Replacement charger recommendation?

[U55rush]

Hi,

new to forum…. I am taking delivery of a 2023 4s CT this week and just found that it won’t include a mobile charger due to the recent recall. The remedy is for me to buy a replacement and wait for reimbursement.

this is my first EV and I just planned on Level one charging overnight. I can charge at work and there is a rapid charger less than 5 miles from my house. My commute is less than 30 miles round trip.

I don’t need the latest/greatest as it will be returned at the end of the lease.

any quick recommendations??

Thanks in advance.

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[Tooney]

I use these and like them:
--Wallbox Pulsar Plus 40amp plug-in wall-mounted
--J+(Juice) Booster 2 40amp plug-in portable

Links about home charging

 

[daveo4EV]

Hi,

new to forum…. I am taking delivery of a 2023 4s CT this week and just found that it won’t include a mobile charger due to the recent recall. The remedy is for me to buy a replacement and wait for reimbursement.

this is my first EV and I just planned on Level one charging overnight. I can charge at work and there is a rapid charger less than 5 miles from my house. My commute is less than 30 miles round trip.

I don’t need the latest/greatest as it will be returned at the end of the lease.

any quick recommendations??

Thanks in advance.

the top 5 choices in random order are (other wise I always list the same two first).

• Wallbox
• ChargePoint Flex
• Porsche Wall Charger
• Tesla Universal Wall Charge
• Juicebox

all of these (and others) will work great!

these chargers are not in fact chargers -they are glorified extension cords to provide raw AC power to the vehicle - _ALL_ EV's have onboard chargers that take raw-ac power and convert it to DC power to charge the battery - the 5 chargers listed above (and others) are "universal" and provide raw AC power to any North American EV/PHEV and are completely compatible with your upcoming Taycan and any future EV/PHEV you may purchase.

this is actually a good thing - because the included Porsche EV charger(s) has a history and it's not good.

 

[daveo4EV]

this is my first EV and I just planned on Level one charging overnight. I can charge at work and there is a rapid charger less than 5 miles from my house. My commute is less than 30 miles round trip.

Porsche does not recommend using L1 chargers on a daily basis…and beside's it's painful slow.

Recommend you either get an L2 charger - or live off "the land" with public/work charging…as you noted.

see Porsche's official recommendations here:

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...-related-porsche-ntsb-article-analysis.13902/
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10222530-0001.pdf

and I quote from Porsche's document:

General Precautions on (125V) Supply Cable Use
The “domestic” (125V) supply cable is provided for emergency use only, and should not be used by customers for daily home charging. Please discuss installation and use of a suitable 250V circuit with all customers.

also if you get a 240V NEMA 14-50/6-50 socket installed - please follow their recommendations for a commercial quality industrial Hubble NEMA socket (see the same document for the actual part numbers Porsche recommends).

as a long time EV owner (since 2011) I can't with any good intentions recommend that someone take on EV ownership with only an L1 charger - but you can do you, but it always confuses me when someone wants to own an EV and then not plan for appropriate home charging infrastructure,

 

[daveo4EV]

_BUT_ if you _MUST_ have a L1 mobile charger - probably the Tesla Universal Mobile Charger Gen2 + an NCAS Adapter (like TeslaTap or others) is about the best mobile EV Charger (EVSE)…

• it's both L1/L2 - comes with an L1/L2 power supply adapter
• it's light
• it's small
• it's high quality
• it's affordable
• it's flexible (a complete range of NEMA adapters are available)
• it's reliable
• it does not often overheat (does it ever?)

and if your plan is to "live off the land" using other people's chargers you're going to want a Tesla Tap or equivlant anyways to maximize your ability to use any charger you can find (J-1772 or Tesla Destination chargers).

if an L1 Mobile EVSE is what you're after - Tesla UMC Gen2 is a top choice (but requires a Tesla Tap or equivalent)

https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector
https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Max-...3567432&sprefix=tesla+tap,aps,172&sr=8-9&th=1

 

[User0]

Bumping this old thread so is the 14-30 outlet considered l2?

Also want to make sure is it safe to be charging with Tesla charge charging cables and the j11172 adapter?

 

[whitex]

Bumping this old thread so is the 14-30 outlet considered l2?

Yes it is L2. 30A socket, so you will draw 24A (80%) at 240V, that is 5.76KW. Your Taycan will show ~5.1KW as that is what will be making it into your battery. 0-100% charge time ~18hrs, though your daily is likely going to be much less than 100% charge.

Also want to make sure is it safe to be charging with Tesla charge charging cables and the j11172 adapter?

As long as you get a good quality J1772 adapter, you're set. Just make sure your Tesla Mobile Connector has an OEM Tesla NEMA 14-30 cable, rather than some NEMA 14-30 to NEMA-14-50 adapter off the internet fitted to a Tesla NEMA 14-50 cable. That Tesla cable tells the Tesla Mobile connector that it is plugged in to a 30A plug, so that only 24A is made available to the Taycan (otherwise Taycan will try to draw too much current, which will blow your fuses). This Tesla cable also has a thermal sensor built in, should your socket overheat due to bad wiring or loose connections. Last but not least, make sure that the NEMA 14-30 plug you have is up to code and has a 30A (or higher) capacity wiring with a 30A (but not higher) breaker.

If in doubt, call an electrician to do a quick once over.

 

[r553]

I have a Juice Box, so far so good. I await the recall on my Porsche charger....

 

[User0]

Yes it is L2. 30A socket, so you will draw 24A (80%) at 240V, that is 5.76KW. Your Taycan will show ~5.1KW as that is what will be making it into your battery. 0-100% charge time ~18hrs, though your daily is likely going to be much less than 100% charge.

As long as you get a good quality J1772 adapter, you're set. Just make sure your Tesla Mobile Connector has an OEM Tesla NEMA 14-30 cable, rather than some NEMA 14-30 to NEMA-14-50 adapter off the internet fitted to a Tesla NEMA 14-50 cable. That Tesla cable tells the Tesla Mobile connector that it is plugged in to a 30A plug, so that only 24A is made available to the Taycan (otherwise Taycan will try to draw too much current, which will blow your fuses). This Tesla cable also has a thermal sensor built in, should your socket overheat due to bad wiring or loose connections. Last but not least, make sure that the NEMA 14-30 plug you have is up to code and has a 30A (or higher) capacity wiring with a 30A (but not higher) breaker.

If in doubt, call an electrician to do a quick once over.

thank you for the advice and i appreciate the detailed write up! based on my research, it seems lectron is a reputable brand for the adapter.. do you have any input on that?

 

[whitex]

thank you for the advice and i appreciate the detailed write up! based on my research, it seems lectron is a reputable brand for the adapter.. do you have any input on that?

If this is for a garage I would consider a permanent installation of Tesla Universal Wall Connector. You can configure it to run on 30A circuit, either equip it with a NEMA 14-30 plug, or just hardwire it (which would be my recommendation, just replace the NEMA 14-30 with a junction box, less possible issues with GFCI or overheating). You could install a new 60A circuit if you want to go a little above that - 60A breaker, allows Taycan to draw 48A, so 11.5KW - maximum a standard Taycan can use. The Tesla Universal Wall Connector has both NACS and J1772 already built in, so no need for any additional adapters. It will serve your current and future EVs, even charge any of your guest's EV's if you so desire. It also supports simple scaling up, i.e. adding new chargers to the same circuit and then sharing the current between them (if you ever want a second EV in your garage).

But that's just my personal preference, almost any brand will be better than the Porsche PMC+ or PMCC which come with Taycan. You should pick the one which has the features you want, such as detailed analytics software, integration with Alexa or other home assistants - it's a purely personal preference, your Taycan will not care. Different people like different features, I like my appliances to just reliably work, I don't want to talk to my EV charger

 

[User0]

If this is for a garage I would consider a permanent installation of Tesla Universal Wall Connector. You can configure it to run on 30A circuit, either equip it with a NEMA 14-30 plug, or just hardwire it (which would be my recommendation, just replace the NEMA 14-30 with a junction box, less possible issues with GFCI or overheating). You could install a new 60A circuit if you want to go a little above that - 60A breaker, allows Taycan to draw 48A, so 11.5KW - maximum a standard Taycan can use. The Tesla Universal Wall Connector has both NACS and J1772 already built in, so no need for any additional adapters. It will serve your current and future EVs, even charge any of your guest's EV's if you so desire. It also supports simple scaling up, i.e. adding new chargers to the same circuit and then sharing the current between them (if you ever want a second EV in your garage).

But that's just my personal preference, almost any brand will be better than the Porsche PMC+ or PMCC which come with Taycan. You should pick the one which has the features you want, such as detailed analytics software, integration with Alexa or other home assistants - it's a purely personal preference, your Taycan will not care. Different people like different features, I like my appliances to just reliably work, I don't want to talk to my EV charger

sorry for the delay I didn’t get a notification - sounds good I’m going to look into getting that setup. So if I understand correctly the Tesla universal wall connector along with a 60a circuit will allow for more power to flow to the Taycan and a less chance of it overheating. If I don’t mind a slower charge can’t I just use the tesla mobile connector with the Tesla nema 14-30 adapter?https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector

 

[whitex]

If I don’t mind a slower charge can’t I just use the tesla mobile connector with the Tesla nema 14-30 adapter?https://shop.tesla.com/product/mobile-connector

You absolutely can, though you will need a J1772 adapter (the universal wall connector has one built in). If you go that route, make sure you get the correct NEMA 14-30 pigtail for the mobile connector to tell it to limit the advertised current to 24A. Also make sure the NEMA socket is in good shape, especially if it's some decades old installation predating your home ownership.

 

[User0]

You absolutely can, though you will need a J1772 adapter (the universal wall connector has one built in). If you go that route, make sure you get the correct NEMA 14-30 pigtail for the mobile connector to tell it to limit the advertised current to 24A. Also make sure the NEMA socket is in good shape, especially if it's some decades old installation predating your home ownership.

Awesome I will go that route and i will be ordering the adapter straight from tesla. I really appreciate your guidance on this!

https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters

 

[whitex]

Awesome I will go that route and i will be ordering the adapter straight from tesla. I really appreciate your guidance on this!

https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters

Do you already have an adapter which will let you AC charge from Tesla connector? Tesla does not sell those (except the built in one in the universal wall connector). There are some inexpensive ones (as low as $30 on a good sale for a off-brand 80A adapter) ranging to TeslaTap at $300+. If only charging at home on 30A, a 30A or higher adapter will do (typically 32A or 40A ar the low end) but if planning to use it with Tesla destination chargers outside of your home, get one that matches your Tayan’s capabilities (48A for standard Taycan, 80A for Taycan with 19.2KW upgrade).

 

[Marc Wester]

I use this:
VDLPOWEREU Chargeur Voiture... https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0CQP99M9F?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Since we’re in France, I can charge at 3.3 kWh from a standard wall outlet. In the US it will be slower but 30 mi. worth could be done overnight.

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