So what you're saying is you found out during delivery that the dealer added a $7,500 "salesperson tip", you'd just wave your hand and pay anyways?
There is a difference between a Dealer adding $7500 and the Govt making a change to the current Law. I don’t think anyone on this forum is cancelling their order due to the EV Credit disappearing. When you’re spending well over $100k for a Car price is not the key consideration.
I think what you might be missing is that ICE to EV switch is not exactly the same as going up in price in your ICE choices. For example Tesla discovered long ago, that while they were selling $100K Model S's only (before Model 3/Y's) the number one brand from which people were switching from was not Porsche, or BMW, but Toyota! A large pool of people stretched their budgets to more than twice the next most expensive car they ever owned to get into a Model S and incentives do help when one is stretching. For others the rebate is a risk mitigation, help offset the risk of going with a new technology (that was the primary reason I bought my first Tesla, without it I am almost certain I would not have bought the first, or the 3 more Teslas I bought since). A lot of people think that if you can afford a $100K+ car, you are just rich and never look at prices, just sign checks which come from some virtually unlimited funds account. However, that is not at all true. I've known a few people whose net worth was in the millions who carefully watched every dollar they spent, used coupons, and waited for sales even when buying $100K+ cars. The truth is, unless you are a trust fund baby or a high end celebrity, if you can afford $100K+ cars you probably didn't get to this financial capability by being careless with money.
Thinking something doesn’t make it true.
The MSRP was from Porsche, which I saw as soon as I completed my initial configuration prior to contacting the dealer, so I'm not sure how you get a "salesperson tip" out of that. I doubt Porsche priced the Taycan counting on a tax incentive.
Depends on what the goal of the incentive is. If the goal is to incentivize cheap, existing technology EV's, then yes, limit it. Innovation such as longer range, more efficient cars, or longer lasting cars, that usually costs money and the first products of new technologies are more expensive and come at a higher risk. If you want incentivize that, you don't cap the incentives at min 40KWh battery and max price of $55K as that could result in a flood of old tech EV's, such as 40KW, 120mile rated range vehicles, which could result in people being completely turned off by EVs, not use them, so the infrastructure will not expand (or expand slow charging only since majority of EV's will be the incentivized ones not be capable of 250KW charging for example), etc.
Simple, imagine you configured and ordered your Taycan earlier this year, and you know you will be paying at least $7,500 in taxes so you included the incentive in your plan. By the time the car is delivered, the inventive is gone, so it's now $7,500 more than you planned to spend. Whether via an added "salesperson tip" or removed incentive, the end result is the same, your price has gone up by $7,500.
I still don't get how that is a salesperson/dealer incentive. But I'd never factor in something like that, something I know could change. I was already aware that the Tax incentive for Teslas was gone and was actually surprised there was any tax incentive for a luxury EV. I always pay cash for my cars and leave the taxes to my CPA. This is especially true for something I want, but don't really need.
That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a $7500 change in price in either case.
Ok, so let's go with your "I never factor in something like that (taxes)". Imagine between the time you ordered the car and the time you got it, the sales tax increased by 10%, so it will cost you an extra 10% of MSRP to drive off the lot. You might not care, but many people would.
See my separate post. Most press stories appear to be quoting a White House fact sheet, not the actual bill.
Maybe it is a generational thing. The only thing I've ever bought on credit is my home. Everything else I pay for upfront. I always assume the worst-case scenario. So I would always assume a credit may not be available or there may be a tax increase. If any of those would be a show stopper for me I would not make the purchase. My out-the-door, license/tax/insurance, current estimate is about $180k so I set aside $200k. If my final price were to exceed that I'd have to reevaluate.
Maybe it is a generational thing. The only thing I've ever bought on credit is my home. Everything else I pay for upfront. I always assume the worst-case scenario. So I would always assume a credit may not be available or there may be a tax increase. If any of those would be a show stopper for me I would not make the purchase. My out-the-door, license/tax/insurance, current estimate is about $180k so I set aside $200k. If my final price were to exceed that I'd have to reevaluate.
I understand that not everyone may feel the same, but am puzzled that for cars in this price range $7500 would be a major consideration. Obviously, for me, it isn't.
For me, If $7500 were a deal-breaker, I'd would not have placed an order. I guess it is just a difference in perspective. My son would have preferred I order one of the new Corvette Z06's (it looks like it would have been less expensive), but I'm not a Corvette fan, wanted an EV, and have always wanted a Porsche.
Bottom line, I'm excited about my new car, and it would take something pretty significant for me to cancel, postpone my order
