Cayenne EV First-Drive Reviews Are Here

[chun]

The only reason the motor has that is because there is no gearbox, so it needs the additional cooling to go 260km/h without the gearbox. It's not better, it's the same PPE motor.

IDGAF about screens in a car, if I primarily wanted that, I would drive a Tesla Plaid.
The whole magic of the Taycan is in the suspension.


You have to recognize what is an improvement, what is an eventuality and what is done just because money was saved elsewhere. The gearbox is expensive, so they saved money by making the motor operate at higher RPM, and it's still slower because the gear ratio is between the 1st and 2nd gear of the Taycan. That's why the Turbo S is faster with significantly less power than the new Cayenne with all the improved stuff.


Yet I am sure the Denza suspension is complete shit. At least every BYD I have driven the suspension is piss poor.


Great logic, let's take an 6 year old car and shit on it
Even the facelift is over 2 years old. What was there comparable 2 years ago that you could buy in Europe? I don't care about a mythical unicorn somewhere that is unavailable.


If you don't care about the handling and the suspension, then it's not the car for you. For soccer moms there are many other cars, that have a lot of interior space.
To even complain about the space in the Taycan means not understanding anything at all about car development or suspension geometry. Of course a little is also sacrificed so it does not look like shit.
Also, I don't "think" it is a 911 with 4 doors. It's designed exactly to be that. That's why it's 5 meters long and almost 2 meters wide. It's the only reason. If you drop that requirement, then it would be a much smaller car with the same amount of space. It would drive nothing like it does though.

The first car that is coming that might make the Taycan obsolete is the AMG GT EV. Though of course the "interior space" will "suck" there as well. Better buy a SUV

As for VWAG, PPE Evo is coming and the new e-tron GT and Taycan will be based on that, expect something in 2029 if they don't cancel it.
Whether it will be competitive or not with what the market offers I have no idea.

So you are saying that the cayenne is not technolgically more competitive than the taycan, because it doesn't handle like a 911 So let's agree to disagree

Somehow you think newer better chemistry = a compromise; newer SOFTWARE stack = bigger screen; better cooling = compromise. And i disagree, and so would most people going in south of italy in summer at 48 degrees outside fast charging. By that logic, iphone 16 is not better technologically than an iphone 1, as it doesn't open the phone app faster, and it's just a bigger screen, right?

Lucid suspension, despite being only on springs, somehow managed to handle just as good as a j1.1 turbo s and have great interior space, they must be black magicians i guess, since we all know, good handling can be achived only be having shit interior space.

A 4 door sedan is a 4 door sedan and should offer adequete space, and taycan fails at that - it is not ment to be a track car.

I am not SHITTING on a 6 year old car, all I am saying is that it's not competitive in the market anymore, and the cayenne with all its "comporimises" as you call it, is more competitive than it and keeps up with offerings from BMW, lucid and some chinese brands.

Stop repeating the same point all over. The cayenne is not ment to compete with the taycan on a track or in handling. I am comparing their tech, and how competitive that tech is on the market.

Sponsored

 

[prj]

So you are saying that the cayenne is not technolgically more competitive than the taycan, because it doesn't handle like a 911 So let's agree to disagree

It's a completely different car. If you are in the market for an SUV then there's a huge amount to choose from.

Somehow you think newer better chemistry = a compromise; newer SOFTWARE stack = bigger screen; better cooling = compromise. And i disagree, and so would most people going in south of italy in summer at 48 degrees outside fast charging. By that logic, iphone 16 is not better technologically than an iphone 1, as it doesn't open the phone app faster, and it's just a bigger screen, right?

The "software stack" that you feel on that is literally a bigger screen. And then there are less modules in the car to ... drumroll... keep the cost down.
Sure the chemistry is better - does it matter ? no. For long distance the Taycan is better due to superior efficiency.
For cooling - that's all your assumptions that it works so much better. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. The Cayenne is a different car and has different requirements for cooling, as I already showed you with the rear motor. They needed that purely to get the high RPM and the high top speed in conjunction with the very high power, because PPE platform is not designed for a gearbox. If they had a gearbox in there, they would not need the special cooling.

A 4 door sedan is a 4 door sedan and should offer adequete space, and taycan fails at that - it is not ment to be a track car.

It is designed as a track car. One can argue whether that was a reasonable decision for Porsche considering the weight of the car, but that is why it is the way it is, and it seems a lot of people like it.
I am not sure why you ever bought a Taycan and not a Tesla Plaid though, since that checks all your boxes. It has much better interior space and it's even faster than everything except the Turbo GT.

I am not SHITTING on a 6 year old car, all I am saying is that it's not competitive in the market anymore

No shit sherlock. Of course a 6 year old car is not competitive with a 0day car. With EV's even a 3 year old car is not "competitive" with the latest model that comes out.
And then when you buy one of the current "competitive" cars in 5 years they will also be yesterday's news.

and the cayenne with all its "comporimises" as you call it, is more competitive than it and keeps up with offerings from BMW, lucid and some chinese brands.

How exactly does it "keep up"? It's efficiency is worse than the competitors, the infotainment is worse. The only thing that is better is the badge, the suspension (if you get PAR), and the power if you pay 200k for it.

I am comparing their tech, and how competitive that tech is on the market.

You are comparing two things that are not comparable. A completely pointless comparison.
Like comparing a Porsche 911 with a Toyota Prius.

The Taycan could have easily been designed with 2 doors as well, but they decided to do 4. It does not change what they did there though.
And I don't want any comparisons with grocery getters. Simply because those people who want the jacked up grocery getter are not the target audience for the Taycan. So for them the Cayenne might as well not exist.

What is much more interesting is the AMG GT, but it's not even out yet, and it better destroy the Taycan in every metric, though I have a suspicion the suspension might not be as good.

Finally, a stiff steel suspension is shit for a car that you also want to drive normally, the whole thing about the Taycan is that it has a very sporty suspension with great handling while having the ride comfort of an S class. Well unless you get a GTS on 21" without PAR. That's a different type of experience

 

[chun]

You entirely miss the point. There’s also less modules in the car because the modules are more powerful and can run more things.


Anyway, let’s just agree to disagree. You are repeating the same point over and over when nobody is arguing that point.

I never claimed Cayenne handles better than taycan.

The tech in the Cayenne ev is better than the one in the taycan, objectively. That’s all I said. And you can disagree all you want, but when I went to see the car split in half, the engineers said it’s far superior and more robust.

The better cooling is not a “maybe”. It’s fact.
The better chemistry is not a “maybe”. It’s fact.
The fact that the motor needed more cooling doesn’t change the fact that is does have better cooling.

The infotainment in the Cayenne is just as responsive as the ix3. It does keep up with its competition on that tech front.

The charging curve is very similar to the ix3, so it keeps up with the completion on that front in terms of tech.


Now go argue in a mirror with yourself about how the taycan handles better than the Cayenne, I don’t give a fk. I never made that point. You keep arguing over and over. Do argue all you want, not sure why you involve me

I am not comparing to things that are incomparable. I am comparing software experience against software experience, I am comparing battery chemistry against battery chemistry, I am comparing charging curve against charging curve.

You are the only one comparing driving dynamics. Literally only you. I never made that argument, it’s all you mate

You even agree with me that the taycan is outdated Not sure what got you so made about stating the fact? Are we not allowed to say the taycan is outdated in terms of tech? The whole point of the stament was to highlight that Cayenne has advanced over the taycan in tech.

Again, only you are comparing the cars, I am comparing the tech in them.

Grab a coffee and calm down, you seem agitated and arguing with yourself about a point you yourself keep making

 

[prj]

You entirely miss the point. There’s also less modules in the car because the modules are more powerful and can run more things.

No, that's not the issue at all.
The amount of computing power hasn't been an issue for a very long time.
All the German cars are built from various supplier parts, and each module was responsible for each physical part. Also the calibration was clearly segregated. In many cases for example the calibration is done by the supplier and not by the OEM.
So by pushing a lot of functionality into one part, it's a complication in that, because now you have multiple companies responsible for the mechanical parts, and then a completely different one for the calibration. And all the software from the suppliers needs to be then brought together into this one part as well. So it is a significant integration challenge.

It's a lot easier to do on more simple cars with a lot less extra equipment. Such as a steel suspension, no gearbox, no things like night vision, or adaptive cruise control.
E.g. Tesla does not have any radar or lidar and uses their own camera as the only input. I think it does not even have physical parking sensors these days.

The tech in the Cayenne ev is better than the one in the taycan, objectively. That’s all I said. And you can disagree all you want, but when I went to see the car split in half, the engineers said it’s far superior and more robust.

The better cooling is not a “maybe”. It’s fact.
The better chemistry is not a “maybe”. It’s fact.
The fact that the motor needed more cooling doesn’t change the fact that is does have better cooling.

What is the result?
A car that is:
1) Slower.
2) Has a higher consumption
3) The cooling is more than anything needed because you're trying to move a massive brick through the air at high speed.
As a result all these improvements mean nothing to the end user when compared to the Taycan, because it's not any better at going long distance, does not have better performance, does not charge faster in kilometers per minute travelled and so on.

But I am sure these and other improvements will be integrated in the new Taycan. You know, the one that is going to come out and won't be 6 years old.

The infotainment in the Cayenne is just as responsive as the ix3. It does keep up with its competition on that tech front.

The MY26 Taycan infotainment is also completely instant on everything. But I never use it, so don't care.

The charging curve is very similar to the ix3, so it keeps up with the completion on that front in terms of tech.

No it does not. The IX3 has MUCH lower consumption.
So km/min charged the IX3 absolutely wipes the floor with the Cayenne.

I am not comparing to things that are incomparable. I am comparing software experience against software experience, I am comparing battery chemistry against battery chemistry, I am comparing charging curve against charging curve.

None of which makes any difference in real life (see above).

Again, only you are comparing the cars, I am comparing the tech in them.

All you are doing here and why the entire forum is fed up with you, is talking shit all day about cars without having deep knowledge about how the car actually works.
It is clear from the many incorrect statements you write, that behind the big words you have severe lack of understanding in some basic concepts of the very basis of how a vehicle is designed and operates.
But that does not stop you from having huge opinions and talking down on everybody.

 

[chun]

No, that's not the issue at all.
The amount of computing power hasn't been an issue for a very long time.
All the German cars are built from various supplier parts, and each module was responsible for each physical part. Also the calibration was clearly segregated. In many cases for example the calibration is done by the supplier and not by the OEM.
So by pushing a lot of functionality into one part, it's a complication in that, because now you have multiple companies responsible for the mechanical parts, and then a completely different one for the calibration. And all the software from the suppliers needs to be then brought together into this one part as well. So it is a significant integration challenge.

That's where the industry is heading, towards zonal arhitecture. Clearly, most manufacturers see benefits in having 3-5 modules instead of 55

What is the result?
A car that is:
1) Slower.
2) Has a higher consumption
3) The cooling is more than anything needed because you're trying to move a massive brick through the air at high speed.

Again, you're comparing cars, and you're the only one having this discussion.
Shocking, a huge SUV is slower, consumes more and is less aerodynamic.

I was only comparing the tech, tech that will find it's way in the 718 EV, tech that will find its way in the taycan 2, likely in even more improved ways.

It is fact that the cayenne has better software, more powerful hardware stack supporting that software, better battery chemistry,better battery enclosure, better cooling of the battery, better motor cooling - when compared to the taycan.

The MY26 Taycan infotainment is also completely instant on everything. But I never use it, so don't care.

It's not, far from it, and I have used it a lot, with my car being in service more than on the road due to the navigation issue plaguing european j1.1s

It is also very much not keeping up with offerings from other manufacturers in terms of what it can actually do.

Even if it's worthless for you, i did check, and you're not the center of the world. And for many, the infotainment needed to offer more, and in the cayenne, it does.

No it does not. The IX3 has MUCH lower consumption.
So km/min charged the IX3 absolutely wipes the floor with the Cayenne.

Facts disagree. Again, in terms of tech it's very competitive.
You're the only one comparing the cars, i am comparing the tech.
Yes, a bigger, heavier, more powerful car has worse consumption. Somehow, still not as bad as the taycan
It still charges with a better curve than the taycan, and keeps it competitive with other currnet evs on the european market when it comes to charging curves.

All you are doing here and why the entire forum is fed up with you, is talking shit all day about cars without having deep knowledge about how the car actually works.

You are writing incorrect staments, and seem to have some sort of god syndrome
Shockingly, this is a community forum, not a porsche insiders forum.

At the very basis of how a 4 door sedan operates, the Lucid has managed to handle just as good as the taycan j11.1 AND have great interior space. It can be done, porsche couldn't do it. And many other EVs will be doing it. And I suspect the mercedes competitor will have better interior space also.

I am done replying to you.

Please post concrete evidence of how the tech in the taycan is superior to the cayenne, the actual tech. Module by module. Cell by cell of battery. Chemistry. Software. Post proof.
Otherwise, again, go back to your mirror and argue with yourself. You're the only one arguing handling and cars, while i am comparing the tech in the cars and pointing out that the Cayenne has advanced a lot over the taycan

Also, list the incorrect statments i made.
Does the cyanne not have better cooled battery? Because porsche says it does, with cooling plates above and below the modules.
Does the cayenne not have an oil cooled rear motor? Because porsche says it does, and that it manages to keep the motor cooler than any of their other EVs.
Does the cayenne not have a better chemistry of the HV cells? Because porsche and sicence say it does.

IF anything, you post wrong misslesding info, during the imaginary argument you have about dirving dyanmics and how bad the cayenne is when compared to the taycan at driving - as if anyone ever said otherwise.

 

[Crazymind]

@chun and @prj, This thread is draining faster than a Taycan in sport mode with the heating on.

 

[prj]

That's where the industry is heading, towards zonal arhitecture. Clearly, most manufacturers see benefits in having 3-5 modules instead of 55

There will not be 3-5 modules ever on any of the complex cars.

Again, you're comparing cars, and you're the only one having this discussion.
Shocking, a huge SUV is slower, consumes more and is less aerodynamic.

Of course I am comparing the things that matter.
The "huge SUV" is only 10% higher weight, but is 25% slower with more power.

I was only comparing the tech, tech that will find it's way in the 718 EV, tech that will find its way in the taycan 2, likely in even more improved ways.

Making it sound like the differences are absolutely massive, while it's 5% or less.

It is fact that the cayenne has better software, more powerful hardware stack supporting that software, better battery chemistry,better battery enclosure, better cooling of the battery, better motor cooling - when compared to the taycan.

It would be a miracle, if there weren't improvements over a car made in 2020 and updated over 2 years ago.
But there are no improvements in the end result for the customer. And yes, you are absolutely comparing the two cars here, and switching to whatever suits you when called on the BS.

It's not, far from it, and I have used it a lot, with my car being in service more than on the road due to the navigation issue plaguing european j1.1s

I actually doubt you have ever driven a MY26. The dealer loaners are all MY25 cars, and there is a large difference in responsiveness between those two.
Had a MY25 loaner while my car was in for service, and it's not even close.

It is also very much not keeping up with offerings from other manufacturers in terms of what it can actually do.

Nor is the Cayenne. If you want to see what's possible there you need one of the Chinese EV's. That said, it runs Android Auto perfectly smooth. If you mean it's not "keeping up" with the huge tablet pasted in the middle of the dashboard, then yes. But this is a conscious choice in design.

Even if it's worthless for you, i did check, and you're not the center of the world. And for many, the infotainment needed to offer more, and in the cayenne, it does.

Yes, the logic of bigger screen = better. Not for me, and not for many others.
The J1.1 charge planner is a disaster, but that's a different story. J1.2 does not have that issue.

Yes, a bigger, heavier, more powerful car has worse consumption. Somehow, still not as bad as the taycan

And again having your facts wrong.
Taycan Turbo S. 2.4s 0-100km/h:

Cayenne Turbo 2.5s 0-100km/h:

Where is the "better consumption"? The tiny one at 25km/h?

IX3 has 17.9-15.1kWh/100km WLTP consumption btw.

The Cayenne has so bad efficiency at speed that it's faster charging is irrelevant to the end user, and it's behind most other SUV coming out in EU in 2026 from km/min charged, and MUCH behind some Chinese cars.

It still charges with a better curve than the taycan, and keeps it competitive with other currnet evs on the european market when it comes to charging curves.

Make that chart and time in km/min. You know that, which matters.
You can have the fastest charging in the world - but when the consumption is huge, then that makes very little difference in real world usage. Also since majority of fastchargers are still at 300kW or below, then the consumption figures are the ones being the most important.

At the very basis of how a 4 door sedan operates, the Lucid has managed to handle just as good as the taycan j11.1 AND have great interior space.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Lucid but the suspension on the Sapphire is not even close to the one of the Taycan from a comfort perspective, while having a worse skidpad result (1.09 vs 1.11 on the Taycan). And that's just the skidpad.

It can be done, porsche couldn't do it. And many other EVs will be doing it. And I suspect the mercedes competitor will have better interior space also.

Porsche could absolutely do it. You can make cars handling better on a track by completely destroying the ride quality. Porsche managed to make the best handling EV while having a very compliant ride, something that nobody else has replicated yet, and the gap just widened even more with the introduction of PAR.

But to understand why that is, you do have to understand at least something about basic car design. Something you seem to lack by complaining about "interior space" on a car where very specific design decisions were made.

In the end your comparisons are pretty much absurd. A McLaren has bad panel gaps, the V8 engine has no direct injection (something that VAG has had since 2003), it has really bad "interior space", and it's pretty long and wide (in fact it is even wider than a Taycan with much less room). But yet - that does not detract from it being very popular. Ever stopped to think why?

"Interior space" was very far down on the requirements list for the design of the Taycan. Just as it was on the McLaren. And it's absolutely great the way that is.
Go drive a Tesla or a Lucid, I am not sure what you are doing here.

 

[Mr.Smith]

There will not be 3-5 modules ever on any of the complex cars.

Why is that? Doesnt the BMW Neue Klasse only have a few modues?

 

[chun]

Why is that? Doesnt the BMW Neue Klasse only have a few modues?

BMW showcased in their presentation 4 zonal controllers

The new mercedes also very similar.
Bet he also never heard of Rivian. Lucid? Or maybe for him, all of these are simple cars.

He might have missed also how VW group is spending billions on rivian to implement the same zonal arhitecture with a few models across all VW group cars.

Just like he missed that no taycan turbo s gets 20.6 kwh/100km on autobahn in the real world - as i have 90k driven km, mostly autobahn in mine, and the figure is 24 kwh/100km, more in winter; but maybe he drives his turbo s on 19 inch wheels at 80km/h.

Not to mention that absurdity to equate motor efficency with car efficency, while ignoring wheel size, tires, aerdynamics of the car, weight and many others
And ignoring real world results like these in the cayenne:

But maybe for him, these are irrlevant, Just how faster charging is irrlevant... Wonder why porsche ever bothered to go beyond the "battery saving mode" charging curve at 200kw, since faster charging is irrlevant.

 

[prj]

Why is that? Doesnt the BMW Neue Klasse only have a few modues?

The marketing and the reality is quite different, I am sure. In the end - it is all done for cost saving. If you can locate the various control units inside the same enclosure, then you save a lot of money on wiring and so on.
It also mean that a failure in one of the control units completely disables the whole car.

 

[prj]

Just like he missed that no taycan turbo s gets 20.6 kwh/100km on autobahn in the real world

We are comparing apples to apples, WLTP figures. If you say the Taycan does not get that consumption, then Cayenne also does not.
Also the facelift has significantly lower consumption. Why are you comparing your 2020 to the facelift figures?

My range went from 320km in winter to 440km on the same exact wheels (I kept them when I sold my J1.1) going from J1.1 to J1.2.
Real range at -2C in snow with 100-130km/h speed was over 450 km this winter. The only thing was that I started from a warm garage (but I did the same thing on my J1.1).

Start SoC: 100%
End SoC: 59%
Distance travelled: 195km.

J1.2 has significant consumption improvements not only from the better rear motor, but also from the big efficiency increase in the whole HVAC system...
Your 2020 efficiency is irrelevant, and assuming the facelift does not get the figures because your car doesn't is some next level copium.

 

[chun]

Sort by efficency your trips in the app; let’s see those at 90km/h +; and post screenshot.
We’re talking efficency, not battery size.

I am sure you will continue to ignore wheel size, tires, car size, curb weight, and more.

More than likely going to continue to ignore that motor and vehicle efficency are not the same.

But anyway; read argument. You didn’t actually provide facts on any argument you made in here.

 

[prj]

Sort by efficency your trips in the app; let’s see those at 90km/h +; and post screenshot.

I gave you the exact numbers from the winter trip.
I don't know in which universe you think you can tell me what to do though. But nice try.

I am sure you will continue to ignore wheel size, tires, car size, curb weight, and more.

What are you talking about? I posted you exact data from the Porsche online configurator from the Taycan Turbo S Sedan, it comes default with 21".

More than likely going to continue to ignore that motor and vehicle efficency are not the same.

Again, where is the superior efficiency of the Cayenne? It shows a 4% better consumption for "inner city", but everything else is much worse.
Compare that to the BMW iX3, which is WLTP rated at 15.1 for the same, and then does not have really bad efficiency when the speed picks up. The non-turbo Cayenne has 15.1, but the efficiency drops off significantly as speed goes up compared to the iX3.

A Taycan facelift is significantly more efficient than a Cayenne overall. The Cayenne is just not an efficient car altogether - sure the body shape has something to do with it, but so does the gearbox - when you run the motor at lower rpm all the time, then it's more efficient, especially at a higher speed. The Macan is much better and shows the possibility of the PPE platform, and is much more efficient than the Taycan apart from the highway speed, where the Taycan is still better due to the shape of the car.
But of course it has much lower performance than the Taycan and the Cayenne.

Btw, having the inverter they have on the Turbo (and Taycan Turbo GT) is actively bad for efficiency. The oil cooling they had to do to hit the thermal target at high speed without having packaging issues with the coolant. The Taycan hits it's target by using a gearbox, which coincidentally helps with consumption/acceleration and generates less heat in the motor.
On the Turbo GT the ratios for the front and rear motors were changed to keep the RPM the same and avoid the need to do things like having the thing in oil.

But of course it's much cheaper to implement oil cooling than have a whole gearbox on the rear axle that can go bad.

As for the powertrain - comparing an early 2024 car (delivered) with a late 2026 car (delivered) where the 2026 car is a brand new model makes very little sense. There's 2.5 years between even the facelift, and then the base car is 6.5 years older.
A different generation.

But it's unfortunate that the Cayenne EV isn't better than it is at that price.
When the Taycan came out it had top tier charging and so on, but the Cayenne EV is already way behind the Chinese cars what concerns charging and battery. So is the IX3, but it doesn't cost over 100k.

Sponsored