The Chinese Xiaomi SU7, which mimics Porsche’s Taycan.

[Mikegrr]

Have you folks seen this car. It's half price of the Taycan in China and is a almost a direct clone. Knocking Porsche out of China. I don't think it's available outside China.
https://www.mi.com/global/discover/article?id=3263

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[Flying ace]

Yeah we're all aware of the fake wannabe whereby airbags is a function on demand. Good luck to the driver in a crash!

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...30-000-vehicles-in-nine-months-article.23379/

 

[Vercingetorix]

Have you folks seen this car. It's half price of the Taycan in China and is a almost a direct clone. Knocking Porsche out of China. I don't think it's available outside China.
https://www.mi.com/global/discover/article?id=3263

I doubt any other country but China would allow it.

 

[chun]

I doubt any other country but China would allow it.

It’s coming to EU in 2025

 

[chun]

Have you folks seen this car. It's half price of the Taycan in China and is a almost a direct clone. Knocking Porsche out of China. I don't think it's available outside China.
https://www.mi.com/global/discover/article?id=3263

I would be careful about discussing other brands on this forum, this community is plagued by men child insecure about their ownership of an EV with the badge of porsche. They are also grossly spreading misinformation in regards to one particular crash on a track

The car is looked at favorably by reviewers and the CEO of ford owns one and loves it. It is built similar to German cars, by sourcing parts and components from hundreds of suppliers, not a lot of vertical integration

 

[BjörnfromHamburg]

Always a bit sad to see, how good design is radically copied by Chinese brands.
The SU7 is no a very attractive copy but still having very much in common with the Taycan.

I'm very curious to see the SU7 coming to German market and how it will do.
If it is a good built and balanced car, it will for sure find it's buyers.
Who knows, maybe China's government drives the car world into a war of state-subventions.
Whoever gives the most to the car industry, will rule the world one day.

 

[chun]

Who knows, maybe China's government drives the car world into a war of state-subventions.
Whoever gives the most to the car industry, will rule the world one day.

As far as public information goes / is avaliable, China is not outspending europe/germany/usa in terms of state-subventions.
German brands, just like chinese ones, got special deals for the ground on which their factories rest, and subventions and investments for technology development.

The big difference is what's basically a monopoly on battery rare materials, battery manufacturing and battery know-how. Allowing for the price to go down, especially when you are producing as many cars as china is (34% of all cars produced in 2024 where chinese cars), driving prices down even more.

Another key difference is that China have a very well integrated pipeline for producing anything, so they can get any product to market within 1 years of it being just a design. That is something no other economy has.

And the last big advantage of China is that all of their big industries are very well integrated with eachother: https://www.high-capacity.com/p/chinas-overlapping-tech-industrial

 

[BjörnfromHamburg]

A lot of deal-breakers, different economies will have to cope with than.
I am quite happy, not working in an industry, that has to deal with that.

 

[kort]

Always a bit sad to see, how good design is radically copied by Chinese brands.

the chinese stealing technology and producing knock offs? who'd have thunk it?

 

[Mikegrr]

I wonder if this is relevant. WSJ says

Luxury’s luster is fading in China.​

A sluggish economy, the austere political mood and the feeling among some consumers that pricey brands are passé have combined to end the boom that propelled China’s luxury industry in recent years.​

 

[RaidenTsao]

Always a bit sad to see, how good design is radically copied by Chinese brands.
The SU7 is no a very attractive copy but still having very much in common with the Taycan.

I'm very curious to see the SU7 coming to German market and how it will do.
If it is a good built and balanced car, it will for sure find it's buyers.
Who knows, maybe China's government drives the car world into a war of state-subventions.
Whoever gives the most to the car industry, will rule the world one day.

I think these copied designs are largely influenced by designer's personal signiture. Chinese brands have moved to a new era of "copying" where they hire internationally known designers to lead new model design. As a result, personal signature design features appear in those new cars.
Few examples, SU7 design is heavily influenced by Chris Bangle, who works as a design consultant for the entire car division. Meanwhile, Hongqi's HS9 design is led by Giles Taylor, who was formerly head of design at Rolls-Royce.

 

[BjörnfromHamburg]

Few examples, SU7 design is heavily influenced by Chris Bangle

Bimmer-Bangle! There he is. Was wondering what his new design-crimes would be.

 

[Grim]

Apparently it has outsold Tesla Model 3 in China since launching in April - over 160,000 units sold!

I bet the tech is really good but styling is really not to my taste - it looks like a knock off where all the bits just don’t quite hang together as a cohesive design. While I l’ve no idea of the price I’m guessing it’s competing with the Tesla Model 3 and not the Taycan when it comes to price / market.

The Su name makes me think it’s a Russian fighter plane.

 

[whitex]

Always a bit sad to see, how good design is radically copied by Chinese brands.
The SU7 is no a very attractive copy but still having very much in common with the Taycan.

Not sure what parts of the design you think were copied, other than general external esthetics. SU7 has way different UX, higher range (more efficient), and has a generally different architecture. A lot of cars look alike over time, as people tend to all like similar things. This is why you can typically say "Oh, this looks like a car from the 1950's, or from the 1980's, or form 2020's". As cars come out, designers get influenced by seeing them, then their designs end up borrowing from what they liked. No company ever hires a car designer who has never in their life seen a single car, it would probably not be a good idea in the first place.

 

[snstevens]

Honestly I'm not impressed. Here's why --

• Fresh Design Thinking -- While I dislike the nearly complete external copy of the Taycan on principal, I love seeing fresh takes on existing concepts, or new out-of-the-box concepts like Mission-E. The SU7 is neither of these.
• Software and Servers -- I would never own a car running Chinese developed software allowing for God-only-knows what kind of monitoring of my driving and location information. I understand if you feel differently, but "Hey!" I'm not on TicTok for that very reason.
• Safety -- While I am aware the Chinese automakers are doing a better job with crash safety, the video showing a crash with no airbag release, and a broken seat was clearly a case of a mis-designed braking system. While that system might be "in spec" for a Chinese driver on closely monitored roadways, it should never have been used on a high performance car.

YMMV of course...

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