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[ssim]

For me that would approach would have never worked since I knew exactly what I wanted. I find it hard to imagine someone looking for an ST switching to go to a sedan, since usually people go for ST because they need the rear hatch, not because they prefer the look of it. I can see maybe switching someone to a CT. That said, I didn't realize there are so many GTS sedans on the market nowadays that they require a bait-and-switch to sell, rather than just posting the sedan for sale. Market is changing quickly.

I wouldn’t say the bait & switch is required to sell these cars; it’s just a tactic some stores use to gain sales leads. You never know, sometimes people call-in, find out the car is sold, but weeks later the same trim is available…At least that SA has the client’s info and can give them a call.

GTS (and even 4S/Turbo/Turbo S) are still very difficult to find (inventory or allocation)…I will speak more to this when I write my 2022 recap and 2023 outlook based on my experiences and what I’ve been told by my SA!

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[whitex]

I wouldn’t say the bait & switch is required to sell these cars; it’s just a tactic some stores use to gain sales leads. You never know, sometimes people call-in, find out the car is sold, but weeks later the same trim is available…At least that SA has the client’s info and can give them a call.

GTS (and even 4S/Turbo/Turbo S) are still very difficult to find (inventory or allocation)…I will speak more to this when I write my 2022 recap and 2023 outlook based on my experiences and what I’ve been told by my SA!

I gave a number of SAs my contact info when looking for a Turbo CT, no bait and switch necessary - I cold called them. Some by the way didn't even want my contact info as they told me straight up they were not willing to sell outside of their state or even just zip code, but were still pleasant to talk to. One did contact me 6 months later about a Turbo sedan, which I passed on but thanked him for reaching out. Another contacted me a maybe 10 months later with a Turbo S CT allocation, but wanted a decent ADM on it, which combined with the higher trim price and fact that I really didn't want ceramic brakes or powered charge port, was a non starter, but I still appreciated the call. Neither SA was obnoxious or pushy. I appreciated the opportunities to buy a car even though I chose not to participate.

 

[Teufel Hund]

Everything about this post is wrong.

Successful people can have time and not have time. Nobody set it in stone or made the rule with how much time “successful” people have.

This member @ssim has been nothing short of amazing for members here, me and as well as other friends. Forums need people like this who genuinely would love to help the community and are sincere. Without him I don’t know half the stuff I know along with pointing me in the right direction.

let’s keep it positive and praise members like him not bring along this talk of a “charade”. If you got nothing positive to contribute don’t say anything at all especially to a thread that’s helping people.

+1 on the above. I’m also one of the members that @ssim has been extremely helpful to. Sam assisted with me getting on a waitlist and sure to his word I was offered an allocation at MSRP after waiting several months. During this time period Sam reached out several times to provide updates and timelines. I have zero reason to not take Sam at his word nor have I seen any evidence of a charade. Contrary to some people’s belief…….. there are actually nice people out there.

 

[ssim]

Edit: GTS Allocation Sold!

 

[ssim]

Hi Everyone!

In honor of my thread's 200th post ?, I wanted to write a 2022 Taycan allocation recap and 2023 outlook, based on my experiences and opinions I apologize for the long read.

In 2022, I think it's fair to say that Taycan (and pretty much all Porsche models) experienced very high demand. The beginning of the year felt a bit RWD heavy in terms of actual orders placed; I received a lot of PM's about people wanting to place RWD orders, and my SA generally had an allocation available (usually just 1-2 at any given time). In summer, demand for RWD remained strong, but my SA no longer had an allocation on-hand. In fact, there was a bit of a dry spell where no allocations or incoming cars (no matter the trim) were available. People were forced to place order demands and wait, though the wait for RWD was typically shorter than the other trims. Because of its price point, RWD will continue to be popular.

Looking at the year as a whole, I received the most PM's about people wanting to place 4S and GTS orders. In 2022, my SA barely received 4S allocations...though he received slightly more GTS allocations. I unfortunately don't have exact numbers (or an exact ratio), but there were definitely more GTS allocations and bonus units. After releasing a GTS trim, Porsche tends to push those models on dealers a bit more, partly because (I believe) they have higher margins for PAG, partly because they're new. These GTS allocations largely became available in Q4, a positive sign of more allocations to flow through.

In 2023, I believe that ordering a RWD will become a fair amount easier. Contingent on more cars being allocated to dealers nationwide, I think that the dealers charging ADM for RWD will likely return to sticker. No shocker here. My SA currently has one open RWD slot, and I feel we're in a similar position as mentioned above (where demand for RWD is strong--though not as strong as 2022--and my SA generally has 1-2 open RWD allocations on-hand).

I believe that 4S and GTS will continue to be difficult to order new at MSRP or find new at MSRP (in a nice spec) on a dealer lot. This doesn't mean it'll be as difficult as it is now, but I'd be surprised to see my SA sit on a bunch of open 4S and GTS allocations. All CTs, Turbo, & Turbo S will continue to be difficult too. Still, I expect more allocations to become available overall, which will help satisfy demand and shorten lists. I will likely receive a high number of requests for 4S/GTS in 2023 as a I did in 2022. Dealers in hot markets will likely still ask for ADMs for 4S and GTS; if the flow of new 4S/GTS isn't adequate, there's more incentive for a dealer asking ADM to sit on the car and wait for someone to pay.

If Taycan is indeed refreshed for MY24, especially if range is improved, demand will likely surge again. It'll be fun to see how that all plays out. If the refresh comes sooner than expected, we may never see a true return to equilibrium (where hot markets sell mainly at MSRP and lists are shorter) for 2023 4S/GTS.

Outlook Recap: RWD - will become easier to get in 2023 but discounts won't return; 4S/GTS - will remain difficult, but slightly easier; Turbo/Turbo S - is and will continue to remain difficult because they make so few...those who want a Turbo/Turbo S have to wait.

The most difficult trim to get is the GTS ST. I haven't seen an allocation for one become available at all this year. It is important to note that 4S/Turbo/Turbo S can be ordered as CT or Sedan if you receive the allocation early enough; I believe there's a short window where the dealer can choose either. CT4 and GTS ST are allocated separately. If I had to guess, the GTS Sedan to ST ratio is 8:1.
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For those who care about other Porsches:
In regards to other Porsche models, I feel that Cayenne, Macan, and Panamera have largely returned to normal, though supply chain issues continue to plague production (and cause annoying option constraints). Ordering a 992 or 718 is still very difficult. People are willing to pay ADM to get into sports cars, and I really don't expect that to change. However, prices on the used-side will soften, as they are for all cars. Porsche will likely soon launch 992.2, and as I mentioned as a possibility for Taycan, we probably won't witness a return to equilibrium for 992.1...an equilibrium where you can walk into a store and secure an open C2S or CGTS slot at MSRP. Instead, we'll just turn the page to 992.2...
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A Quick Thank-You:
A couple weeks will mark my one-year anniversary on TaycanForum! I would be remiss to not acknowledge the kindness and support I have received from everyone on here. Thank you all so much I'm not a SA, nor am I compensated by anyone. I'm a passionate Porsche person who's always happy to spread the gospel of the brand. I've always been interested in analyzing the car market, and I believe the Porsche ordering/purchasing process to be one of the most special in existence, even if the delays and constraints are tiring. Communities like TaycanForum contribute to my belief that Porsche is the best car manufacturer on Earth.

 

[ssim]

Please read the post above this one (post #200) for allocation information & outlook.

In the upcoming days, I plan to speak with my SA to see what he has available in terms of allocations and inbound/landed units. I think there is currently an available inbound GTS Sedan @ MSRP, and you're welcome to PM to see the full spec. I'm going to think of a way to efficiently keep track and share available cars here, besides a traditional thread post...I'm leaning towards a Google Spreadsheet.

In the meantime, if you're interested in placing an order for a Taycan or another Porsche (no matter the trim), you're always welcome to PM me! My SA sells Taycan/Cayenne/Macan/Panamera at MSRP; I'd have to inquire with him for 992/718. I'll connect you with an SA who inputs order demands with no deposit required until he has an allocation for you.

I'm also happy to add you to my own spreadsheet & share any available units as they are shared with me

 

[ssim]

Happy Saturday, Everyone!

I had some extra time today, so I created a relatively simple spreadsheet to list the available Taycans I mention on this thread. It's in my signature and linked here. There is notably a bonus Taycan GTS Sedan allocation available at MSRP; it was given to my SA yesterday!

As mentioned in my 200th post, I'm hoping more Taycan allocations flow through to my SA soon. The best way to secure something is with an order demand placed now, with no deposit required until there's an actual allocation available. A lucky friend on here just received his GTS ST allocation after placing an order demand months back and patiently waiting!

 

[ssim]

A great friend just took delivery of a Taycan RWD I had previously mentioned on here...It's Solid White with Paint-Matched Mission E Rims and White PSCBs. A stunning combo!

I wanted to post a pic here in case someone is on the fence about ordering this particular spec. It really is one of the nicest I've seen come through.

 

[ssim]

It seems the $7,500 rebate might be back for Porsche Taycan and E-Hybrids if one elects to lease the vehicle. I don't want to turn this thread into an argument on the merits of leasing vs financing, but I wanted to bring this to the community's attention (it is also mentioned on another thread). I'm not sure if this is something permanent, but it seems that Porsche Financial is exploiting a loophole, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it go away.

If you have secured low-rate financing, that's probably still the best move. Otherwise, I'd consider a lease through PFS to receive the rebate...and refinancing into a traditional loan after 3+ payments. This requires more effort and time, of course.

 

[whitex]

It seems the $7,500 rebate might be back for Porsche Taycan and E-Hybrids if one elects to lease the vehicle. I don't want to turn this thread into an argument on the merits of leasing vs financing, but I wanted to bring this to the community's attention (it is also mentioned on another thread). I'm not sure if this is something permanent, but it seems that Porsche Financial is exploiting a loophole, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it go away.

If you have secured low-rate financing, that's probably still the best move. Otherwise, I'd consider a lease through PFS to receive the rebate...and refinancing into a traditional loan after 3+ payments. This requires more effort and time, of course.

If you'd like a car now to take advantage of the rebate while it's still available, please PM me, and I'll check to see if my SA has any landed or imminent inbound units available.

Do you have any details on the loophole?

Also, does Porsche have any limits on the down payment and residuals? $1 residual value and 99.9% down payment would be of interest for me if the $7,500 rebate applies. I once did a Toyota least with $100 residual instead of a loan to take advantage of special lease interest rates. When I tried this with Tesla, they had min residual and max down payment.

 

[ssim]

Do you have any details on the loophole?

Also, does Porsche have any limits on the down payment and residuals? $1 residual value and 99.9% down payment would be of interest for me if the $7,500 rebate applies. I once did a Toyota least with $100 residual instead of a loan to take advantage of special lease interest rates. When I tried this with Tesla, they had min residual and max down payment.

I do not have any details, unfortunately.

Residuals and Money Factors are set by the bank, though the dealer will likely mark-up the money factor. I don't think there's a max down payment, but in most states, you pay taxes on cap reduction (aka down payment), so that may not be the wisest move.

Given the Porsche money factor is so high, my tactic here would be to lease and get the rebate as a way to lower the cap cost of the vehicle, as that's what factors into your payoff (payoff is typically the cap cost of the car less principal you've paid), then just pay for the vehicle in cash or refinance into a lower rate traditional loan.

 

[whitex]

I don't think there's a max down payment, but in most states, you pay taxes on cap reduction (aka down payment), so that may not be the wisest move.

If I plan to buy it anyways I will pay taxes on the whole price anyways, so doesn't matter. The only reason why do a large down payment though would be to avoid paying interest but still take advantage of the $7,500 rebate. Similar to what you said about paying off the lease right away (note that you'd pay taxes on the buyout price a that point, so whatever taxes you saved on cap reduction you pay here), except goes around early termination fees (most leases I had had a penalty if it was paid off within the first year).

The reason to do a lease with $1 residual (if allowed) is if the interest rate is lower on lease than a loan. Down payment in this case is whatever you'd put down on a loan - your payments will be lower and at the end you buy the car for $1. A lease with $0 residual is essentially a loan, with the only difference being that you pay taxes on interest with a lease and interest on taxes with a loan. If the interest rate and tax percentage are the same throughout the term, they are the exact same amount of taxes.

 

[ssim]

If I plan to buy it anyways I will pay taxes on the whole price anyways, so doesn't matter.

Yup, very true. You're 100% correct! I meant it more out of precautionary measure, as people usually advise against putting a substantial cap reduction upfront for leases. If the car is totaled on day two, things can get a little tricky / stuck in limbo, but I digress.

PFS (I think) doesn't charge an early termination penalties, even if the lease is paid off after 2 payments. There might be a disposition fee, but no penalties for buying out early.
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Please read post #204 for important information regarding the $7,500 rebate for Porsche Taycan and E-Hybrids. If you'd like a car now to take advantage of the rebate while it's still available, please PM me, and I'll check to see if my SA has any landed or imminent inbound units available.

 

[ssim]

Please excuse this slight digression from my normal posts...I just really love Cayennes

For those interested in other Porsches, especially the Cayenne E-Hybrid, this may be an interesting read: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42487659/2024-porsche-cayenne-prototype-drive/.

They’re claiming the refreshed 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid will have a much larger battery pack and an EV range of ~30-ish miles. The refreshed 2024 Cayenne S will have a V8, which I find to be an interesting change. The new interior will include components from Taycan, like the curved instrument cluster. I imagine this new E-Hybrid tech will eventually find its way to the refreshed Panamera.

We own a 2021 Cayenne E-H and a 2022 Taycan CT4. They’re both so amazing in their own ways! I’d buy a Cayenne or Taycan any day over their respective competitors. If you‘re interested in getting on a list for a refreshed Cayenne (I think first cars will land Q4 2023), Macan EV (a car I’m looking forward to ordering myself!), or a Taycan (no matter the trim), you’re always welcome to PM for my SA’s info. No deposit required until there’s an allocation.

 

[ssim]

Edit: Please see latest post for available Taycans.

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