Used 4CT Feedback Request -- Bellevue WA & Deerfield Beach FL

[whitex]

And since she now gets to have a nice EV, shouldn't *I* get to have one also?
See, only fair!

And while she got a brand new one, you only got a used one. So she still ends up with the youngest car.

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[Jonathan S.]

Excellent point: just look at me, saving 29% off of MSRP by buying someone else's old unwanted car!

 

[whitex]

Excellent point: just look at me, saving 29% off of MSRP by buying someone else's old unwanted car!

Actually, you should recalculate the percentage discount by comparing against MSRP from current configurator (which is the price for current new orders). That is in fact what you saved vs. buying new.

If you want help with rationalization however, in order to get electronic steering column (so you and your wife can drive the car without having to adjust the steering wheel position manually whenever you switch), you'd have to spec out a GTS if willing to live with ST, a Turbo if you must have CT. So technically, if you wanted to buy a new Taycan with every single option that the one you bought has, you'd have to probably pay over $200K (and be willing to live with the extra things which come with it, but that's a sacrifice you'd be willing to make I'm sure ).

Rationalizations aside, I think you ended up getting a pretty good deal.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Excellent point: so that now makes the discount 33% compared to current MSRP!
(Steering column might be hard to justify, since we keep that the same in the i4, even though the seat adjustment is pretty wild when we swap the BMW ID. Then again, she might not know the i4 has a steering column adjustment, and it's manual, so I probably won't raise that point.)

Meanwhile, good thing I was planning to drive home for delivery, since now I have to testify in deposition on Sep 5 or 6.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Good progress on all fronts:

1. I am now officially the owner (of a car that I have never seen in person, and that is at the other end of the width of the North American continent).
2. Car is insured with USAA.
3. Fellow forum member R.S. will have the dealer swap his 20" and my 21" tomorrow morning.
4. Dealer can't find front license plate bracket, Porsche dealer across the street has no knowledge of it, but no big deal, since I like the Sto N Sho solution anyway.
5. Road Runner Auto Transport is booked for Friday. (Any earlier would not have enough lead time.)
6. All emergency items are now ordered: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/recs-for-scissor-jack-and-other-emergency-items.16945/ ... with the one exception of the jack, since I'll wait to see how my Modern Spare jack fits into the lift point (as I really like its ratchet action).
7. The one minor hiccup is that I might have to wait awhile to register the car in Massachusetts (and hence to drive it anywhere, except up & down my driveway!) since the title has to be reissued by WA with the lien paid off, which could take ... awhile. (Dealer: "Fortunately, every state allows temporary plates." Me: "Unfortunately, every state except for Massachusetts.") But, I can survive that, kind of like buying ski gear in the off season, and having to drool over it for awhile before using it!

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

The one minor hiccup is that I might have to wait awhile to register the car in Massachusetts (and hence to drive it anywhere, except up & down my driveway!) since the title has to be reissued by WA with the lien paid off, which could take ... awhile. (Dealer: "Fortunately, every state allows temporary plates." Me: "Unfortunately, every state except for Massachusetts.") But, I can survive that, kind of like buying ski gear in the off season, and having to drool over it for awhile before using it!

Bitte was? MA does not issue temporary license plates? WTAF.. But anyway, it'd be WA issuing a temporary license "plate", so have the selling dealer include one in the sale. They'll collect sales/registration tax, but will remit to your state when you register it at home. It's preposterous that you'd be barred for driving something you have paid for while the bureaucracy of 2 different states reconcile titles.. (And, for the nth time, you should have driven it.. ?)

Incidentally, I was just browsing skis. The consolation is that I had to wait for the car far longer than I'll wait to use gear bought in the off season..

 

[Jonathan S.]

^ MA is notorious for the lack of temp plates. Classic example of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
... since it benefits MA car dealers by discouraging out-of-state purchases and used private sales.

And looks like WA dealer temp tags won't work for me:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=308-56a-420​

(10) The dealer temporary license plate will not be issued:​

(d) For out-of-state residents unless Washington registration is intentionally being obtained.​

​

That also means though I would not have been able to drive home with it, since I would have needed to fly out there with MA plates in hand.
(I took the train down once to PA with the plates in my laptop briefcase, checking many many times that I really had remembered to bring them with me!)

Careful there on letting on that you're browsing skis, as I might start pressuring you to buy far more than originally intended!

 

[whitex]

Meanwhile, good thing I was planning to drive home for delivery, since now I have to testify in deposition on Sep 5 or 6.

Come on, maybe she won't take it that badly. ?

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

And looks like WA dealer temp tags won't work for me:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=308-56a-420​

(10) The dealer temporary license plate will not be issued:​

(d) For out-of-state residents unless Washington registration is intentionally being obtained.​

​

That also means though I would not have been able to drive home with it, since I would have needed to fly out there with MA plates in hand.
(I took the train down once to PA with the plates in my laptop briefcase, checking many many times that I really had remembered to bring them with me!)

The link you quoted referred to Delivery of vehicle on dealer temporary license plate.
That is, a plate issued to the dealer ('dlr' lettering on the side) which may be used for different vehicles.

It's surprisingly difficult to find info on the WA DoL site, but it's most certainly possible to get a temporary license plate for transfer out of state.

Careful there on letting on that you're browsing skis, as I might start pressuring you to buy far more than originally intended!

I am definitely not sharing my spreadsheet. Besides, the possible combinations of options and packages on skis are fairly limited .

 

[whitex]

1. The one minor hiccup is that I might have to wait awhile to register the car in Massachusetts (and hence to drive it anywhere, except up & down my driveway!) since the title has to be reissued by WA with the lien paid off, which could take ... awhile. (Dealer: "Fortunately, every state allows temporary plates." Me: "Unfortunately, every state except for Massachusetts.") But, I can survive that, kind of like buying ski gear in the off season, and having to drool over it for awhile before using it!

Are you sure a temporary plate from WA won't work (perhaps it's not a dealer plate since the non-dealers in WA can buy one)? Temporary WA plate while WA DOL is processing your sale, with a bill of sale on you to prove you didn't steal it. I drove across the country and then a few days in WA on temporary SC plates (or what was left of them actually, turns out they were not made to last 3,500 miles). Or get a temporary plate in NH next door perhaps, they must allow those in MA or people from NH would not be allowed in MA with their new cars.

 

[whitex]

It's surprisingly difficult to find info on the WA DoL site, but it's most certainly possible to get a temporary license plate for transfer out of state.

You can do it at the WA DOL licensing office. I inquired about it when registering the Taycan and at the time it was looking like I was going to sell my Model S to an out of state buyer, they told me it's easy and ~$30 IIRC. I eventually sold it in WA, so never went through with it, but they made it sounds simple.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

You can do it at the WA DOL licensing office. I inquired about it when registering the Taycan and at the time it was looking like I was going to sell my Model S to an out of state buyer, they told me it's easy and ~$30 IIRC. I eventually sold it in WA, so never went through with it, but they made it sounds simple.

Definitely possible, but finding this info is beyond my patience for the topic various arcane ways WA lists licensing legislation.
@Jonathan S. Chapter 308-97 WAC: (or similar). But again, ask your dealer to prep the car as if it was bought from out of state and driven off the lot.

(edited for clarity)

 

[Jonathan S.]

Okay, thanks, now I get it -- WA can indeed issue temporary license plates to me as an out-of-state buyer, and those temp tags would be recognized as valid in MA for anyone except ...
... a resident of MA:

https://www.demsure.com/blog/rmv-on-temporary-plates​

I have a bad feeling that I might not be driving my 4CT until October: WA dealers can take up to 45 days to issue a title, and after that 45-day period ... well, I don't think the buyer has much recourse even after that.
Perhaps the WA DOL will move quickly and reissue a lien-free title, but if not, I don't have a legally drivable car.
(Unless I try to register it with my in-laws in NH, hah -- and I'd save 6.25% in sales tax, Live Free Or Die!)
I could have sworn the CarFax (which I neglected to download, and the AutoTrader link no longer works, although I'll request it from the dealer) included an entry for the title being reissued regarding a lien, but perhaps that was a refinancing not a payoff.
Even if that process was started with the car was traded in at around August 8, the DOJ website mentions 8-10 weeks for reissuing a title. That could put me even all the way into November?!?
I remember reading all those stories of frustrated Carvana buyers, but at least they got to drive their cars (even if in states other than Mass).

If only this could be as simple as my upcoming deposition testimony on financial economic analysis.
(At least I think that's what it is, not divorce proceedings already!)

Then again, in a graduate school seminar (co-taught by a Harvard economist and an adjunct law school professor who was a federal appellate court judge at the time and would then become Supreme Court Justice Breyer), for one class session we had the Mass insurance commissioner (or some such title) and the two top deputies (ditto re title) to discuss how auto insurance works in Mass.
Especially since I was planning to live in MA after finishing my degree, I read all the material very carefully beforehand.
At the end of the two-hour seminar, based on the discussion between the two professors and the three people running state insurance, I had absolutely no idea how car insurance works in Mass.
(And now over three decades later...)

 

[whitex]

Okay, thanks, now I get it -- WA can indeed issue temporary license plates to me as an out-of-state buyer, and those temp tags would be recognized as valid in MA for anyone except ...
... a resident of MA:

https://www.demsure.com/blog/rmv-on-temporary-plates​

I have a bad feeling that I might not be driving my 4CT until October: WA dealers can take up to 45 days to issue a title, and after that 45-day period ... well, I don't think the buyer has much recourse even after that.
Perhaps the WA DOL will move quickly and reissue a lien-free title, but if not, I don't have a legally drivable car.

I don't think you need to have WA DOL issue a clean title. All you might nees is is the original title (with the lien) and signed by the bank + lien release letter from said bank. New title adds time. Whenever I paid off my cars, the bank would send me the original title with the lien release, and dealers took that as equivalent of clean title. On one of those I took it into the DOL, paid them $30 and they sent me a new clean title a month later. Mind you, I never tried this across states.

 

[whitex]

Then again, in a graduate school seminar (co-taught by a Harvard economist and an adjunct law school professor who was a federal appellate court judge at the time and would then become Supreme Court Justice Breyer), for one class session we had the Mass insurance commissioner (or some such title) and the two top deputies (ditto re title) to discuss how auto insurance works in Mass.
Especially since I was planning to live in MA after finishing my degree, I read all the material very carefully beforehand.
At the end of the two-hour seminar, based on the discussion between the two professors and the three people running state insurance, I had absolutely no idea how car insurance works in Mass.
(And now over three decades later...)

I worked in MA once, but I lived in NH. Having lived in a few states and few countries, I think NH was my favorite. My only interaction with MA government was once on income tax issues, they lost my W2 for some reason (back then you had to mail it in), but overall it was not horrible, we resolved the issue quickly by me sending in another copy.

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