Tuning - Anyone in Canada tried out any of the tunes available (MapEV/Redfish)

[baccaroatie540]

Hello, I’m new here. Just curious if anyone in Canada has had experience with tuning their car with MapEV or Redfish?

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[Mr.Smith]

Is there a difference with US and Canada Taycans?

 

[baccaroatie540]

Is there a difference with US and Canada Taycans?

I don’t think there is a difference in the vehicles per se but in Canada we have different laws regarding warranty and consumer protection. No Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act up here and most of the people tuning seem to be in EU or US.

 

[prj]

I don’t think there is a difference in the vehicles per se but in Canada we have different laws regarding warranty and consumer protection. No Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act up here and most of the people tuning seem to be in EU or US.

Doesn't exist in the EU either, but we have had zero issues with warranty so far across hundreds of customers...

 

[baccaroatie540]

Thanks for the reply. It seems like a majority of people tuning are from US or EU and is why I started this thread to see if anyone has had experience with it and their Porsche dealers / warranty approvals in Canada. There seems to be virtually no distribution for either tuning products here, apart from only 1 I found in Ottawa.

 

[prj]

Thanks for the reply. It seems like a majority of people tuning are from US or EU and is why I started this thread to see if anyone has had experience with it and their Porsche dealers / warranty approvals in Canada. There seems to be virtually no distribution for either tuning products here, apart from only 1 I found in Ottawa.

Have a customer in Canada who had battery pack replaced...
From VAG/PAG side there is no difference where in the world you are the process is the same.
It's not the dealer that decides warranty coverage.

Just fit the original unit back before taking it to the dealer and you'll be fine.

 

[baccaroatie540]

I am aware the dealers don’t approve warranty claims it’s a Porsche decision. It was more about Porsche Canada and Porsche USA/EU being separate and maybe having different tolerances due to consumer protection laws being different.

I am doing some research so appreciate your responses. I found a thread on Facebook (where the experts tend to hangout lol) but for someone like myself that doesn’t have any knowledge of how this works, is this person accurate in anything they are saying:

“I’ve been a federal criminal defense lawyer for almost 40 years. I was part of the PPEI (Louisiana) and GDP tuning/Gorilla Performance (Idaho) Indictments against ECU tuners involved in diesel emissions “defeat tuning.” I’m not an expert but we hired the top experts in ECU tuning science including hardware guys from JPL at Cal Tech. It’s not exactly the same (Diesel/EV tuning) but here’s what I learned during those cases. This comes from one of the Government’s submissions in the case which our experts couldn’t crack. Some of it even relates to EVs bc they used VW diesel gate info in some of the filings.

Deep forensic checks can still find evidence. If the manufacturer insists, they can compare service logs, module serial histories, or even examine retained logs (in an EV from charging sessions/thermal events) A “stock” module reinstalled won’t rewrite other modules’ historic fault events. Also, vendor/tuner upload records. If you used a vendor that required you to upload ASG info, that creates an out-of-car record. If that vendor shares data or is compelled (lawsuit, warranty claim review), that could reveal the tune. manufacturers can initiate warranty denial even without a TD1 flag. (Porsche/Audi networks have processes where the manufacturer can refuse payment if they believe an aftermarket change caused a failure). The dealer may still perform repairs, but reimbursement is the sticking point. There’s also operational telemetry betrays overuse. Aggressive track use shows up in (battery temperatures, charge/discharge cycles, thermal derates) and repeated abuse can cause failure modes that point back to high-load operation rather than a simple part failure. Porsche can use telematics/service data to build that picture.

All of this is why no tuner will back any claim that the tune won’t kill your warranty. I get it, some guys don’t care. But despite the techniques used by tuners to mask things it’s very risky.”

 

[prj]

I am aware the dealers don’t approve warranty claims it’s a Porsche decision. It was more about Porsche Canada and Porsche USA/EU being separate and maybe having different tolerances due to consumer protection laws being different.

I am doing some research so appreciate your responses. I found a thread on Facebook (where the experts tend to hangout lol) but for someone like myself that doesn’t have any knowledge of how this works, is this person accurate in anything they are saying:

“I’ve been a federal criminal defense lawyer for almost 40 years. I was part of the PPEI (Louisiana) and GDP tuning/Gorilla Performance (Idaho) Indictments against ECU tuners involved in diesel emissions “defeat tuning.” I’m not an expert but we hired the top experts in ECU tuning science including hardware guys from JPL at Cal Tech. It’s not exactly the same (Diesel/EV tuning) but here’s what I learned during those cases. This comes from one of the Government’s submissions in the case which our experts couldn’t crack. Some of it even relates to EVs bc they used VW diesel gate info in some of the filings.

Deep forensic checks can still find evidence. If the manufacturer insists, they can compare service logs, module serial histories, or even examine retained logs (in an EV from charging sessions/thermal events) A “stock” module reinstalled won’t rewrite other modules’ historic fault events. Also, vendor/tuner upload records. If you used a vendor that required you to upload ASG info, that creates an out-of-car record. If that vendor shares data or is compelled (lawsuit, warranty claim review), that could reveal the tune. manufacturers can initiate warranty denial even without a TD1 flag. (Porsche/Audi networks have processes where the manufacturer can refuse payment if they believe an aftermarket change caused a failure). The dealer may still perform repairs, but reimbursement is the sticking point. There’s also operational telemetry betrays overuse. Aggressive track use shows up in (battery temperatures, charge/discharge cycles, thermal derates) and repeated abuse can cause failure modes that point back to high-load operation rather than a simple part failure. Porsche can use telematics/service data to build that picture.

Your entire first part of copy pasted text is about defeating emissions systems.
None of that applies here.

EV tuning does not affect emissions of the vehicle, since there are no emissions.

On the Taycan you can't determine that a controller was swapped back and forth, no facilities exist for that currently. It's possible to determine if a tuned controller is present at the time of the check, that's already done and on Porsche backend. Even with this information Porsche chooses not to void the warranty.

The ASG is not responsible for any safeties of the car or any component limits/tolerances. That's most likely why they don't void the warranty even on those cars that they detect ASG tuning at the moment (could change in the future though, which is why we recommend swapping the controller).

As for telemetry - yes, in theory you could log peak discharge rate from the battery. However, since you're never exceeding what the BMS/battery is rated to, it's not grounds to not honor the warranty on the car. The motor power output is irrelevant, since during wheelspin it can already hit 100% on front or rear as it has target torque it's trying to maintain.

Hence, the question - why would anyone want to void your warranty over this? And on what basis? Which components have been running outside of factory specification?
This logic above is also saying if you take the car to the track, then your warranty is void. But is it? Porsche does not void the warranty for track use unless the car is used exclusively only on the track as a commercial activity.

If you live your life by the motto, that everyone is out to get you, then don't tune the car - simple.

As for how your warranty can be voided there are only two options at the moment:
a) You have a tuned controller in and the cryptographic handshake shows that you do at the moment that warranty work approval is requested. In which case they can say the controller was modified.
b) You can piss off your dealer enough and then they can add a global "warranty void" on your car.

The tune on the Taycan is no more likely to void your warranty compared to running non-NF0 tyres or lowering links. Drawing any parallels to ICE cars is misguided and shows complete ignorance of the subject.

 

[baccaroatie540]

On the Taycan you can't determine that a controller was swapped back and forth, no facilities exist for that currently.

Is that something that can change with a software update or is that something that would have to be done from the start of new generation manufacturing?

 

[RED!]

I'm in Canada, and I don't see why I'd want to tune my ST GTS, loads of power and in Ontario they'll take your car if you go too fast, so driving a powerful car and enjoying the power has risks. There's a great family story about my wife merging from one highway to another and her saying "***& ***& ***& ***&!!!" and my daughter asking what was wrong, she was doing 165 kmph without even noticing.

On the other hand, I am interested in activating my Matrix, Cross Traffic (rear) and the door opening thing... for that I think I need to figure it out on my own since there aren't a lot of posters in the Cannuck section - I'd love to host an upgrade party!

 

[baccaroatie540]

Hence, the question - why would anyone want to void your warranty over this?
What are you trying to achieve here?

I would assume the answer, as to most things, would be money. Porsche and most car manufacturers would probably prefer for you to pay for something, especially if they can prove you altered your vehicle in a way that gave you Turbo S power when you only payed for 4 or 4s performance…

I’m for tuning and I really want this tune. I’m just doing my research as I’m sure like everyone else wants to keep our warranties intact now and in the foreseeable future.

 

[baccaroatie540]

I'm in Canada, and I don't see why I'd want to tune my ST GTS, loads of power and in Ontario they'll take your car if you go too fast, so driving a powerful car and enjoying the power has risks.

100% valid. I have the CT4 and would really love the extra power the tune offers. The car seems like it would drive the same, just very different when you need to put your foot down. But yes you are right, the car is already fast especially your GTS

 

[RED!]

100% valid. I have the CT4 and would really love the extra power the tune offers. The car seems like it would drive the same, just very different when you need to put your foot down. But yes you are right, the car is already fast especially your GTS

As a race car driver, (and longtime instructor) typically students want more speed, so they talk about turbos, and boost gates, and engine trickery... What I always recommend is suspension tuning and changing the ride characteristics since that's what actually makes the car go fast, and more fun. I wonder if 21's would change your car's "feel" more than an ECU tune?

 

[baccaroatie540]

I wonder if 21's would change your car's "feel" more than an ECU tune?

Makes sense and is something I considered but I have the first gen taycan and 21 will not only affect my range but also worsen the ride comfort. I think for me 20s are the sweet spot but it’s obviously all personal preference.

 

[RED!]

If you're in Toronto, I could let you try on my 21 RS Spiders. I'm actually curious about how much range I'd gain back with 20's

I love my ride, but I'm biased towards harder, sportier. I also drove a 4S and found it too smooooooth, didn't feel aggressive, which I get out of the GTS, and why I chose it over a Turbo, which I also found a bit softer - I also have the 18 way seats, looking for a sports car feel

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