Zuffenhausen Production closing next week

[obxckw]

Here's my situation:

I put my order in in Jan 2022 and have had the Order Created date move twice already; the latest = Mar 3rd. The actual Delivery Date has moved back once (3 weeks); I expect it to move out again since the latest Order Created date was recent. While I am not certain how this all works, I assume the Order Created date is some sort of queueing system before it goes into production.

After speaking w/ my SA, he said Porsche has always price protected orders and is certain they will do the same now. If that's the case, then price hikes might be at the dealer level and my dealer said they don't do that.

With all the events happening recently, I'm starting to question whether to hold steady or just bail and forfeit the deposit. ?‍

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[soul.electrified]

Here's my situation:

I put my order in in Jan 2022 and have had the Order Created date move twice already; the latest = Mar 3rd. The actual Delivery Date has moved back once (3 weeks); I expect it to move out again since the latest Order Created date was recent. While I am not certain how this all works, I assume the Order Created date is some sort of queueing system before it goes into production.

After speaking w/ my SA, he said Porsche has always price protected orders and is certain they will do the same now. If that's the case, then price hikes might be at the dealer level and my dealer said they don't do that.

With all the events happening recently, I'm starting to question whether to hold steady or just bail and forfeit the deposit. ?‍

Same situation here. My order date also shows 3/3 on TYD despite ordering months ago. My delivery date has not changed. You can ask your SA to check the PVMS (porsche vehicle management system), where your order date should still reflect January.

I have no plans to abandon my order (my deposit is fully refundable if I wanted to - at least until the freeze date).

On another note, there is still NO evidence/confirmation that Taycan production has come to a stop despite numerous posts here. I called the dealer/ Porsche NA and did not get confirmation of a production stop. Also no word of this in the local Stuttgart news (lived in Baden Württemberg for 30+ years and follow the local news closely)…

I’m in no rush and will try to be patient. After all, the reasons for potential delays are all legitimate…

 

[KConway]

I placed my order last month with a $5K non-refundable deposit and a $10K MSRP markup cuz I’m lucky enough to live in SoCalifornia ?. I’ve optioned my RWD to the point where my SA wanted another $15K deposit and I’m still a month from freeze after its moved out twice to 4/3 now. I told him not a chance for more $$ down before a freeze but wondering if that is even wise. For a financed car (vs leased) you don’t know final price until delivery with potential cost of money details or factory unavailability of parts. But, I have no intention of handing my dealer another 10% above the inflated markup I’ve already agreed and come to terms with.

Am I off base here or is that the “tax” to be a Pcar owner?

I never signed anything saying the deposit was non-refundable that I recall but if I did and wanted to bailout it seems this could be a Force Majeure situation?

 

[Chris8536]

I placed my order last month with a $5K non-refundable deposit and a $10K MSRP markup cuz I’m lucky enough to live in SoCalifornia ?. I’ve optioned my RWD to the point where my SA wanted another $15K deposit and I’m still a month from freeze after its moved out twice to 4/3 now. I told him not a chance for more $$ down before a freeze but wondering if that is even wise. For a financed car (vs leased) you don’t know final price until delivery with potential cost of money details or factory unavailability of parts. But, I have no intention of handing my dealer another 10% above the inflated markup I’ve already agreed and come to terms with.

Am I off base here or is that the “tax” to be a Pcar owner?

I never signed anything saying the deposit was non-refundable that I recall but if I did and wanted to bailout it seems this could be a Force Majeure situation?

Warning
there is no such thing as a non refundedable deposit in California. I have an inkling you’re being scammed here.

be very very careful now, dealers are getting extremely desperate and there is real history of scummy Porsche dealers disappearing with deposits. He doesn’t need another 15k, someone is covering their books. This is a Taycan rwd is not something justifying a 20k deposit.

‘There was a GT2 scam being run by a dealer in FL a few years back and he took a ton of deposits with no slots, then ran.

 

[KConway]

My Dealer (Rusnak) is legit, been in business for ~40 years. I do follow the logic that if I option a car, particularly a RWD beyond what they could sell for with a reasonable return than a larger deposit would be warranted so I don’t bail. That said, I have suspected they are just trying to keep cash flow while deliveries get delayed. I am likely going to push back at freeze on additional deposit if production has stopped or I get pushed out to a MY 2023 car as I’m sure that will come with a considerable bump in price.

 

[raharris]

I placed my order last month with a $5K non-refundable deposit and a $10K MSRP markup cuz I’m lucky enough to live in SoCalifornia ?. I’ve optioned my RWD to the point where my SA wanted another $15K deposit and I’m still a month from freeze after its moved out twice to 4/3 now. I told him not a chance for more $$ down before a freeze but wondering if that is even wise. For a financed car (vs leased) you don’t know final price until delivery with potential cost of money details or factory unavailability of parts. But, I have no intention of handing my dealer another 10% above the inflated markup I’ve already agreed and come to terms with.

Am I off base here or is that the “tax” to be a Pcar owner?

I never signed anything saying the deposit was non-refundable that I recall but if I did and wanted to bailout it seems this could be a Force Majeure situation?

When I ordered mine, it was 1k to get in line. Another 4K once allocation and then the dealer said that it could be more if my options were particularly unique - ie might be harder to sell on if I didn’t follow through. The 1k was fully refundable. As this is my third car though, they never actually collected anything other than the 1k until collection day. I had about 40k of
options on it.

this was before ships sinking and wars being declared though …

 

[raharris]

My Dealer (Rusnak) is legit, been in business for ~40 years. I do follow the logic that if I option a car, particularly a RWD beyond what they could sell for with a reasonable return than a larger deposit would be warranted so I don’t bail. That said, I have suspected they are just trying to keep cash flow while deliveries get delayed. I am likely going to push back at freeze on additional deposit if production has stopped or I get pushed out to a MY 2023 car as I’m sure that will come with a considerable bump in price.

Should be no reason to pay more prior to freeze; up until that point, they can fill the slot with another and let them spec the car.

 

[Chris8536]

My Dealer (Rusnak) is legit, been in business for ~40 years. I do follow the logic that if I option a car, particularly a RWD beyond what they could sell for with a reasonable return than a larger deposit would be warranted so I don’t bail. That said, I have suspected they are just trying to keep cash flow while deliveries get delayed. I am likely going to push back at freeze on additional deposit if production has stopped or I get pushed out to a MY 2023 car as I’m sure that will come with a considerable bump in price.

The GT2 scam was just a salesperson stealing deposits from unsuspecting customers. Using slot jockeying and shortage to line his pockets. Then the whole thing collapsed of course when he couldn’t get any slots.

The dealer owner was later found drowned off the coast of Miami…

 

[npx]

I placed my order last month with a $5K non-refundable deposit and a $10K MSRP markup cuz I’m lucky enough to live in SoCalifornia ?. I’ve optioned my RWD to the point where my SA wanted another $15K deposit and I’m still a month from freeze after its moved out twice to 4/3 now. I told him not a chance for more $$ down before a freeze but wondering if that is even wise. For a financed car (vs leased) you don’t know final price until delivery with potential cost of money details or factory unavailability of parts. But, I have no intention of handing my dealer another 10% above the inflated markup I’ve already agreed and come to terms with.

Am I off base here or is that the “tax” to be a Pcar owner?

I never signed anything saying the deposit was non-refundable that I recall but if I did and wanted to bailout it seems this could be a Force Majeure situation?

No markup in Norcal. Hold your ground.

 

[Marcad80]

My car is currently on its way to Emden. I’m one of those people that have been continually watching TYD and the configurator. This has been a lot of fun since the time of the order in the beginning of December, and I really love this car. I received an email from the dealer with the “out the door “ price based on MSRP (no markup) before I put a $5k deposit down. But I have changed the options about $10k up since then. And have nothing since I can’t wait to get this car.

But if, when I go to pay for the car, the dealer tries to tell me there’s an “over MSRP” base now, I will walk away from this car. Engage my lawyer if necessary to get my $5k deposit back, and make sure everyone is warned about this dealer on every social media form I can find.

I’ve been screwed by dealers before, and shortly after leaving with the car I feel like I’ve been suckered. And that steals all the happiness from the new car. And every time I look at the car, it’s a reminder of being suckered. I wont allow this to happen with such a big purchase.

heck, Ive had a blast on this forums getting to know all of you as we all wait for our cars….. I don’t hate the idea of having this fun again on a 2023 Taycan!

 

[soul.electrified]

4,000$ deposit at the time of allocation, fully refundable until freeze date no question asked. If I don’t take delivery of the vehicle after the freeze date, my deposit will be refunded as soon as the vehicle is sold to a different party. I received this in writing at the time of my order. It also states that vehicle will be sold at MSRP. I thought this was fair and fairly straight forward.

We are hijacking the Zuffenhausen topic a little - back to it, was anyone able to confirm the production stop?

 

[NJRJ]

Man, that's a bit of a gut punch if it impacts the Taycans. Mine is supposed to be in production later this month. Guess I'll be asking my dealer what's up.

Me too..damn it ..and my original order for a 911S was placed in Aug 2021 and was told spring 2022 would be possible , then it was summer and then again in Nov. I was told maybe not before early 2023. That's when I changed my order for a Taycan 4S and have an accepted order by Porsche with production due in March for May Delivery. I have owned 2 911's, 2 911S , 1 Cayman S , 1 Cayenne S ,and a Macan Turbo sine 2000 .This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Lansford]

Question since we are talking builds and freeze dates. I have a 4s that has been allocated but freeze date is still a month away. Would I be able to move to GTS? Or would I lose my place in line? Anyone know?

 

[outie]

Question since we are talking builds and freeze dates. I have a 4s that has been allocated but freeze date is still a month away. Would I be able to move to GTS? Or would I lose my place in line? Anyone know?

My understanding is that allocation is model-specific. You need to find a GTS allocation to move to it. You aren’t really in a line for the next car/allocation…

 

[soul.electrified]

Question since we are talking builds and freeze dates. I have a 4s that has been allocated but freeze date is still a month away. Would I be able to move to GTS? Or would I lose my place in line? Anyone know?

You’d have to start over. It’s essentially like ordering a different vehicle (unless you’re lucky and you find an immediate allocation, which is unlikely)

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