High Voltage Battery Recall EXPANDED - ARB6 & ARB7

[PNWTaycan4S]

Its Déjà vu all over again......

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[whitex]

Limiting the cars to 80% SoC will put them close warranty claim (>30% loss from nominal), since it's Porsche software that would be doing the limiting and therefore would be considered loss of capacity by most reasonable jurors.

 

[whitex]

I just realized this sounds almost exactly like the Chevy Bolt battery fire issues, which ended up having Bolts banned from parking lots, apartment and office buildings, ferries, etc. Chevy did the exact same thing as Porsche - told owners of a risk of fire, don't charge above 80%, don't park anywhere near anything you care about, few months later "come get a new limiting software installed which will test if your battery is susceptible". While some Bolt owners got new batteries, this took well over a year.

 

[chun]

ARA4 and ARA5 recalls received the exact same letter, by the way.

I myself had ARA4 done in September. Do be honest, the range is a bit less now. But i don't think it has anything to do with the recall, and more to do with my spirited driving lately + weather getting colder.

They definitely did not replace the battery, and to be honest not sure if they even took the battery out, as I could connect to the car the whole time via app while it was in service.

 

[chun]

Faulty Porsche charger? Any details?

I can't find the updated article; with the conclusion from Porsche, but it's related to this one: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30986407/porsche-taycan-ev-fire-garage-florida/

I remember reading that Porsche concluded it was due to a faulty charger.

That being said there have been several taycan fires that ended up very bad and porsche covered none of the costs:
https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/09/...catches-fire-in-china-driver-burned-to-death/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dramatic-moment-200k-porsche-bursts-31043225

This whole dealership got burned by a taycan: https://www.facebook.com/precisionporschespecialists/?locale=en_GB

And let's not forget about the cargo ship also burned down by a taycan:
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/...ive-2022-fire-sank-cargo-ship-thousands-cars/

 

[SmME]

Do we know if owners who were subject to recall APB5 in North America could be included in this recall too? God what an absolute shit show from Porsche.

 

[chun]

Do we know if owners who were subject to recall APB5 in North America could be included in this recall too? God what an absolute shit show from Porsche.

I would say unlikely, as they diagnose the battery before actually doing the recall, to see if its really necessary. So if they already did a recall on it recently, the battery has been diagnosed as with no issues.

But I do find it funny, that porsche acknowledges that humidity can get in the battery if the sealent brakes, compromising the battery slowly (also reported by 3rd party services - apparently all red rings of death are a result of humidity in the battery encolsure); and yet they don't do a recall for that.

I have a feeling that they are trying to minimize costs on battery recalls as much as possible until they are out of warranty, and then... good luck.

 

[gtm]

Do we know if owners who were subject to recall APB5 in North America could be included in this recall too? God what an absolute shit show from Porsche.

To quote the recall "This is an expansion of prior recalls: ... APB5 ... ARA4 ... ARA5". So it sure reads like this is some umbrella recall covering/expanding on all the previous short circuit recalls.

I'm not sure shit show is an adequate description. The only positive from all this is that the BMS software will get a lot more robust.

 

[PNWTaycan4S]

I received a replacement battery in the fall of 2023. The dealer indicated that PNA told them it is not subject to the ARA4 recall so no need to bring it in, however it still shows up on the NHTSA site as needing ARA4. I suspect that the new battery will now need this new recall, or it will be months before they clear the old and new recall. All this continues to impact resale value for all Taycan owners....

 

[whitex]

I can't find the updated article; with the conclusion from Porsche, but it's related to this one: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30986407/porsche-taycan-ev-fire-garage-florida/

I remember reading that Porsche concluded it was due to a faulty charger.

That being said there have been several taycan fires that ended up very bad and porsche covered none of the costs:
https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/09/...catches-fire-in-china-driver-burned-to-death/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dramatic-moment-200k-porsche-bursts-31043225

This whole dealership got burned by a taycan: https://www.facebook.com/precisionporschespecialists/?locale=en_GB

And let's not forget about the cargo ship also burned down by a taycan:
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/...ive-2022-fire-sank-cargo-ship-thousands-cars/

Ok, the first one looked like a residential garage. Most likely cause of such fires is wiring issues with the EVSE (wires between your EVSE and the rest of the house), which would not be covered by the EV manufacturer. If the fire was started by a Porsche EVSE or the Taycan, Porsche would definitely be liable, unless the car has been in an accident, but even then there might be liability attached if the car did not throw any warnings/errors.

The next 2 were accidents, so of course manufacturer would not pay.

The dealership article does not mention a Taycan as the cause, so possibly a speculation. Also, EV's are harder to put out, so sometimes people will blame the EV for making the fire started by something else worse, but again, if not started with the EV, no liability on the manufacturer.

As for the sunken ship, the article was paywalled and I was unable to find other sources (everyone, including wikipedia linked to that article), nor was I able to find any outcomes of the case. There was a mention somewhere that apparently "VW failed to inform them of the danger and necessary precautions needed when transporting such EVs.", which tells me there may have been some issue with how the EVs were transported (perhaps they were exposed to large amount of sea water?).

Bottom line, if a Taycan in good mechanical shape starts a fire, even if not covered by warranty like Tesla, I don't see how the manufacturer could escape liability in court.

 

[chun]

Bottom line, if a Taycan in good mechanical shape starts a fire, even if not covered by warranty like Tesla, I don't see how the manufacturer could escape liability in court.

The dealership was in the news. It was an EV porsche. At the time, porsche had only 1 EV.

The manufacturer could escape liability in court by proposing you a deal; they don;t bankrupt you in court for the next 7 years, and you settle. As it often happens when big companies end up in court vs normal people

One of the chinese fires was not an accident:

The two companies (porsche & audi) told the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that: "under certain circumstances, there is a possibility that over time liquid can intrude into the high voltage battery."

But that's beside the point. My point was that "good guy Porsche" won't just cover the damages out of their good heart, even if the car is to blame, unless you sue them and win.

 

[KenR]

If I keep my new GT at 37% SoC will I be OK? ?

 

[whitex]

The manufacturer could escape liability in court by proposing you a deal; they don;t bankrupt you in court for the next 7 years, and you settle.

They cannot bankrupt you in court, unless they sue you. Settlement that pays for everything sounds right, likely comes attached with a gag provision not to spread the story. Such is life.

 

[TaycanCook]

So, wait another year+ before I hear anything about parts being available... gotcha. Seriously considering just trading it in, but I don't want to get hosed by Porsche again. We should force a buy back.

 

[SmME]

To quote the recall "This is an expansion of prior recalls: ... APB5 ... ARA4 ... ARA5". So it sure reads like this is some umbrella recall covering/expanding on all the previous short circuit recalls.

I'm not sure shit show is an adequate description. The only positive from all this is that the BMS software will get a lot more robust.

Thank God. I am about at the end of my thread with the process for the APB5 recall.

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