CONFUSED! Aero Sport Alloys, 150kw DC on-board booster?!

[batteredhaddock]

One more vote for the Sport wheels, They are the only "black with shiny bits" Porsche wheels I like.

Ooh, another I get to mildly disagree with Frank day, though I think also get to agree ?.

On the saloon Taycan I definitely agree on the sport wheels, I find the Turbo ones too fussy. However I prefer the Cross Turismo Turbo Aero wheels to the Sport ?. Course, just chose what you think looks best, neither is going to make a discernible difference to resale.

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[W1NGE]

Hi everyone, very excited to finally be getting towards delivery date. Gone for a base model rear wheel drive with some light specs to keep costs down. I know this is super boring but I've gone black on black. I had a huge meltdown as I live in a flat in central London and have no off street charging facilities. I've convinced myself there are enough on road chargers around here, including a 22kw Source London reservable charge point one road away, which although expensive at least gives me some piece of mind. The first questions is this pesky option '150kw DC on-board booster' and according to opinion it is anything from "doesn't matter whatsoever" to "I would not go near the car without it"! Much with everything in life the truth is probably in the middle? Am I right in saying most rapid charging stations now are 800v in which case this would make no difference or am I missing out a huge number of potential charging stations which are 400v and I will be charging at a snail's pace? Also the talk of Taycan owners being able to use Tesla super chargers, again, if/when this happens does this mean I'll lose the rapid charge rate there too?

Last question I have which I would be so grateful for any opinions you may have. I get that the two most popular wheel choices are the turbos and the mission e's. I would love the mission e's however they are blowing the budget so it was between the turbos or the sports. I went for the sports and I can see from reading up on other threads they are not popular and people far prefer the turbos. What is alarming is someone described the sports as cheap looking due to the black plastic back plate and said 'in the flesh' the sports were on a different level and far superior. I wonder, is this view exaggerated or is it perfectly clear the sports are far superior and given I have not seen any in the flesh I should do all I can (if it is possible) to change the order?

Really love your thoughts and any replies will be greatly appreciated.

1. 150kW DC booster - useful but note you may never get to take advantage of it. 400v EVSEs @ 150 / 175kW do exist in UK and Ireland. Access to Tesla network may be 12th of never and has been under "test" since last year.

I'm an advocate and optioned it but have never used or found an EVSE that provides 150kW @ 400V.

To take advantage of ultra high speed charging your battery really needs to be pre-conditioned (warmed up to 32C+) prior to charging in addition to many other dependencies aligning (ambient temp, state of charge (SOC)). So you could be say at a 350kW EVSE with a 40% SOC with a battery temp of 10C (winter / early Spring) expecting to rapidly consume lots of juice - well you'd be in for a shock. Expect an initial rate of 45kW which will climb to around 125kW as the battery warms up (now at 32C) and then slow down significantly as you approach 80% SOC.

The point here is that even with 800V EVSE charging you may rarely if ever get beyond 150kW nevermind the quoted 270kW maximum.

50kW EVSEs, depending on ambient, SOC and battery temp you should regularly expect around 49kW early on in the charging session which then drops off as you approach 80% SOC. Good enough for most but does require you to wait at least an hour.

These are things to bear in mind and to calibrate expectations when no home charging is available.

AC public charging is slow (same principles as above). Without adding the expensive 22kW AC onboard charger then the max charge rate will be 11kW. Not practical really so seek out local 50kW or higher DC units near to home.

2. Turbo wheels all day long - easy clean and look great. Sport look grim (sorry).

 

[jayjay9210]

Treat the £300 for 150kW squarely on a gamble that Tesla will open their network in the UK ( they have gone beyond the initial pilot and opened a lot more, if not all, in the Netherlands I believe). Even if Tesla rolls out 800V, will be a lot of older sites could use in a pinch.

Also, looks suspiciously like the new ferrybridge SuCs are being laid out to be friendlier to non Teslas.

I think it will happen, and took the gamble on it myself. Would kick myself if could only charge at 50kW at Tesla (and would probably be kicked even more by frustrated Tesla owners as I not only took 2 bays but had them for thrice as long ??).

Ha ha yes! It seems to be a no brainer judging by what everyone is saying. Annoyingly the post was in retrospect after the order. (this car has been on order for 7 months) so I will see if not too late or even if it is possible to get retro fitted? Anyway by the sounds of it due to Ukraine this will be delayed which frankly is of no significance with all that is going on in the world.

 

[jayjay9210]

I live in South East London Zone 4. I live in a Terrace house. I have no off street charger. I have a RWD. You can absolutely have a Taycan with no home charger. It is rubbish to say you cannot.

1. If the you live near a Porsche dealer you can use their 350kwh supercharger. I currently go every 2 weeks and charge 5%-95% (takes 50 mins, have a coffee read a book). I expect as it gets warmer and the new battery conditions it will stretch to 3 weeks. As a result I got the extra battery pack. You need that with no home charger.
2. You could survive on 50kwh. Shell are good. 20%-60% takes an hour. Do a recon and make sure the lead will reach. One Shell near me with a 175kwh will not reach as you can only park facing it. Basically the leads are all on the wrong side to the car DC charger. Also Tesco's have 50kwh. Hotels. Gyms. Check Zap map. You could do a 2 hour big charge. It is just time. Go for a run. Shop. Gym. Read a book. Whatever.

It is all about timing. Get up early. Charge late at night. Sunday morning before the shop opens. Work it out. Porsche is always empty.

I would get a Taycan. It is amazing.

Awesome reply thank you! This is just what I was looking for as honestly at times it felt like I was the only one who would be 'mad' enough to have an EV with no off street charger at home, but what it may boil down to is 1 hour a week on the low miles I do. Glad to hear you have such a positive stance on it and I think it will only get easier and easier too! Thanks again for your reply!

 

[jayjay9210]

The other thing to note, if you haven’t seen them in person, the sport are very flat. The “spokes” aren’t as raised as I was expecting. I’m fine with it and would choose the same wheels again, but want to point it out.

Here’s a pic to show that.

Thanks so much for sending! Honestly that is probably a benefit as I am not great with the whole curbing thing and alloys! (Not sure this is good to admit on this forum)! I would rather then are tucked in and not sticking out too much.

 

[jayjay9210]

One more vote for the Sport wheels, They are the only "black with shiny bits" Porsche wheels I like.

Great stuff! All votes appreciated. Nice to know there are a few of us who prefer these over the turbos!

 

[jayjay9210]

Ooh, another I get to mildly disagree with Frank day, though I think also get to agree ?.

On the saloon Taycan I definitely agree on the sport wheels, I find the Turbo ones too fussy. However I prefer the Cross Turismo Turbo Aero wheels to the Sport ?. Course, just chose what you think looks best, neither is going to make a discernible difference to resale.

Thanks so much! Yes, it seems to be more personal choice which is a relief as I saw another post and the impression was the sports look cheap and the Turbos are in a different league but I can see now this is not the case and it is just personal choice.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Awesome reply thank you! This is just what I was looking for as honestly at times it felt like I was the only one who would be 'mad' enough to have an EV with no off street charger at home, but what it may boil down to is 1 hour a week on the low miles I do. Glad to hear you have such a positive stance on it and I think it will only get easier and easier too! Thanks again for your reply!

You will be fine with the low mileage you do. ?

And things will just improve over time with more chargers being built.

 

[jayjay9210]

1. 150kW DC booster - useful but note you may never get to take advantage of it. 400v EVSEs @ 150 / 175kW do exist in UK and Ireland. Access to Tesla network may be 12th of never and has been under "test" since last year.

I'm an advocate and optioned it but have never used or found an EVSE that provides 150kW @ 400V.

To take advantage of ultra high speed charging your battery really needs to be pre-conditioned (warmed up to 32C+) prior to charging in addition to many other dependencies aligning (ambient temp, state of charge (SOC)). So you could be say at a 350kW EVSE with a 40% SOC with a battery temp of 10C (winter / early Spring) expecting to rapidly consume lots of juice - well you'd be in for a shock. Expect an initial rate of 45kW which will climb to around 125kW as the battery warms up (now at 32C) and then slow down significantly as you approach 80% SOC.

The point here is that even with 800V EVSE charging you may rarely if ever get beyond 150kW nevermind the quoted 270kW maximum.

50kW EVSEs, depending on ambient, SOC and battery temp you should regularly expect around 49kW early on in the charging session which then drops off as you approach 80% SOC. Good enough for most but does require you to wait at least an hour.

These are things to bear in mind and to calibrate expectations when no home charging is available.

AC public charging is slow (same principles as above). Without adding the expensive 22kW AC onboard charger then the max charge rate will be 11kW. Not practical really so seek out local 50kW or higher DC units near to home.

2. Turbo wheels all day long - easy clean and look great. Sport look grim (sorry).

Wow that is great knowledge on the charging front, it seems to be a whole new and very complex world! There is a 22kw charger on my next road and I am hoping that will be my main go to. If I have to leave it there for 3,4,5 hours it is no problem at all. Interesting to hear Tesla have been trialing other cars for so long, maybe it will ever happen then as you say.

Interesting to read how much the temperature affects the charge rate, I had no idea!

Ha ha! You are clearly not a fan of the sports. You seem unshakable but for me and it seems a few others in this thread they have a cleaner simpler look, the turbos are lovely but I find them too busy with too many bits and pieces on them!

 

[jayjay9210]

You will be fine with the low mileage you do. ?

And things will just improve over time with more chargers being built.

Absolutely! And besides.... the car is just too beautiful, honestly at this point anything else would just be a compromise. Thanks so much for the reassurance.

 

[Oakhome]

I was sceptical at first, but once I saw the Sport Aero in the flesh, all doubt went away.

If I were to find a flaw it would be that the rims are tricky to clean

 

[W1NGE]

I was sceptical at first, but once I saw the Sport Aero in the flesh, all doubt went away.

If I were to find a flaw it would be that the rims are tricky to clean

That’s why the Turbo style is so much better ;-)

 

[W1NGE]

Wow that is great knowledge on the charging front, it seems to be a whole new and very complex world! There is a 22kw charger on my next road and I am hoping that will be my main go to. If I have to leave it there for 3,4,5 hours it is no problem at all. Interesting to hear Tesla have been trialing other cars for so long, maybe it will ever happen then as you say.

Interesting to read how much the temperature affects the charge rate, I had no idea!

Ha ha! You are clearly not a fan of the sports. You seem unshakable but for me and it seems a few others in this thread they have a cleaner simpler look, the turbos are lovely but I find them too busy with too many bits and pieces on them!

You really want to use DC charging (trust me) as AC will become tiresome for regular charging if not in a home environment. The fact that it is available for use for the time you indicate is telling in itself.

Charging rate slows down significantly as you get to 85% but you’ll get there 2 times quicker with a basic DC EVSE @ 50kW.

Suggest viewing the wheel choices in real life - the choice overall is poor. I’d bet more folk choose Turbo over the other - consider resale if that’s a concern.

 

[jayjay9210]

I was sceptical at first, but once I saw the Sport Aero in the flesh, all doubt went away.

If I were to find a flaw it would be that the rims are tricky to clean

Would you believe me if I told you this is the first picture I have seen of the spec I have ordered other than on the configurator! Looks absolutely stunning! Did you go black interior too? I just went black everywhere! Boring or timeless? I like to think timeless. Kudos to you, your car is the business.

 

[jayjay9210]

That’s why the Turbo style is so much better ;-)

Ha ha there is no converting you is there!

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