New Battery monitoring software update?

[Bennachie]

No, you are not.......

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[W1NGE]

My Porsche dealer has just confirmed - Porsche Connect must be active for ARB7.

Linless you go to the dealership and get the work done there if you see no value in Porsche Connect.

 

[D00notD00d]

Maybe I'm trying to see the bright side but I don't believe that's true. What Porsche will want (need?) to do is limit their financial exposure if things go wrong, however unlikely.



I don't believe either Porsche or DVSA would enforce these conditions (I read them as recommendations) - as you say they make the car unusable for most people. If asking users to limit their charge to 80% (which is good for battery life in any case) reduces the chances of catastrophic events then we all benefit; anyone who needs to charge to 100% should continue to do so in order to use their car in the way intended but if the majority of owners don't charge beyond 80% the exposure to Porsche is limited.

@tophamn - sorry but you’re wrong on both points. Porsche are transferring liability, and neither the charging limit or charging location conditions are only recommendations.

 

[Bennachie]

A case here for expanding the 3 year Connect for free to at least 8 years for J1.1

 

[RudolfTurkeyRWD]

I just had my 60k service yesterday and talked about this SW recall. The dealership told me a quite different story than @chun is telling. I do have good relations with Porsche and this dealership. Last 20 years I had around 25 brand new Porsches and the same amount occasions. I'm part of Sonderwunsch program with three 911's.

We do not have the same batteries as the Jaguars, while most people do think we have LG's we don't - batteries are from other vendors, but assembled at LG. Who are your sources @chun ? Is your information from chatGPT or real? Not trying to attack, but the situation you describe makes the problem way bigger than it is according to Porsche. Not sure if the newsroom articles you share are correct, as those are marketing articles according to the dealership. Your reactions are very personal and with a lot of emotion making me think you are either a troll or someone with the wrong info. Most batteries are actually made in Belgium, Germany and also Poland like LG and are high quality. I had the pleasure of having a visit to the Belgium based plant before ordering my Turbo GT. Porsche is investigating if we endure the same issues as other brands experience with LG. They already are able to detect faulty modules. But this software is to predict faults BEFORE they occur.

@W1NGE does seem to have the SW already as I asked how it was possible and had the privilege to also get the SW before published to other later this quarter.

 

[eddieterry]

I just had my 60k service yesterday and talked about this SW recall. The dealership told me a quite different story than @chun is telling. I do have good relations with Porsche and this dealership. Last 20 years I had around 25 brand new Porsches and the same amount occasions. I'm part of Sonderwunsch program with three 911's.

We do not have the same batteries as the Jaguars, while most people do think we have LG's we don't - batteries are from other vendors, but assembled at LG. Who are your sources @chun ? Is your information from chatGPT or real? Not trying to attack, but the situation you describe makes the problem way bigger than it is according to Porsche. Not sure if the newsroom articles you share are correct, as those are marketing articles according to the dealership. Your reactions are very personal and with a lot of emotion making me think you are either a troll or someone with the wrong info. Most batteries are actually made in Belgium, Germany and also Poland like LG and are high quality. I had the pleasure of having a visit to the Belgium based plant before ordering my Turbo GT. Porsche is investigating if we endure the same issues as other brands experience with LG. They already are able to detect faulty modules. But this software is to predict faults BEFORE they occur.

@W1NGE does seem to have the SW already as I asked how it was possible and had the privilege to also get the SW before published to other later this quarter.

interesting - particularly as you had the software installed as did @Winge.
Be good to get more information on these issues.

 

[Scandinavian]

We do not have the same batteries as the Jaguars, while most people do think we have LG's we don't - batteries are from other vendors, but assembled at LG. Who are your sources @chun ? Is your information from chatGPT or real? Not trying to attack, but the situation you describe makes the problem way bigger than it is according to Porsche. Not sure if the newsroom articles you share are correct, as those are marketing articles according to the dealership.

Well that is some news that LG are not producing the cells. That was stated already during 2020 or 2021. LG Energy solutions provide the cells ….

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...ource-its-batteries-for-the-taycan-from.6063/

There were several articles at that time and it has always been mentioned as LG. The new Macan however is said to have switched to CATL. I have no idea who now produces the cells for J1.2 though.

Perhaps your dealer is mixing things up?

 

[chun]

I just had my 60k service yesterday and talked about this SW recall. The dealership told me a quite different story than @chun is telling. I do have good relations with Porsche and this dealership. Last 20 years I had around 25 brand new Porsches and the same amount occasions. I'm part of Sonderwunsch program with three 911's.

We do not have the same batteries as the Jaguars, while most people do think we have LG's we don't - batteries are from other vendors, but assembled at LG. Who are your sources @chun ? Is your information from chatGPT or real? Not trying to attack, but the situation you describe makes the problem way bigger than it is according to Porsche. Not sure if the newsroom articles you share are correct, as those are marketing articles according to the dealership. Your reactions are very personal and with a lot of emotion making me think you are either a troll or someone with the wrong info. Most batteries are actually made in Belgium, Germany and also Poland like LG and are high quality. I had the pleasure of having a visit to the Belgium based plant before ordering my Turbo GT. Porsche is investigating if we endure the same issues as other brands experience with LG. They already are able to detect faulty modules. But this software is to predict faults BEFORE they occur.

@W1NGE does seem to have the SW already as I asked how it was possible and had the privilege to also get the SW before published to other later this quarter.

What are your sources that Taycan has batteries from anyone besides LG?

In what world would they ship different configurations for batteries: different chemistry, different design, different performance, different capacity? I think your dealer is misinformed. BTW porsche has officially communicated in 2019, 2020, and 2021 that they are and will be using LG chem Poland for the taycan exclusively.

Who makes these batteries in Belgium you speak of?
Who makes these batteries in Germany?

When you are talking about batteries, what are you referring to? The enclosure, which is made in Germany? The inverter, which is made in Belgium? Or the battery modules, which are actually the batteries, made by LG chem in Poland?

You are thinking of battery as the final assembled package, but that’s not what we are talking about when we say battery: we are referring to the battery modules (33 modules) and the cells (12 cells pe module)

It’s interesting that some of you did get the software, that won’t predict defects happening, but will identify defects in the cells, based on a list of known defects, and shut down the module. It is likely a demo software like @Tooney said.

My dealer has called porsche Germany, to confirm that no update is available for PIWIS with this software for customers.

 

[RudolfTurkeyRWD]

What are your sources that Taycan has batteries from anyone besides LG?

In what world would they ship different configurations for batteries: different chemistry, different design, different performance, different capacity? I think your dealer is misinformed. BTW porsche has officially communicated in 2019, 2020, and 2021 that they are and will be using LG chem Poland for the taycan exclusively.

Who makes these batteries in Belgium you speak of?
Who makes these batteries in Germany?

When you are talking about batteries, what are you referring to? The enclosure, which is made in Germany? The inverter, which is made in Belgium? Or the battery modules, which are actually the batteries, made by LG chem in Poland?

It’s interesting that some of you did get the software, that won’t predict defects happening, but will identify defects in the cells, based on a list of known defects, and shut down the module. It is likely a demo software like @Tooney said.

My dealer has called porsche Germany, to confirm that no update is available for PIWIS with this software for customers.

Those are a lot of questions coming from someone who shares a lot of false info and wrong assumptions. Let's not start an I heard, you heard conversation, but lets keep it to facts. Fact is that you sell your assumptions as facts. See how many comments in this thread from you start with "I guess". This whole situation is blown up because of a personal vendetta from you against Porsche. Your motives are unknown for me, 'I guess' you are just trolling

 

[chun]

Those are a lot of questions coming from someone who shares a lot of false info and wrong assumptions. Let's not start an I heard, you heard conversation, but lets keep it to facts. Fact is that you sell your assumptions as facts. See how many comments in this thread from you start with "I guess". This whole situation is blown up because of a personal vendetta from you against Porsche. Your motives are unknown for me, 'I guess' you are just trolling

Post 1 source for your battery claims.

until then, you started a you said I said , with 0 facts given

The battery manufacturer in Germany you and your dealer are thinking of is Varta, which is designing battery modules and enclosure for 718 EV. Not for the taycan.

And the battery from Belgium is not a battery, in the taycan, it’s an inverter.

 

[Tooney]

while most people do think we have LG's we don't - batteries are from other vendors, but assembled at LG. Who are your sources @chun ?

See extracts from 3 Porsche Taycan recall reports to US NHTSA for battery manufacturer ID:

 

[Bennachie]

So, '24 model year, late production J1.1 are not part of this cohort, as are the first and subsequent J1.2 model year '25 production.

 

[Tooney]

So, '24 model year, late production J1.1 are not part of this cohort, as are the first and subsequent J1.2 model year '25 production.

In US, Porsche has issued 5 separate recalls for 'HV Battery May Short Circuit'. Each recall has its own set of included VINs.

 

[D00notD00d]

I just had my 60k service yesterday and talked about this SW recall. The dealership told me a quite different story than @chun is telling. I

Those are a lot of questions coming from someone who shares a lot of false info and wrong assumptions. Let's not start an I heard, you heard conversation, but lets keep it to facts.

@RudolfTurkeyRWD
As a new joiner, can I welcome you to the Taycan Forum.
In my experience Information from Dealers and Importers isn’t necessarily authoritative, consistent and reliable and must be cross-checked and validated rather than being accepted at face value.
Of course the same can be true from posts here, but I hope you’re able to learn from the experiences here.
Your 2 posts so far have been quite adversarial. That doesn’t go down well.

 

[D00notD00d]

Production dates submitted to NTHSA, end date is 1/2/24.

Other territories may differ.

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