AMG electric Fastback - June reveal.

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I guess every hall needs a hall monitor.

I prefer living in neighborhoods without an HOA myself. I do understand your points. I just disagree as to whether or not they should exist.

The same laws apply on how you can drive on the street for EVERY vehicle. Whether it’s got 100 hp or 1000.

The roll cage requirement on the drag strip is because you can legally go 150-340 mph there.

This isn’t much different from the fact that pretty much every car can break every legal speed limit today. Even my son’s 1.3 liter 3 cylinder car can go over the legal 70 mph limit.

If you start drawing lines as to the legal horsepower, just wait until we all end up with 50 hp cars with a 70 mph top speed. No thanks!

Hahaha!

I think rollcages on drag strips make some sense not for roll over, but a proper cage stops the passenger compartment from deforming in a hard hit, which protects the occupants from serious injury. I feel Motorsport are sports and the appropriate protection is appropriate.

On the HOA front, it’s something many of us Canadians don’t understand, Americans are supposed to be allergic to anything that smells like tyranny but choose to live under rules set out about when they have to take their garbage cans in, what they can park in their driveways and what colors they can paint their houses. This stuff wouldn’t fly in Canada, confused why it does in the USA.

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I guess every hall needs a hall monitor.

I prefer living in neighborhoods without an HOA myself. I do understand your points. I just disagree as to whether or not they should exist.

The same laws apply on how you can drive on the street for EVERY vehicle. Whether it’s got 100 hp or 1000.

The roll cage requirement on the drag strip is because you can legally go 150-340 mph there.

This isn’t much different from the fact that pretty much every car can break every legal speed limit today. Even my son’s 1.3 liter 3 cylinder car can go over the legal 70 mph limit.

If you start drawing lines as to the legal horsepower, just wait until we all end up with 50 hp cars with a 70 mph top speed. No thanks!

Its not just the speed limit, but how fast the car can accelerate and lose control.

Laws only punish after the fact and may dissuade bad behavior, it doesn't prevents it.

With EVs becoming cheaper and more advance, it's only a matter of time before 1500+ hp becomes the standard. I'm not quite comfortable with the average American driver behind the wheel of that much power.

 

[69Mach390]

Its not just the speed limit, but how fast the car can accelerate and lose control.

Laws only punish after the fact and may dissuade bad behavior, it doesn't prevents it.

With EVs becoming cheaper and more advance, it's only a matter of time before 1500+ hp becomes the standard. I'm not quite comfortable with the average American driver behind the wheel of that much power.

If you look at the sales numbers, I don’t think the obscene horsepower cars are going to be that common.

Yes, cars have gotten much more powerful and EVs make it even easier. But the sales (or lack thereof) are why the plaids got killed.

As far as safety goes though, these AWD high hp EVs are a heck of a lot safer than the ICE rwd v8 muscle cars.

I would rather see more high HP EVs than anything you might ask “does that thing got a Hemi?”

 

[whitex]

Looks like a catfish.

The video said AMG hasn't released the outside looks yet, so it's a totally made up artist (AI?) rendering. Yea, not my favorite look, reminds me of Macan ICE look (which I also never liked). The interior views are supposed to based on released information.

 

[whitex]

Yes, cars have gotten much more powerful and EVs make it even easier. But the sales (or lack thereof) are why the plaids got killed.

I don't think that has anything to do with it, Plaid got killed because Model S and Model X got killed, most of which were non-plaid. Model 3/Y Performance trim has not gotten killed.

 

[69Mach390]

Hahaha!

I think rollcages on drag strips make some sense not for roll over, but a proper cage stops the passenger compartment from deforming in a hard hit, which protects the occupants from serious injury. I feel Motorsport are sports and the appropriate protection is appropriate.

On the HOA front, it’s something many of us Canadians don’t understand, Americans are supposed to be allergic to anything that smells like tyranny but choose to live under rules set out about when they have to take their garbage cans in, what they can park in their driveways and what colors they can paint their houses. This stuff wouldn’t fly in Canada, confused why it does in the USA.

HOAs definitely aren’t consumer driven. We don’t like them.

But local municipalities like them because it offloads the cost of infrastructure (roads, sewage etc) to the HOA.

Builder’s like them because they keep the neighborhood “nice” which can help keep prices high. It also lets them add more amenities to the neighborhood (like parks, pools, tennis courts, playgrounds etc) that also keep home selling prices high.

But I’ve never heard anyone say “I love my HOA!” The HOA board tends to attract a certain type of person who likes fining their neighbors if their grass is too high or their mailbox paint is 2 shades too dark. Likely a bunch of retired parking ticket meter maids.

 

[69Mach390]

I don't think that has anything to do with it, Plaid got killed because Model S and Model X got killed, most of which were non-plaid. Model 3/Y Performance trim has not gotten killed.

If the 1000 hp cars were more popular, they wouldn’t have gotten killed.

Halo cars like that have always been extremely low volume, but have to be backed up by high volume “normal cars.”

I think Tesla got it wrong though. They have a 1000 hp drivetrain and put it in a sedan, SUV and a truck…… and NOT a sports car???

 

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If you look at the sales numbers, I don’t think the obscene horsepower cars are going to be that common.

Yes, cars have gotten much more powerful and EVs make it even easier. But the sales (or lack thereof) are why the plaids got killed.

As far as safety goes though, these AWD high hp EVs are a heck of a lot safer than the ICE rwd v8 muscle cars.

I would rather see more high HP EVs than anything you might ask “does that thing got a Hemi?”

The entire Model S line got killed because it's a 100k car that still looks like the same car that was released in 2012. There are lots of options now in the 100k range and people that spend 100k wants the newer shinier thing.

 

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If the 1000 hp cars were more popular, they wouldn’t have gotten killed.

Halo cars like that have always been extremely low volume, but have to be backed up by high volume “normal cars.”

I think Tesla got it wrong though. They have a 1000 hp drivetrain and put it in a sedan, SUV and a truck…… and NOT a sports car???

The thing is, 1000hp is not special anymore. Hence Mercedes is coming out with a 2000hp car. That's my whole argument. There has to be some limit to this hp race.

And it's not even about being popular, but rather that it's available at all. Because if a 2000hp car is available, at some point it's going to get into hands of someone, that will "see what it can do" on a public road. In China, you can get a new SU7 ultra for 70USD. That thing has 1500hp. Its only be a few years before you can get that same power for 35K or less.

 

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The thing is, 1000hp is not special anymore. Hence Mercedes is coming out with a 2000hp car. That's my whole argument. There has to be some limit to this hp race.

And it's not even about being popular, but rather that it's available at all. Because if a 2000hp car is available, at some point it's going to get into hands of someone, that will "see what it can do" on a public road. In China, you can get a new SU7 ultra for 70USD. That thing has 1500hp. Its only be a few years before you can get that same power for 35K or less.

It’s all marketing BS, and we’ve been in a HP arms race since the Muscle Cars became a thing. Ironically, what the typical consumer/driver feels in their a$$ is torque, and electric cars of any HP have so much that one day a reviewer will compare the zero to 30k speeds (since that’s the typical consumer experience) of expensive and cheap EVs and the virtue of 1000+hp will… never mind, I’m dreaming considering marketing has many of us driving an electric car called a Turbo!

 

[69Mach390]

The entire Model S line got killed because it's a 100k car that still looks like the same car that was released in 2012. There are lots of options now in the 100k range and people that spend 100k wants the newer shinier thing.

That would be a good reason for a model refresh, not necessarily killing the entire line.

Bottom line? 1000 hp (or 1500 for that matter) sounds cool for setting records, getting clicks on YouTube videos etc.

But very few people actually want to drive those cars daily.

I’m a horsepower junkie, but at some point it does become unusable.

Even some sports cars with the extra power are becoming less popular. Example: Corvette Z06….. they’ve been sitting on lots lately. Because the regular 495 hp Corvette is more than enough for most people.

 

[69Mach390]

The thing is, 1000hp is not special anymore. Hence Mercedes is coming out with a 2000hp car. That's my whole argument. There has to be some limit to this hp race.

And it's not even about being popular, but rather that it's available at all. Because if a 2000hp car is available, at some point it's going to get into hands of someone, that will "see what it can do" on a public road. In China, you can get a new SU7 ultra for 70USD. That thing has 1500hp. Its only be a few years before you can get that same power for 35K or less.

You can already buy much more powerful cars for even less.

And they’re waaaaay less safe of the street if you “see what it can do.”
https://www.racingjunk.com/category/1/drag-racing-cars.html?page=1

Heck, YouTube is full of street racing videos of mostly rwd high horsepower cars racing on the highway.

No need to wait for the future to find idiots being idiots in high powered cars.

If anything? The high HP electrics are less likely to show up on those videos. Why? Because there are almost zero power mods that can be done and fast speed without noise isn’t as “cool.”

 

[whitex]

If the 1000 hp cars were more popular, they wouldn’t have gotten killed.

Halo cars like that have always been extremely low volume, but have to be backed up by high volume “normal cars.”

I think Tesla got it wrong though. They have a 1000 hp drivetrain and put it in a sedan, SUV and a truck…… and NOT a sports car???

There were more S/X Plaid sold than the Taycan Turbo & Turbo S combined for each year they were sold. They probably sold more total cars than all of Taycans since their respective starts of production. Does this mean Porsche should kill the Taycans?

Model S and X got old, so they stopped selling, it had nothing to do with them having the Plaid. If it was only the 1000hp cars, Tesla would have just killed the Plaid but continued to sell S/X.

1000hp trims actually help drive the lower trim sales. Think Corvette, or Porsche, both have half (or lower) priced trims of the same model which sell a lot more than the top trim, but the top trim helps drive the sales of the lower trims, whether by comparison (classic argument along the lines of "I can get a Taycan 4S for less than half the price of the Taycan Turbo GT, wow, what a deal, just slightly slower, and I don't need that much power anyways", or "it's my status symbol car, most people will not know which trim it is, especially if I make some inexpensive body mods").

Then there are people like me, who enjoy the power in every day driving, and are willing to pay for it.

 

[69Mach390]

There were more S/X Plaid sold than the Taycan Turbo & Turbo S combined for each year they were sold. They probably sold more total cars than all of Taycans since their respective starts of production. Does this mean Porsche should kill the Taycans?

Model S and X got old, so they stopped selling, it had nothing to do with them having the Plaid. If it was only the 1000hp cars, Tesla would have just killed the Plaid but continued to sell S/X.

1000hp trims actually help drive the lower trim sales. Think Corvette, or Porsche, both have half (or lower) priced trims of the same model which sell a lot more than the top trim, but the top trim helps drive the sales of the lower trims, whether by comparison (classic argument along the lines of "I can get a Taycan 4S for less than half the price of the Taycan Turbo GT, wow, what a deal, just slightly slower, and I don't need that much power anyways", or "it's my status symbol car, most people will not know which trim it is, especially if I make some inexpensive body mods").

Then there are people like me, who enjoy the power in every day driving, and are willing to pay for it.

We can speculate all day as to the “why,” but the fact remains they no longer exist and Tesla would rather build robots than a new Model S.

This line of discussion started out of concern of too many 1000+ hp cars. Now the most popular ones ever sold are no more. That tells us something. Maybe a bit of an end to the horsepower wars? We shall see.

But if the cars don’t make a profit (either directly or indirectly through more lower priced trims), they go away.

 

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damn that is a garish interior and I hope the finished product looks nothing like that

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