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  1. Odds Tesla adds Taycan upgrade to Model S before Porsche production ram

    Porsche has stated the first cars will arrive in 2019. I’m guessing like New Year’s Eve. There isn’t time to make a radical change to the model S. Just testing the production changes alone would likely take too long. Unless Elon has been ... fibbing and they were working on a new design all...
  2. Odds Tesla adds Taycan upgrade to Model S before Porsche production ram

    Porsche has two factory lines ready and anticipates making 40,000 cars in the next 12 months. They’ll hit 80% of Tesla’s peak model S production immediately. This is an area of vast competitive advantage for the VW group. Largely at the expensive of less advanced battery tech. I thought for...
  3. EV Maintenance...

    i’m pretty excited about that and the combination of a more traditional braking experience with regen.
  4. Taycan real world Range

    Tesla the product, which is a historic achievement, isn’t Tesla the business. And Detroit being f—ked doesn’t have anything to do with Tesla’s business problems. Since Tesla can’t manufacture cars faster, they can’t exploit Detroit’s weakness any more than they already have. These are all...
  5. Configuring on the 4th!

    My dealer has been so radio silence I had to double check they actually put me in the deposit program at all ....
  6. Taycan real world Range

    tesla has done an astounding job. But they have serious manufacturing and operational issues, and an extremely large amount of corporate debt exacerbated by frequent and large quarterly losses. Without sufficient capital and margins, they are definitely at risk as a business. Elon said...
  7. Taycan real world Range

    a lot of the wiring changes in the model 3 and Y are to make the car faster and cheaper to manufacture. They’re far more advanced than the model S. That doesn’t necessarily translate into anything meaningful to customers. But I am a big fan of any operational improvements to keep them in...
  8. Taycan real world Range

    baby got back
  9. Taycan real world Range

    as best I can tell the only thing we’re disagreeing about is whether or not enough engineering details and sourced Porsche statements have leaked to make reasonable estimates of the taycan’s likely range... the answer is yes but we’ll know soon enough.
  10. Taycan real world Range

    Porsche has said 500km NEDC, which works out to be ~210mi EPA. https://thedriven.io/2019/08/07/why-are-new-electric-vehicle-range-estimates-often-so-different/ I suspect they’ll do better than that, but it’s not going to be similar to the Model S P100. Porsche’s own statements, known...
  11. Taycan real world Range

    i, and I suspect dennis and others, have been trying to inject some realism into the range discussion. We already know the size, configuration, chemistry and manufacture of the batteries. We know how they perform in the real world in other products. Considerably worse than Tesla’s. If you’re...
  12. Taycan real world Range

    All this. there are a number of sources that go into this with more details. Sorry I don’t have them on hand. But basically we already know the taycan will be around the iPace, +/- a bit. Same batteries from same source in same config at similar sizes. The Model 3 batteries are...
  13. Taycan real world Range

    thanks for that tidbit. I don’t agree with it, but I get it makes sense for cost and capital investment
  14. Taycan real world Range

    the largest model 3 battery is 75kW, and the taycan 96kW. Math is not a Tesla fan boy.
  15. Taycan real world Range

    tesla’s batteries and range are years ahead. They cost less to manufacture and provide more range. No other EVs have the same range at the same price points. The Model 3 is an exceptional piece of engineering. Even the best case estimates for the Taycan are lower ranges than the 75kW model 3...
  16. Taycan real world Range

    nope, j1 was codeveloped: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25349648/audi-e-tron-gt-concept-porsche-taycan-shared-platform/ I suspect this is a mistake in a number of ways, and that Porsche will use a completely different platform for the next major rev.
  17. Taycan real world Range

    To follow up on what others have said, Tesla battery tech is several years ahead of .... everyone on an industrial scale and they’ve been tuning their software and infrastructure based on real world results for 6 years. The Model 3 performance trim is a fantastic. One of the best cars...
  18. Anyone place deposit on Taycan waitlist? What # are you on the list?

    I expect there will be quite a few withdrawals due to sticker shock, range anxiety and more. Different countries required different deposit amounts so many of them are fairly insignificant. I doubt Porsche will have trouble selling every one they make, but I guess 30K interests only turns out...
  19. Taycan Official Presentation Date Will Be September 4!

    as much as i’d love to see a turbo S trim this year, it conflicts with public statements made by Porsche execs. Sure, they could change their minds, but it seems weird to roll out an S instead of just a turbo and upsell an S in a year or two. I assume we’ll hear about the 2020 trim levels on...
  20. Taycan Interior Dash

    My BMW M3 only has 200mi range per tank too. EV Range is mostly FUD. Charging infrastructure is another matter entirely. There are a few places in the states where folks will be stuck driving hybrids at best for a while. A few. The vast majority of people don’t need that kind of range, and...





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