4S CT ownership didn't get off to a good start

[f1eng]

Unless he's a geriatric he'll barely even notice it.

Are you an experienced doctor?
I am surprised to read this if so.

Before the restrictions were removed here I only knew one person who got Covid.
Since they were removed I know a lot of people who have had it and how severe it has been has varied wildly but not to a pattern of just geriatrics. 2 of my grandchildren were positive but were not all that ill but a third who is only six has been very poorly. My son, who is 39 has been ill with it for 12 days too. My daughter had the inconvenience of being really poorly and having to isolate with her two children who weren't that ill which made it much more difficult for her.

My wife has been ill for almost a fortnight, she is older but by no means geriatric.

And that is just my immediate family, masses of others of my acquaintance have it too. OTOH the lack of availability of tests probably distorts the reporting of the numbers.

I have not had it yet.

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[TaycanHero]

Are you an experienced doctor?
I am surprised to read this if so.

Before the restrictions were removed here I only knew one person who got Covid.
Since they were removed I know a lot of people who have had it and how severe it has been has varied wildly but not to a pattern of just geriatrics. 2 of my grandchildren were positive but were not all that ill but a third who is only six has been very poorly. My son, who is 39 has been ill with it for 12 days too. My daughter had the inconvenience of being really poorly and having to isolate with her two children who weren't that ill which made it much more difficult for her.

My wife has been ill for almost a fortnight, she is older but by no means geriatric.

And that is just my immediate family, masses of others of my acquaintance have it too. OTOH the lack of availability of tests probably distorts the reporting of the numbers.

I have not had it yet.

I am sure the illness can be quite debilitating, but it isn't the death sentence the media makes out, nor is it any worse than flu, sinusitis or a myriad of other viruses.

There are known risk factors for vulnerable, and the elderly, but then that is true of any viral or bacterial infection.

You don't need to be an experienced doctor. ONS data/NHS Covid surveillance reports make for an interesting read, though I will keep an open mind about the origins of this particular virus...

Statistically, someone of working age being off work long term is about as likely as with the flu, which was the (admittedly, flippant) point I was making.

 

[12ACD]

Unless he's a geriatric he'll barely even notice it. I'd be more concerned about something happening to him on his drive into work.

You'll get your car back soon, but I get your frustration.

If you're desperate for a car that's friendly with the taxman when it comes to BIK, consider monthly rentals via ONTO, which specialises in long term electric car rentals, hence why they are so cheap.

It's unlikely we'll replace them. We already have a couple of EV Mazda run arounds that work so well it's a part of the reason we've decided to sell the Taycans. They just didn't work out for us at all.

The upside is it looks like it's cost us nothing / very little to find that out.

 

[aatothek]

I took delivery of this lovely looking car in early February and was absolutely delighted with it.

10 Days and less than 300 miles later it was being recovered to a Porsche Approved Repair specialist after I damaged a wheel.

Doesn't look too bad does it? Those two images above have lead to a close to £20,000 insurance claim.

So life with the Taycan 4S CT hasn’t gone as smooth as we were hoping.

I managed just under 300 miles in the first 10 days I had the car, then coming home from the gym one evening hit some debris/hardcore that had been washed into the road after heavy rain. Effectively I’ve heavily kerbed a wheel and there’s a tiny scuff on the bodywork. Annoying but it is what it is. The impact wasn’t enough for the tyre to deflate, so I drove home and all was good and continued using the car until I figured out what it was going cost to repair.

There’s a chunk out of the wheel rim and a bit out of the side wall of the tyre and a scuff on the rear wheel. So new front wheel and tyre and a refurb required on the rear. Well that’s what I thought.

Over the next few days I used the car normally and it drove completely normally, but I was a little worried about the small chunk of tyre missing so kept it to short journey's

So I looked at buying a new wheel/tyre – £2,500 for the front, plus a refurb on the rear plus a little bit of paint so at that point I’m making an insurance claim. That’s where things started to go wrong.

The car was recovered to one of the Porsche Approved repairers – M&A Coachworks, North London. They inspected the car and phoned me a few days later.

It needs a new wheel and tyre for the front, a new wheel and tyre for the rear (Porsche don’t allow refurbs and if you replace the wheel you have to replace the tyre also despite it being brand new and undamaged).

New lower front splitter, new wheel arch and indicator, paint to lower edge of front bumper.

Porsche insist that due to the nature of the impact the suspension strut and entire suspension assembly on the corner concerned are replaced as they are made from Aluminium and may be damaged.

As the steering rack is a sealed unit and non serviceable that also may be damaged and required replacement, as this is attached to the steering column which is a sealed unit and may be damaged that also requires replacement.

The strut mounting point then had to be stress/crack tested, the bodyshell then needs to be put on a jig for an alignment check. Total cost around £15,000 + vat.

All for what is effectively a kerbed wheel.

So I objected with the insurer who agreed to an independent inspection, two in fact. Neither of which displayed any damaged to any of the huge list of components that have been slated to be replaced.

I asked if they could replaced the front wheel/tyre, take the car to a Porsche OPC for inspection and alignment check to see if any extra work was required – of course the insurers were all for this, the accident repair centre weren’t and stated unless all the work was carried out that they’d deemed necessary the warranty on the car would be invalidated by Porsche based on their assessment as a Porsche Approved repair centre.

So here we are a month later and the work has been authorized and I get the car back about mid April. The reality is no longer want it back.

With loan car costs, recovery costs and two inspection costs we're at close to £20,000.

My business partners 4S saloon also left on the back of a low loader for the second time in three months last week. It just looks like we're not meant to have these cars. Between us we've not had an insurance claim/accident in 25 years then we have 3 in three months.

Effectively I can't drive this Taycan on the roads in and around where I live for fear of damaging it (my business partners saloon suffering the same fate). It simply can't deal with the road surface/pot holes in the way any of my other cars (or business partners cars) can. i.e. normally. If a kerbed wheel leads to a complete suspension change every time it happens "as a precuationary measure" these cars are very quickly going to become uninsurable.

I've driven all sorts of cars over the years and I've never been "scared" to drive anything through fear of damaging it. Same goes for my business partner. There are just so many occassions now when we both feel we simply can't use the Taycan that it's pointless keeping them.

So when they both arrive back from repair they will be going.

My first foray into Porsche ownership is going to be a short one and I'm unlikely to be visiting again. Which is a shame, these are lovely vehicles but I just can't own a car that I'm scared of driving through fear of damaging it through normal daily driving.

Terrible news OP and such a lovely car too.
This might have already been dealt with in the thread, but your comment on Porsche not allowing wheel refurbs isn't correct.
Due to the ever lengthening wait lists for my GTS, I picked up a showroom 4s from my local dealer as an interim solution.
It had 2500 miles and 2 scuffs on a rear jet black metallic mission e. These were repaired like new before I took ownership...
Just saying!

 

[12ACD]

Terrible news OP and such a lovely car too.
This might have already been dealt with in the thread, but your comment on Porsche not allowing wheel refurbs isn't correct.
Due to the ever lengthening wait lists for my GTS, I picked up a showroom 4s from my local dealer as an interim solution.
It had 2500 miles and 2 scuffs on a rear jet black metallic mission e. These were repaired like new before I took ownership...
Just saying!

The dealers can refurb wheels. The irony is though in the UK at least that dealers are not Porsche Approved Repairers (PAR's).

PARS are not allowed to refurb wheels on direct instruction for Porsche Germany.

Welcome to the whacky world of Porsche Ownership.

 

[aatothek]

Mental ?

 

[Dan1210]

What colour is that?

 

[aatothek]

Oak Green PTS iirc

 

[Ross]

I took delivery of this lovely looking car in early February and was absolutely delighted with it.

10 Days and less than 300 miles later it was being recovered to a Porsche Approved Repair specialist after I damaged a wheel.

Doesn't look too bad does it? Those two images above have lead to a close to £20,000 insurance claim.

So life with the Taycan 4S CT hasn’t gone as smooth as we were hoping.

I managed just under 300 miles in the first 10 days I had the car, then coming home from the gym one evening hit some debris/hardcore that had been washed into the road after heavy rain. Effectively I’ve heavily kerbed a wheel and there’s a tiny scuff on the bodywork. Annoying but it is what it is. The impact wasn’t enough for the tyre to deflate, so I drove home and all was good and continued using the car until I figured out what it was going cost to repair.

There’s a chunk out of the wheel rim and a bit out of the side wall of the tyre and a scuff on the rear wheel. So new front wheel and tyre and a refurb required on the rear. Well that’s what I thought.

Over the next few days I used the car normally and it drove completely normally, but I was a little worried about the small chunk of tyre missing so kept it to short journey's

So I looked at buying a new wheel/tyre – £2,500 for the front, plus a refurb on the rear plus a little bit of paint so at that point I’m making an insurance claim. That’s where things started to go wrong.

The car was recovered to one of the Porsche Approved repairers – M&A Coachworks, North London. They inspected the car and phoned me a few days later.

It needs a new wheel and tyre for the front, a new wheel and tyre for the rear (Porsche don’t allow refurbs and if you replace the wheel you have to replace the tyre also despite it being brand new and undamaged).

New lower front splitter, new wheel arch and indicator, paint to lower edge of front bumper.

Porsche insist that due to the nature of the impact the suspension strut and entire suspension assembly on the corner concerned are replaced as they are made from Aluminium and may be damaged.

As the steering rack is a sealed unit and non serviceable that also may be damaged and required replacement, as this is attached to the steering column which is a sealed unit and may be damaged that also requires replacement.

The strut mounting point then had to be stress/crack tested, the bodyshell then needs to be put on a jig for an alignment check. Total cost around £15,000 + vat.

All for what is effectively a kerbed wheel.

So I objected with the insurer who agreed to an independent inspection, two in fact. Neither of which displayed any damaged to any of the huge list of components that have been slated to be replaced.

I asked if they could replaced the front wheel/tyre, take the car to a Porsche OPC for inspection and alignment check to see if any extra work was required – of course the insurers were all for this, the accident repair centre weren’t and stated unless all the work was carried out that they’d deemed necessary the warranty on the car would be invalidated by Porsche based on their assessment as a Porsche Approved repair centre.

So here we are a month later and the work has been authorized and I get the car back about mid April. The reality is no longer want it back.

With loan car costs, recovery costs and two inspection costs we're at close to £20,000.

My business partners 4S saloon also left on the back of a low loader for the second time in three months last week. It just looks like we're not meant to have these cars. Between us we've not had an insurance claim/accident in 25 years then we have 3 in three months.

Effectively I can't drive this Taycan on the roads in and around where I live for fear of damaging it (my business partners saloon suffering the same fate). It simply can't deal with the road surface/pot holes in the way any of my other cars (or business partners cars) can. i.e. normally. If a kerbed wheel leads to a complete suspension change every time it happens "as a precuationary measure" these cars are very quickly going to become uninsurable.

I've driven all sorts of cars over the years and I've never been "scared" to drive anything through fear of damaging it. Same goes for my business partner. There are just so many occassions now when we both feel we simply can't use the Taycan that it's pointless keeping them.

So when they both arrive back from repair they will be going.

My first foray into Porsche ownership is going to be a short one and I'm unlikely to be visiting again. Which is a shame, these are lovely vehicles but I just can't own a car that I'm scared of driving through fear of damaging it through normal daily driving.

Absolutely gutted for you!
This might cheer you up!

I was driving in the Lake District and, feeling a bit hot I decided to take my hoody off.
While driving! ******* idiot!
I got tangled up and absolutely SMASHED into the kerb at 50mph.
I still shudder at the thought 6/12 later.

I pulled over in a lay-by soon after.

Ironically, before anyone else says, a perfect place to take off a hoody!

BIG scuff front wheel. Small back wheel.
Like you NO(!) tyre damage!
Had 60 miles to go.
Carried on cautiously.
Absolutely no disruption to tracking or steering. No pulling or wobbling.
That Air suspension is amazing at soaking up drama. Plus a bit of luck!?

Here is where our stories differ however.
I am a tight northerner with a massive insurance XS so it never occurred to me to claim or involve my OPC.

A mate of a mate came to my work in a van and repaired both wheels for £120.

6 months and 3000 miles later original tyres and wheels all perfect. Driving and handling perfectly!

This is a good reason to NOT take the official Porsche Alloy wheel insurance. If they say “Oh dear, that looks more serious than a quick scuff repair” it might go down your road which is a world of hurt.

Commiserations again.

When your company sells the Taycans you need to offset the enormous corporate tax bill by buying more Taycans! Stick to 20 inch wheels ( there are some lovely CT 20s) and stay away from your OPC and insurance parasites if you get any
more wheel damage!

After all, a Mazda is a Mazda.
A Porsche is a Porsche!

 

[12ACD]

Absolutely gutted for you!
This might cheer you up!

I was driving in the Lake District and, feeling a bit hot I decided to take my hoody off.
While driving! ******* idiot!
I got tangled up and absolutely SMASHED into the kerb at 50mph.
I still shudder at the thought 6/12 later.

I pulled over in a lay-by soon after.

Ironically, before anyone else says, a perfect place to take off a hoody!

BIG scuff front wheel. Small back wheel.
Like you NO(!) tyre damage!
Had 60 miles to go.
Carried on cautiously.
Absolutely no disruption to tracking or steering. No pulling or wobbling.
That Air suspension is amazing at soaking up drama. Plus a bit of luck!?

Here is where our stories differ however.
I am a tight northerner with a massive insurance XS so it never occurred to me to claim or involve my OPC.

A mate of a mate came to my work in a van and repaired both wheels for £120.

6 months and 3000 miles later original tyres and wheels all perfect. Driving and handling perfectly!

This is a good reason to NOT take the official Porsche Alloy wheel insurance. If they say “Oh dear, that looks more serious than a quick scuff repair” it might go down your road which is a world of hurt.

Commiserations again.

When your company sells the Taycans you need to offset the enormous corporate tax bill by buying more Taycans! Stick to 20 inch wheels ( there are some lovely CT 20s) and stay away from your OPC and insurance parasites if you get any
more wheel damage!

After all, a Mazda is a Mazda.
A Porsche is a Porsche!

I've had a couple of owners state similar stories. The work to my car is absurd and I've lodged a formal complaint with the insurers and with Porsche, neither of which will likely go anywhere. Its the principal though.

It is what it is now for both our cars. (Both are currently off the road). So they'll both be sold on once repaired.

It is worth noting, the supplying dealer also thinks this is absurd. Dealers are not Approved Repairers. They are all third party outsourced accident repair centres.

The only car I'm interested in replacing this with is a Ferrari FF, that will have to be outside the business. I expect that to be a delicate moneypit though. I wasn't expecting a new Porsche to be.

This was the first Porsche I was genuinely interested in, they sell nothing else I'd buy, so it's likely to be my first and last.

We also never managed to own them long enough to actually claim the tax offset to start with. As we're being currently offered over list it's not proving to be an issue of cost.

 

[12ACD]

Car finally returned today.......with a damaged wheel still on it.

What a shambles.

 

[nickmdp]

Car finally returned today.......with a damaged wheel still on it.

What a shambles.

Well that's an interesting turn. Did they do any of the other work they wanted to do? Maybe Porsche started poking around at the repairer in question and they're just trying to pretend it never happened?

 

[f1eng]

The only car I'm interested in replacing this with is a Ferrari FF, that will have to be outside the business. I expect that to be a delicate moneypit though.

I have been a Ferrari owner for 25 years and have never had any expense outside regular servicing (which is reassuringly expensive) and zero breakdowns.

 

[12ACD]

Car being collected again so they fit the wheel they have waiting to go on it. Turns out they forgot to fit it.

Gives me great confidence wondering what else they forgot.

 

[Ross]

I think the ‘money pit’ reference is to the legendary, eye watering depreciation of a front engine Ferrari!
?
Good luck!

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