"Porsche Charges $134K For The Taycan, SAIC Charges $32K For Z7" - article

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I never considered that Porsche competed with Ford or Chevy or Hyundai or now Chinese cars like Xiaomi on price. In this line of argument, shouldn't we compare the 911 against Mazda Miata or Honda Prelude? What about Subaru? Nothing against those manufacturers or cars. But it is about what the brand represents and how that brand value is earned. For me, I got the Taycan because it was superior to Tesla in all ways important to my driving experience. Better tech with Tesla? Sure. Better driving experience? No way. Better build quality? Not even close. Price comparison between my Taycan and others? Never a consideration. If you want a Porsche, then you know why you want it.

This quote stands, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

I wish you all happy journeys!

This is the same thought process that doomed Porsche/BMW/Mercedes in China. They used to own the luxury market, their brands were aspirational. But recently, the domestic manufacturers have narrowed the gap to the point where the price differential is not justified and the buyers are voting with their wallets.

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[69Mach390]

Porsche Charges $134K For The Taycan, SAIC Charges $32K For This

SAIC's new Z7 borrows the Taycan's silhouette but asks roughly a quarter of the price, and the specs are not a joke.

• SAIC’s new Z7 starts at just $32K, undercutting Porsche’s Taycan dramatically.
• The dual-motor Z7 Ultra hits 62 mph (100km/h) in a Taycan-baiting 3.4 seconds.
• A Touring-body Z7T variant mirrors the Cross Turismo version of the Taycan.

Unveiled earlier this year as a rival to the hugely popular Xiaomi SU7, the Z7 is making its public debut at this week’s Beijing Auto Show, where SAIC has also confirmed several variants. The standard sedan keeps things simple with the Z7 name, while the wagon version goes by Z7T. Put something like this in a showroom, and it does rather leave the Taycan looking like an expensive way to buy a badge.
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The base model, known as the Z7 Max, is priced from 219,800 yuan ($32,200) and offers a solid 732 km (455 miles) range. Step up to the Z7 Max+, and you get the larger 100 kWh battery, stretching range to 905 km (562 miles) while nudging the price to 249,800 yuan ($36,600). Above that sits the dual-motor Z7 Ultra, also with the 100 kWh pack, delivering 791 km (491 miles) of range from 299,800 yuan ($43,900).

Three versions of the Z7T sports wagon are also offered, also badged the Z7T Max, Z7T Max+, and Z7T Ultra. The cheapest is priced at 229,800 yuan ($33,700) with the 81 kWh battery and 712 km (442 miles) of range, while the Z7T Max+ adds the 100 kWh pack, boosting the range to 873 km (542 miles). At 259,800 yuan ($38,000), it’s still very affordable. Then there’s the Z7T Ultra, rated at 776 km (482 miles) and priced from 309,800 yuan ($45,400).

I mean….. it does do about everything feature wise.

Some interesting things from this video- center screen can move and tilt.

And the drivers seat turns into a full bed?? Like a full leg rest and everything.



As far as these click bait articles go though, the price comparison only matters if you live in China.

Might as well talk about how Libya, Iran and Venezuela only pay 13-35 cents per gallon for gasoline.

It’s interesting, but irrelevant if you live anywhere else. Government subsidies don’t matter if you don’t live there.

 

[Solid]

I think it's worth noting that the range estimates are based on the Chinese market test cycle that is not as representative of reality. The EU one is most optimistic than the EPA one, and I think the China market one is more optimistic still. They almost certainly have better battery tech regardless given their iteration speed, but it's worth keeping mind when the range figures seem amazingly better.

 

[prj]

I think it's worth noting that the range estimates are based on the Chinese market test cycle that is not as representative of reality. The EU one is most optimistic than the EPA one, and I think the China market one is more optimistic still. They almost certainly have better battery tech regardless given their iteration speed, but it's worth keeping mind when the range figures seem amazingly better.

Yeah the Denza Z9 GT was rated 509 miles in China (CLTC), but only manages 372 miles WLTP. I am sure EPA would be even lower than that.

The "ancient dinosaur" Taycan manages the same range with J1.2 by the way while running wider tyres.

Very funny how the China car lovers constantly quote the CLTC figures and compare them with WLTP even though they should be cut by 30% to have a comparable number.

 

[69Mach390]

Yeah the Denza Z9 GT was rated 509 miles in China (CLTC), but only manages 372 miles WLTP. I am sure EPA would be even lower than that.

The "ancient dinosaur" Taycan manages the same range with J1.2 by the way while running wider tyres.

Very funny how the China car lovers constantly quote the CLTC figures and compare them with WLTP even though they should be cut by 30% to have a comparable number.

Even EPA range numbers aren’t fully standardized.

Tesla uses the 5 cycle EPA test which inflates their numbers vs other brands. Which is why Porsche tends to over perform in independent range tests and Tesla underperforms.

If you aren’t using the same measuring stick all the comparisons are meaningless.

 

[JerryLNK]

This is the same thought process that doomed Porsche/BMW/Mercedes in China. They used to own the luxury market, their brands were aspirational. But recently, the domestic manufacturers have narrowed the gap to the point where the price differential is not justified and the buyers are voting with their wallets.

Ferrari is having similar sales losses in China. Sales challenges are more about the Chinese macroeconomics and shifts in consumer buying power than the aspirational aspect of luxury brands. Strategically, I would rather see luxury brands (Porsche in particular) shift their position in the market or get out of it. Can't compete on price when it is artificial because of market influences from a centrally planned economy. A race to the bottom will only dilute the brand.

 

[Rbwalters]

This is the same thought process that doomed Porsche/BMW/Mercedes in China. They used to own the luxury market, their brands were aspirational. But recently, the domestic manufacturers have narrowed the gap to the point where the price differential is not justified and the buyers are voting with their wallets.

I would argue what doomed these luxury brands in China was their willingness to make cheaper copies funded by the Chinese government.

If you're shopping based on price, you're probably not in Porsche's target market.

 

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I would argue what doomed these luxury brands in China was their willingness to make cheaper copies funded by the Chinese government.

If you're shopping based on price, you're probably not in Porsche's target market.

Price is always a consideration, it's just to what extent and what income bracket. Companies start to go downhill when they believe their own ads.

 

[B61]

Anything auto related with the word China gives me little reason to read. I’d never get the time back reading about what our US govt would never let happen in the auto industry. The day Chinese auto comes into US, is the day any and every current auto maker ends up going out of business, along with our economy. Gives me sorrow to worry about how much better Chinese cars are and for the cost.
I can only hope euro markets can sway auto makers to enhance and influence better batteries and prices.

Just read anarticle that BYD is talking with Stellantis to take over some plants over Europe

 

[ChronoMax]

......I don’t think most of their customers will come and trade in their Porsches for one of these.....

Most definitely not, but for four of them, perhaps so.

 

[Gkwan]

Yeah the Denza Z9 GT was rated 509 miles in China (CLTC), but only manages 372 miles WLTP. I am sure EPA would be even lower than that.

The "ancient dinosaur" Taycan manages the same range with J1.2 by the way while running wider tyres.

Very funny how the China car lovers constantly quote the CLTC figures and compare them with WLTP even though they should be cut by 30% to have a comparable number.

Just 2cents from what I read, rough range :
CLTC 100 => WLTP 80 (-20%) => EPA 70 (-15%)

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