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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...ht-a-half-price-porsche-taycan-cross-turismo/

Matt is contributor at Road & Track and produces content for Smoking Tire on youtube. Matt has video review for a RWD, 4S, 4S CT, preproduction GTS ST, Turbo S and Turbo GT amongst doing a road test

A month ago he mentioned in an unrelated car review that he purchased a preowned Taycan. Here it is:

Porsche Taycan Article - Matt Farah bought a preowned Taycan 4 CT 1739914239578-3m



Many people spend New Year's Eve enjoying overpriced experiences at bars and restaurants, paying five or even 10 times normal rates for the exact same thing but with sparklers. Not me. I said farewell to '24 by buying a stupid car from far away to save money, then driving it all the way home.

For the past year my wife and I have been daily-driving a 1991 Bentley Turbo R. But as fun as that has been, for the last few months I have really been missing having an EV. For Los Angeles's warm, traffic-filled streets and stop-go traffic, EVs make total sense—and certainly for residents with a Level 2 charger at home.

I'll update you on the total costs of driving a 33-year-old Bentley for 12 months soon. But, as I contemplated what to buy next, I noticed that the Porsche Taycan experiences depreciation in a way that reflects the greater market forces acting on the EV industry as a whole—definitely not on its merits as a quality automobile. The realization dawned that a well-chosen Taycan could provide a one-stop solution to my three-pronged problem: wanting to drive an EV, to have an interesting car, and also to buy something I would not be able to afford new.

First I rented a Taycan through Turo for a few days to let my wife get some seat time and to check out how it had held up under the enhanced wear and tear of working as a rental. That was enough to commit to the general idea of purchasing one. As is the case with most of our family car purchases, the specifics would be left up to me. But my better half made one limiting rule: It would need to be a wagon.

I couldn't disagree—not only is the long roof Taycan Cross Turismo better looking than the sedan, it features more rear-seat room, better rear visibility, tons more usable cargo space, and comes standard with the long-range battery, AWD, and height-adjustable air suspension. In the used market, the premium for a Cross Turismo against a same-year rear-wheel-drive base model variant is between $10,000 and $12,000.

I need to add a quick sidebar here: If you do want the sedan, then the base, rear-wheel-drive Taycan is a crazy good value. It's basically an electric, four-door Cayman, and it might be the best used buy in the entire Porsche range right now, with $50,000 enough to buy a low-mile example in a good color.

But I needed a Cross Turismo. So I mounted an online search for the cheapest examples in the country and found a suitable candidate almost immediately. It's a 2022 Taycan 4 Cross Turismo, fresh off lease with all of the standard features, plus 18-way adjustable seats, rear-axle steering, co-driver screen, Bose stereo, and the full extended two-tone leather interior. It was also in Detroit—so around 2300 miles from my house—but I will tell you about the journey in another story.

When new, this Cross Turismo had an MSRP of $139,000 as optioned, plus tax. Two and a half years, and 26,000 miles later, I sent a wire for $64,800, plus tax—just 47 percent of the car's original value. This car came with another huge bonus thanks to Porsche's Certified Pre-Owned warranty: three years of unlimited-mile, bumper-to-bumper coverage, with the option to extend this to a fourth year for $2700.

Was it perfect? No, and some cosmetic issues contributed to the low price. There was a six-inch scratch on the front bumper, some rock chips, and some of the black plastic trim had faded. The gray leather on the driver's seat was also a little dingy, I presume from the first owner's dark suit pants. All of these issues would later be remedied by my team at Westside Collector Car Storage and some Ammo Reflex ceramic coating. The car is now back up to 99 percent cosmetically.

It certainly doesn't feel less than half as good as a brand-new example. The 18-way seats are phenomenal, and the driving position is low, with the view forward framed between the fenders as it should be in a Porsche sports car. The Cross Turismo gets standard air suspension, so it feels more like a small Panamera than a big Cayman, if that makes sense. I would never have paid for the optional passenger display screen in a new car, but it is actually brilliant for road-tripping—I can leave the Porsche route planner showing while using Waze or Google Maps on the main display at the same time. (I don't believe you can do this on the facelifted Taycan, which has an active filter so the driver can't see the passenger screen.)


The active lane centering is far from perfect, but it did relieve the tension in my hands and wrists over hours and hours of monotonous adaptive-cruise-control driving, mostly at 74 mph to maximize range.

There were some hiccups: a headlight error warning, when no error existed in practice. I also encountered two phantom braking incidents when the ADAS detected something that wasn't there and dropped the anchors. Several times I was warned to take over driving when ADAS was disabled, and twice a pop-up informed me that the automatic emergency braking was unavailable due to dirty sensors. In fairness, this was in the Midwest in wintry conditions.

I have already booked an appointment with my local Porsche dealer for some open recalls. I'm going to get a new portable charging cable, despite never having used the one that comes with the car, and there will be software updates for a variety of systems, which may resolve the ADAS issues. The quality of paint, bodywork, wheels, and interior are all tip-top.

I am really looking forward to using this car for the next few years and seeing how it holds up. Is the Taycan the Porsche of EVs, the EV of Porsches, or both? How much use will I get from the unlimited-mileage warranty? And, the big question, how much will the thing be worth when I'm done with it?

So that's two years in a row starting January with a new and potentially ruinously expensive car purchase. One more will make it a fully fledged tradition. But, for me, this is a better way to start the year than wearing a party hat at an overpriced dinner. Or, even worse, by staying home and doing nothing at all. Wish me luck!
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What wheels are those? Look like a sick pair of 20"

They don't seem to be Taycan wheels, at least none that i've seen.
 
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What wheels are those? Look like a sick pair of 20"

They don't seem to be Taycan wheels, at least none that i've seen.
they were j1.1 Turbo/S Aero CT wheels and may have been base Turbo CT wheels with no upcharge. There were two 20 inch aero designs that were offered exclusively on the CT. I feel like they're pretty common on Turbo CTs that I've seen here in the US,

Page 37 of the pdf shows the two styles:
https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Porsche-Taycan-2021-INT.pdf

These wheels styles were only for the CT:
Porsche Taycan Article - Matt Farah bought a preowned Taycan 4 CT 1739917292539-gu




https://shop.4porsche.com/collectio...can-turbo-aero-design-winter-set-silver-black
Porsche Taycan Article - Matt Farah bought a preowned Taycan 4 CT 1739916766752-z7




Porsche Taycan Article - Matt Farah bought a preowned Taycan 4 CT 1739916750908-gs
 
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According to my Monroney, they are listed as "20" Taycan Turbo Design Wheels".
 


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i stopped reading here;
what an opinionated SOB.
it's an opinion but it's a common opinion amongst car and Taycan enthusiasts ? and reflected in the pricing of the car in the used market.

Anyways, I have an opinion that his particular CT is not attractive due to the color and option combination, including the wheel design.
 

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I'm pretty sure his plans are to replace the wheels to the HRE Turbo twist.
He is gonna regret his 65k check.. he should have leased it, the car is gonna be worth 40k next year and 30k the year after if the battery survives..
 


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I'm pretty sure his plans are to replace the wheels to the HRE Turbo twist.
He is gonna regret his 65k check.. he should have leased it, the car is gonna be worth 40k next year and 30k the year after if the battery survives..
my bet: depreciation will slow down significantly.
So let's see.

I am enjoying my Taycan as daily and on several roadtrips a year and am gladly willing to pay a price for that.
 

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Nice to see automotive media content creators owning Taycans, rather than forming their published opinions after a week or less in a press loaner.

More longer-term Taycan ownership experiences need to be widely shared.
 

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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...ht-a-half-price-porsche-taycan-cross-turismo/

Matt is contributor at Road & Track and produces content for Smoking Tire on youtube. Matt has video review for a RWD, 4S, 4S CT, preproduction GTS ST, Turbo S and Turbo GT amongst doing a road test

A month ago he mentioned in an unrelated car review that he purchased a preowned Taycan. Here it is:

1739914239578-3m.webp



Many people spend New Year's Eve enjoying overpriced experiences at bars and restaurants, paying five or even 10 times normal rates for the exact same thing but with sparklers. Not me. I said farewell to '24 by buying a stupid car from far away to save money, then driving it all the way home.

For the past year my wife and I have been daily-driving a 1991 Bentley Turbo R. But as fun as that has been, for the last few months I have really been missing having an EV. For Los Angeles's warm, traffic-filled streets and stop-go traffic, EVs make total sense—and certainly for residents with a Level 2 charger at home.

I'll update you on the total costs of driving a 33-year-old Bentley for 12 months soon. But, as I contemplated what to buy next, I noticed that the Porsche Taycan experiences depreciation in a way that reflects the greater market forces acting on the EV industry as a whole—definitely not on its merits as a quality automobile. The realization dawned that a well-chosen Taycan could provide a one-stop solution to my three-pronged problem: wanting to drive an EV, to have an interesting car, and also to buy something I would not be able to afford new.

First I rented a Taycan through Turo for a few days to let my wife get some seat time and to check out how it had held up under the enhanced wear and tear of working as a rental. That was enough to commit to the general idea of purchasing one. As is the case with most of our family car purchases, the specifics would be left up to me. But my better half made one limiting rule: It would need to be a wagon.

I couldn't disagree—not only is the long roof Taycan Cross Turismo better looking than the sedan, it features more rear-seat room, better rear visibility, tons more usable cargo space, and comes standard with the long-range battery, AWD, and height-adjustable air suspension. In the used market, the premium for a Cross Turismo against a same-year rear-wheel-drive base model variant is between $10,000 and $12,000.

I need to add a quick sidebar here: If you do want the sedan, then the base, rear-wheel-drive Taycan is a crazy good value. It's basically an electric, four-door Cayman, and it might be the best used buy in the entire Porsche range right now, with $50,000 enough to buy a low-mile example in a good color.

But I needed a Cross Turismo. So I mounted an online search for the cheapest examples in the country and found a suitable candidate almost immediately. It's a 2022 Taycan 4 Cross Turismo, fresh off lease with all of the standard features, plus 18-way adjustable seats, rear-axle steering, co-driver screen, Bose stereo, and the full extended two-tone leather interior. It was also in Detroit—so around 2300 miles from my house—but I will tell you about the journey in another story.

When new, this Cross Turismo had an MSRP of $139,000 as optioned, plus tax. Two and a half years, and 26,000 miles later, I sent a wire for $64,800, plus tax—just 47 percent of the car's original value. This car came with another huge bonus thanks to Porsche's Certified Pre-Owned warranty: three years of unlimited-mile, bumper-to-bumper coverage, with the option to extend this to a fourth year for $2700.

Was it perfect? No, and some cosmetic issues contributed to the low price. There was a six-inch scratch on the front bumper, some rock chips, and some of the black plastic trim had faded. The gray leather on the driver's seat was also a little dingy, I presume from the first owner's dark suit pants. All of these issues would later be remedied by my team at Westside Collector Car Storage and some Ammo Reflex ceramic coating. The car is now back up to 99 percent cosmetically.

It certainly doesn't feel less than half as good as a brand-new example. The 18-way seats are phenomenal, and the driving position is low, with the view forward framed between the fenders as it should be in a Porsche sports car. The Cross Turismo gets standard air suspension, so it feels more like a small Panamera than a big Cayman, if that makes sense. I would never have paid for the optional passenger display screen in a new car, but it is actually brilliant for road-tripping—I can leave the Porsche route planner showing while using Waze or Google Maps on the main display at the same time. (I don't believe you can do this on the facelifted Taycan, which has an active filter so the driver can't see the passenger screen.)


The active lane centering is far from perfect, but it did relieve the tension in my hands and wrists over hours and hours of monotonous adaptive-cruise-control driving, mostly at 74 mph to maximize range.

There were some hiccups: a headlight error warning, when no error existed in practice. I also encountered two phantom braking incidents when the ADAS detected something that wasn't there and dropped the anchors. Several times I was warned to take over driving when ADAS was disabled, and twice a pop-up informed me that the automatic emergency braking was unavailable due to dirty sensors. In fairness, this was in the Midwest in wintry conditions.

I have already booked an appointment with my local Porsche dealer for some open recalls. I'm going to get a new portable charging cable, despite never having used the one that comes with the car, and there will be software updates for a variety of systems, which may resolve the ADAS issues. The quality of paint, bodywork, wheels, and interior are all tip-top.

I am really looking forward to using this car for the next few years and seeing how it holds up. Is the Taycan the Porsche of EVs, the EV of Porsches, or both? How much use will I get from the unlimited-mileage warranty? And, the big question, how much will the thing be worth when I'm done with it?

So that's two years in a row starting January with a new and potentially ruinously expensive car purchase. One more will make it a fully fledged tradition. But, for me, this is a better way to start the year than wearing a party hat at an overpriced dinner. Or, even worse, by staying home and doing nothing at all. Wish me luck!
Congrats... good... yup... agree... makes sense - wait. "better looking than the sedan" - Sir, I question your taste and judgement! The world needs fewer SUVs and more wagons, and maybe the CT is good looking by some standards, but BETTER looking it is NOT.
 
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He got a great deal on that CT4 and hit the nail on the head saying the RWD is probably the biggest steal out there right now. That's what drove me to trade in my Cayenne for a CPO base RWD last month, the prices are just too good to pass up with little downside at this point.
 

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The longer-term Taycan ownership experiences are already getting published.
Good.
What I Learned Driving a Porsche Taycan from Detroit to L.A. - Road & Track
Despite the fact that 19 of my 21 visits to DC fast-chargers were seamless and trouble-free, I didn't end the trip with a complete trust in the infrastructure, that any charger will work as reliably as a gas pump. Of the two unsuccessful charge stops, one featured an appropriate alternate just up the road; the other resulted in a stressful reroute in which range dropped to an indicated three miles. I then hooked up at slow Level 2 charging unit for a half-hour to juice up enough to get to the next fast-charger.
The bigger frustration is where charging places tend to be located. Few of the fast-chargers seem to be in the sort of small, quaint towns you might want to explore or have lunch while you're adding electrons. No fewer than 13 of my DC stops were at a Walmart, and six others were fundamentally identical to an extended gas-station experience. Only two were in or near cute town squares.
A bigger hiccup in EV road tripping is, surprisingly, "destination charging" at hotels. Sadly, major booking websites do not accurately reflect the reality on the ground. Of three attempts to spend nights at hotels with EV charging units, all failed. At one, the units didn't work. At another, they were all occupied. At the third, they were Tesla Superchargers, and I didn't have an adapter. Had I begun those three drive days with a full charge and the car preheated from shore power, life would have been much easier. Instead, I had to start with a low battery and do an early-morning charge, which, because the car was cold, went slow.
 
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The longer-term Taycan ownership experiences are already getting published.
Good.
What I Learned Driving a Porsche Taycan from Detroit to L.A. - Road & Track
Despite the fact that 19 of my 21 visits to DC fast-chargers were seamless and trouble-free, I didn't end the trip with a complete trust in the infrastructure, that any charger will work as reliably as a gas pump. Of the two unsuccessful charge stops, one featured an appropriate alternate just up the road; the other resulted in a stressful reroute in which range dropped to an indicated three miles. I then hooked up at slow Level 2 charging unit for a half-hour to juice up enough to get to the next fast-charger.
The bigger frustration is where charging places tend to be located. Few of the fast-chargers seem to be in the sort of small, quaint towns you might want to explore or have lunch while you're adding electrons. No fewer than 13 of my DC stops were at a Walmart, and six others were fundamentally identical to an extended gas-station experience. Only two were in or near cute town squares.
A bigger hiccup in EV road tripping is, surprisingly, "destination charging" at hotels. Sadly, major booking websites do not accurately reflect the reality on the ground. Of three attempts to spend nights at hotels with EV charging units, all failed. At one, the units didn't work. At another, they were all occupied. At the third, they were Tesla Superchargers, and I didn't have an adapter. Had I begun those three drive days with a full charge and the car preheated from shore power, life would have been much easier. Instead, I had to start with a low battery and do an early-morning charge, which, because the car was cold, went slow.
thanks for sharing!

Range is also less important than you might expect if you are a human being with bodily functions. In ideal circumstances, with thoughtful planning, the Taycan will do up to 300 miles. But with no planning, in cold weather, constantly cruising at 74 mph saw me stop to charge for 20 to 30 minutes every 150 to 160 miles. Having a car that forces you to stop so often can be frustrating, but it is definitely better for spinal health than trying to one-hit a long trip.

I've been stating the same thing. Just because your car CAN drive 300-400 miles, doesn't mean a person can physically sit for that long. Range matters at the beginning and ending points of a long distance trip to cut down on 1 or 2 charging stops.

Also, I fault him for not having the Tesla->j1772 adapter. I had it on my delivery road trip. Also recommended is a Level 1 16 amp wall charging unit. Some hotels will just have an outdoor/garage outlet and 8-10 hours should still yield about 10 miles of charge. Also apparent is that he may not have adjusted the charge planner to arriver at destination with more charge.

I agree the Walmart (and other grocery store locations) experience is not premium, but it's better than the gas station experience. Bathrooms are cleaner and you have more variety of snack and beverage items. Though, at least in CA, the charging locations are a bit better locations with more food options in walking distance nearby.

Also note, EA and Walmart has likely cancelled their install agreement. No new EAs are being installed at Walmart locations, and I'm going to guess stations will be phased out as Walmart is looking into installing their own chargers. EA has pivoted towards other grocery store partners and Costco locations.
 
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Experience is so different in the USA, than it is in Europe.
I do several road-trips a year since 2017. Always with destination-chargers that work and sufficient fast-charging infrastructure back in 2017...which massively improved the last few years.
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