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[W1NGE]

I suspect with a bit of 'tweaking' it won't be that bad and will just lose some bottom end (no sub) plus you could save £900+.

Despite the quietness of the Taycan tyre roar is noticeable once you are accustomed to the car in general.

I'm hedging that this won't be as bad as it sounds (no pun intended) and that supplies will recover to some degree.

I mentioned earlier that I'm resigned to another year (worst case) but if the spec is changing and I get my allocation sooner then I might let it slide another quarter to ensure I get a MY24 at the very least. I'm not an audiophile by any means but do appreciate the elevated performance of the Bose and would miss it - Radio 4 just wouldn't be the same!

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[Cooler]

I have no competence or knowledge in this area, but first result that came in google is a upgrade of 4k, results (claimed) is better than Burmester, and quite neat installation.

https://carhomestereo.co.uk/electric-porsche-taycan-audio-upgrade/

 

[f1eng]

What do you have at home out of curiosity? I have a full Linn set up after many years (and 14 boxes at one point) on the Naim upgrade path.

It was a full Goldmund system but I replaced the amp with a Devialet a long time back now, so:

Goldmund Reference TT with T3f arm and Ortofon A90 ( I have 3 other turntables too but sold my LP12 decades ago)

Goldmund Mimesis 36+ CD transport. I have lots of others from dCS, Resolution Audio, Chord and so on but I use the Goldmund)

Lynx Theta tuner ( actually a Magnum Dynalab tuner in a Lynx box)

I have multiple streaming systems and have tried others but have gone back to mostly CD and LP.

Devialet Original d'Atelier amp.

Goldmund Epilog speakers.

I have other systems in bedroom and study, but this is the main one.

I have an off the wall horn system too:-

 

[whitex]

I don't think there is a clear answer and each country / region will have different rules.

Manufacturers generally own the right to make changes to specifications as and when (it will be in the small print of any order documentation) and now pre-empted on the configurator with the following:

I would also expect the seller / dealer to bring these to your attention also (if not and you are blissfully unaware of changes then you'd be on a firmer footing).

Not sure if this is a classic case of 'buyer beware' (caveat emptor) but Porsche are making it 'clearer' that specifications whether standard or not can and will likely change.

As long as there is a form of compensation or remediation then I don't think you'll have a cast iron position. You can usually just walk away and forgo your deposit if it comes to it but there are plenty of other customers who 'need' a car and will simply compromise whilst you join the back of the queue.

Why would you have to forego the deposit? If the car you ordered is not possible to deliver, you should be able to just walk away from the deal. No manufacturer should deliver a different product than ordered and expect to keep any deposits if buyer doesn't want it. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Bose? Performance battery? Color? Drive-train? Wheels? Interior? Trim?

The warning you showed to me means they may not be able to deliver what shows in the configurator, but not that you must buy whatever they deliver or lose your deposit.

 

[f1eng]

Why would you have to forego the deposit? If the car you ordered is not possible to deliver, you should be able to just walk away from the deal. No manufacturer should deliver a different product than ordered and expect to keep any deposits if buyer doesn't want it. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Bose? Performance battery? Color? Drive-train? Wheels? Interior? Trim?

The warning you showed to me means they may not be able to deliver what shows in the configurator, but not that you must buy whatever they deliver or lose your deposit.

The legal obligation from manufacturers and dealers varies depending on the consumer laws in the country in question.

Usually EU laws have better consumer protection than most.

 

[W1NGE]

I have no competence or knowledge in this area, but first result that came in google is a upgrade of 4k, results (claimed) is better than Burmester, and quite neat installation.

https://carhomestereo.co.uk/electric-porsche-taycan-audio-upgrade/

£4K - I really don't think so plus they'd tear my car apart and I'd lose valuable trunk / boot space for storing my public charge cable, tyre inflator, cleaning stuff etc!

 

[TaycanHero]

It was a full Goldmund system but I replaced the amp with a Devialet a long time back now, so:

Goldmund Reference TT with T3f arm and Ortofon A90 ( I have 3 other turntables too but sold my LP12 decades ago)

Goldmund Mimesis 36+ CD transport. I have lots of others from dCS, Resolution Audio, Chord and so on but I use the Goldmund)

Lynx Theta tuner ( actually a Magnum Dynalab tuner in a Lynx box)

I have multiple streaming systems and have tried others but have gone back to mostly CD and LP.

Devialet Original d'Atelier amp.

Goldmund Epilog speakers.

I have other systems in bedroom and study, but this is the main one.

I have an off the wall horn system too:-

Incredible! My most recent audio purchase was a pair of $1500 IEMs, and another pair at $1000 that have no crossover and are more ergonomic. Higher price = more drivers = better sound in theory. My aftermarket cable collection is also becoming a guilty pleasure.

Is it all worth the price?

Both IEMs are incredible, but it's all marginal gains - a bit like F1 ?

 

[G7SUM]

It was a full Goldmund system but I replaced the amp with a Devialet a long time back now, so:

Goldmund Reference TT with T3f arm and Ortofon A90 ( I have 3 other turntables too but sold my LP12 decades ago)

Goldmund Mimesis 36+ CD transport. I have lots of others from dCS, Resolution Audio, Chord and so on but I use the Goldmund)

Lynx Theta tuner ( actually a Magnum Dynalab tuner in a Lynx box)

I have multiple streaming systems and have tried others but have gone back to mostly CD and LP.

Devialet Original d'Atelier amp.

Goldmund Epilog speakers.

I have other systems in bedroom and study, but this is the main one.

I have an off the wall horn system too:-

Very impressive system indeed sir. Turntable is beautiful! Reminds me of the SME turntable a good friend of mine had.
My biggest regret was giving up my turntable over fear of my little ones destroying it.(LP12)
I went down the minimalist route around 8 years ago. Everything streamed now via Tidal or from my Innuos Zen.

My Linn system comprises of the Klimax Exakt DSM & Akubarik Exakt Active Speakers which house the power amplification. Also added an Innuos Zen II to replace the Netgear NAS drive.

 

[kempez]

To be honest: replacing a set of speakers in a car is pretty easy and there are many good options. The Amp/sub are a little more challenging, but can be nicely retrofitted either at home, or by any reputable car audio firm.

 

[W1NGE]

Why would you have to forego the deposit? If the car you ordered is not possible to deliver, you should be able to just walk away from the deal. No manufacturer should deliver a different product than ordered and expect to keep any deposits if buyer doesn't want it. Otherwise where do you draw the line? Bose? Performance battery? Color? Drive-train? Wheels? Interior? Trim?

The warning you showed to me means they may not be able to deliver what shows in the configurator, but not that you must buy whatever they deliver or lose your deposit.

Depends on where you live etc., conditions of sale and so on - hardly unique to the motor industry.

The argument could be that 'as you've bought a frozen berry T4S with python green leather' which is very "unique" to you I will not be able to easily sell it. I can either withhold your deposit, return it out of goodwill or return it if someone buys the car.

There are many, many ways for a dealer to wriggle out of this but on the basis that Porsche are making people aware who will in all probability be compensated then at a minimum you will have a choice - take it as delivered or decline and 9.99 times out of 10 get your deposit back.

What do you do then - re-order and wait another 1+ years, buy 2nd hand, go for a different model / manufacturer which likely will have similar supply shortcomings plus a long lead time?

For now the impact is mostly options with an electronic component which are impacted and so colour etc are highly unlikely to be an issue. Pieces of trim have been (Racetex B-Pillar) but these are replaceable parts and easy to replace when the part becomes available again and therefore not a deal breaker for most. Anything that would give rise to a Stop Sale (mandatory piece of equipment e.g. TPMS) until the car could be 'completed' and delivered to the customer would be a different scenario.

One has to be careful here not to cut off their nose to spite their face especially given the long lead times to start the ordering process afresh.

 

[f1eng]

Incredible! My most recent audio purchase was a pair of $1500 IEMs, and another pair at $1000 that have no crossover and are more ergonomic. Higher price = more drivers = better sound in theory. My aftermarket cable collection is also becoming a guilty pleasure.

Is it all worth the price?

Both IEMs are incredible, but it's all marginal gains - a bit like F1 ?

I have always been suspicious of multiple drivers in ear buds. How are they integrated and since a crossover network in a speaker is bigger than a book how do they include an adequate one inside such a small thing?

A mystery!
Personally I now only listen to ear buds rarely and since also in a noisy environment like bus or train I now use wireless ones for the convenience rather than the super high quality ones I useds when I was on a 'plane for work every week

 

[W1NGE]

Incredible! My most recent audio purchase was a pair of $1500 IEMs, and another pair at $1000 that have no crossover and are more ergonomic. Higher price = more drivers = better sound in theory. My aftermarket cable collection is also becoming a guilty pleasure.

Is it all worth the price?

Both IEMs are incredible, but it's all marginal gains - a bit like F1 ?

I have one word Frank for this, 'blimey'!

I doubt you'll get this kit in the back of your T4SCT and would be more at home in a RR Cullinan!

P.S. The turntable is a thing of beauty to which the LP12 can hold no candle.

 

[f1eng]

Very impressive system indeed sir. Turntable is beautiful! Reminds me of the SME turntable a good friend of mine had.
My biggest regret was giving up my turntable over fear of my little ones destroying it.(LP12)
I went down the minimalist route around 8 years ago. Everything streamed now via Tidal or from my Innuos Zen.

My Linn system comprises of the Klimax Exakt DSM & Akubarik Exakt Active Speakers which house the power amplification. Also added an Innuos Zen II to replace the Netgear NAS drive.

Looks lovely, my music room is an untidy man-cave my wife rarely sits in!

5 or 6 yeqrs ago one of the Linn engineers demonstrated the Exact code to a bunch of engineers, myself included, using it to correct the phase and frequency response of a kit speaker (ie non-Linn) in stages demonstrating the effect on the sound using a rock track and a "classical" (actually a Gilbert and Sullivan comic opera) recording.

It was informative to hear the incremental improvements as resonances notched out and phase corrected.
One thing I really noticed was that the improvements stood out more on the G&S than the rock track, probably because it was an older recording with few microphones rather than the modern multi-track jobs that lose all phase coherence.

Anyway, this is getting slightly OT

 

[G7SUM]

Looks lovely, my music room is an untidy man-cave my wife rarely sits in!

5 or 6 yeqrs ago one of the Linn engineers demonstrated the Exact code to a bunch of engineers, myself included, using it to correct the phase and frequency response of a kit speaker (ie non-Linn) in stages demonstrating the effect on the sound using a rock track and a "classical" (actually a Gilbert and Sullivan comic opera) recording.

It was informative to hear the incremental improvements as resonances notched out and phase corrected.
One thing I really noticed was that the improvements stood out more on the G&S than the rock track, probably because it was an older recording with few microphones rather than the modern multi-track jobs that lose all phase coherence.

Anyway, this is getting slightly OT

Agreed Frank - more at home @ an appropriate Audiophile forum

 

[whitex]

Depends on where you live etc., conditions of sale and so on - hardly unique to the motor industry.

The argument could be that 'as you've bought a frozen berry T4S with python green leather' which is very "unique" to you I will not be able to easily sell it. I can either withhold your deposit, return it out of goodwill or return it if someone buys the car.

There are many, many ways for a dealer to wriggle out of this but on the basis that Porsche are making people aware who will in all probability be compensated then at a minimum you will have a choice - take it as delivered or decline and 9.99 times out of 10 get your deposit back.

What do you do then - re-order and wait another 1+ years, buy 2nd hand, go for a different model / manufacturer which likely will have similar supply shortcomings plus a long lead time?

For now the impact is mostly options with an electronic component which are impacted and so colour etc are highly unlikely to be an issue. Pieces of trim have been (Racetex B-Pillar) but these are replaceable parts and easy to replace when the part becomes available again and therefore not a deal breaker for most. Anything that would give rise to a Stop Sale (mandatory piece of equipment e.g. TPMS) until the car could be 'completed' and delivered to the customer would be a different scenario.

One has to be careful here not to cut off their nose to spite their face especially given the long lead times to start the ordering process afresh.

You are absolutely correct in that it depends on your legal jurisdiction. You are also correct in saying that all aspects of the issues should be considered when making a decision. I was simply saying that while I understand the supply chain shortages, buyers should always have the option to back out with their deposits intact, not that they should always take that option. There are always things which can make things a deal breaker, though sometimes the line may not be clear. Imagine you car shows up and dealer says they need to charge you an extra $1 or take your deposit back. No brainer, right? $10, still no brainer? $100, $1,000, $10,000, $100,000? Where is the line at which you ask for your deposit back, despite knowing you'd have to wait another year or longer for another opportunity? I suspect this line is different for different people (hence different ADMs in the marketplace today), and the same goes for missing options.

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