Taycan Production to Stop for a 'Substantial' Period of Time

[whitex]

I’m quite surprised the dealer would disclose this information to you. Something similar happened to the Mrs Macan GTS but less sinister. We were 10th and he was 16th in the queue at the same dealer. He wasn’t even in the same round of allocations yet was able get his car a month earlier. Our car was stuck in production for an additional 6 weeks due to “custom tailoring”.

Welcome to economics of maximizing profit. It pays more to keep feeding cars to a serial buyer who buys regularly, since the sooner you get the the car now, the sooner you will sell the next one to them. Another way people jump the line is agreeing to ADM - again, maximizing profit for the dealership.

Does that suck for some customers? Absolutely. Is there a better system? Not really. I grew up in a communist country where prices were fixed for everyone by the government. The end result was nothing available in stores, everything sells "out the back" if you bribe the right people, and bribes proportional to supply scarcity, which was high because the bribes were not passed as profit to manufacturer as higher price consumers are paying, therefore the manufacturer didn't have much incentive to make more product. This applied almost equally to cars, appliances, gasoline, meat, or even toilet paper (my father used to say "you know the system is total crap if the country cannot even provide sufficient toilet paper for its citizens"). The overall problem is that the laws of supply and demand are like laws of physics, you cannot break them. Worse - if you try to force against it, you make it worse.

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[MTGBUK]

Welcome to economics of maximizing profit. It pays more to keep feeding cars to a serial buyer who buys regularly, since the sooner you get the the car now, the sooner you will sell the next one to them. Another way people jump the line is agreeing to ADM - again, maximizing profit for the dealership.

Does that suck for some customers? Absolutely. Is there a better system? Not really. I grew up in a communist country where prices were fixed for everyone by the government. The end result was nothing available in stores, everything sells "out the back" if you bribe the right people, and bribes proportional to supply scarcity, which was high because the bribes were not passed as profit to manufacturer as higher price consumers are paying, therefore the manufacturer didn't have much incentive to make more product. This applied almost equally to cars, appliances, gasoline, meat, or even toilet paper (my father used to say "you know the system is total crap if the country cannot even provide sufficient toilet paper for its citizens"). The overall problem is that the laws of supply and demand are like laws of physics, you cannot break them. Worse - if you try to force against it, you make it worse.

I'm not surprised at all by it only surprised that they actually admitted to a third party that they had done it. I'm also originally from a country that is arguably the biggest communist country in the world. We still live a world where money talks. It makes sense to look after people/businesses that are consistant spenders. I don't want to bash Porsche about it as my neighbour was able to get an Audi E-tron GT in 3 months as he gave his SE a kickback to get the car sooner.

 

[whitex]

I'm not surprised at all by it only surprised that they actually admitted to a third party that they had done it. I'm also originally from a country that is arguably the biggest communist country in the world. We still live a world where money talks. It makes sense to look after people/businesses that are consistant spenders. I don't want to bash Porsche about it as my neighbour was able to get an Audi E-tron GT in 3 months as he gave his SE a kickback to get the car sooner.

There are dealers out there able to be honest. I usually let them know up-front that I prefer the direct and honest approach and totally understand their need to maximize profits. As long as my deposit is refundable, I fully expect they will slide people in front of me if they can make more money. I just prefer they tell me about it, rather than hide it. I am open with them that I am on other waitlists as well and that first dealer to get me allocation gets the sale. Where I draw the line is once we lock in an order and my deposit becomes non-refundable. That to me constitutes a contract, and if they were to sell my build to someone else or try to add ADM after the fact, I would never do business with them again. Since this happened to me once by the way, I found out from an attorney I spoke with, that the dealer association lobbied themselves great legal privileges in my state (Washington), essentially allowing the dealer to walk away from the deal (and refund your deposit) any time before they hand you the keys, but once you lock down the order and try to walk away, the dealer not only can keep your deposit, they can actually sue you for the entire purchase price. I would not be surprised if other state governments are also taking lobby bribes and instituted similar laws.

 

[npx]

This production stoppage was confirmed to me by my dealer today.

- all outstanding (non produced) 22 MY Taycan are being converted to 2023

- Taycan production will shortly stop until “later in the year” I read this as the august model year switchover as 2023 will not be produced until that time

- zero GTS ST customer orders have gone forward in my dealership which is a top ten west coast dealer. Literally zero. Extremely low numbers of CT being produced as well. Sedans move reasonably well.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

This production stoppage was confirmed to me by my dealer today.

- all outstanding (non produced) 22 MY Taycan are being converted to 2023

- Taycan production will shortly stop until “later in the year” I read this as the august model year switchover as 2023 will not be produced until that time

Depending on how they phrased those 3 points, that could be interpreted as just following the usual production pattern with every year having a summer pause before switching to the new MY.

Was the dealer referring to cars for just their customers, all US customers or all globally? I get the impression that dealers are improvising to manage their own customers, sometimes even with conviction that they understand the current and planned situation...but they still might not know much more than we do.

 

[poppap]

This production stoppage was confirmed to me by my dealer today.

- all outstanding (non produced) 22 MY Taycan are being converted to 2023

- Taycan production will shortly stop until “later in the year” I read this as the august model year switchover as 2023 will not be produced until that time

- zero GTS ST customer orders have gone forward in my dealership which is a top ten west coast dealer. Literally zero. Extremely low numbers of CT being produced as well. Sedans move reasonably well.

I beg to be different on the first bullet. My MY22 RWD allocation has not been produced yet and it is scheduled to start on June 24th with ETA on September 2. It is not being converted and will still be MY22.

Got this from my SA :

 

[WuffvonTrips]

I beg to be different on the first bullet. My MY22 RWD allocation has not been produced yet and it is scheduled to start on June 24th with ETA on September 2. It is not being converted and will still be MY22.

Which is why I think/hope that npx's dealer really meant that any planned MY22 cars not built before the annual shutdown will carry forward as MY23 builds, rather than no more MY22s will be built before then. Basically, the same situation as in previous years (e.g. when my planned late MY18 Cayenne slipped to early MY19).

 

[Bognar67]

This production stoppage was confirmed to me by my dealer today.

- all outstanding (non produced) 22 MY Taycan are being converted to 2023

- Taycan production will shortly stop until “later in the year” I read this as the august model year switchover as 2023 will not be produced until that time

- zero GTS ST customer orders have gone forward in my dealership which is a top ten west coast dealer. Literally zero. Extremely low numbers of CT being produced as well. Sedans move reasonably well.

Top 10 dealer should not share "information" with full of BS like this extending their situation globally and production.
Simply there are not enough cars, especially production capacity for demand. They are pushing the responsibility to production/factory and not saying the truth: sorry we have not enough cars/allocation for the nr of people come in our door. Just picking up 'orders', but have no idea when will have cars to them. So if you come in and ask, we will tell you wide variations of BS protecting our asses.

 

[Bognar67]

I beg to be different on the first bullet. My MY22 RWD allocation has not been produced yet and it is scheduled to start on June 24th with ETA on September 2. It is not being converted and will still be MY22.

Got this from my SA :

This will happen, do not worry. Some dealers are just talking for nothing, your dealer is sharing document without a talk. This is the way that is clean and correct ?. Talk is talk, paper is paper....
Talking dealers have no V200 Event Key either so feel to say something BS.

 

[Bazza]

This will happen, do not worry. Some dealers are just talking for nothing, your dealer is sharing document without a talk. This is the way that is clean and correct ?. Talk is talk, paper is paper....
Talking dealers have no V200 Event Key either so feel to say something BS.

Did you mean to say.. 'this will NOT happen'??

 

[Bognar67]

Did you mean to say.. 'this will NOT happen'??

I mean this will happen according to the Tracking List attached. Sorry for misunderstanding.

 

[nickmdp]

This production stoppage was confirmed to me by my dealer today.

- all outstanding (non produced) 22 MY Taycan are being converted to 2023

- Taycan production will shortly stop until “later in the year” I read this as the august model year switchover as 2023 will not be produced until that time

- zero GTS ST customer orders have gone forward in my dealership which is a top ten west coast dealer. Literally zero. Extremely low numbers of CT being produced as well. Sedans move reasonably well.

Sorry, but this just seems like bad info. My GTS ST literally went into production a few days ago (and actually would have been here by now if I hadn't done PTS), and my dealer is definitely not a high volume dealer.

 

[TaycanHero]

Sorry, but this just seems like bad info. My GTS ST literally went into production a few days ago (and actually would have been here by now if I hadn't done PTS), and my dealer is definitely not a high volume dealer.

US gets expedited orders because it's the second biggest market after China.

Europe waits.

UK waits longer.

 

[whan]

Same as others - just got an update to production date early this week with actual delivery by Sept. Many others got updates as well this week. Doubt there's going to be a shutdown til August

 

[nickmdp]

US gets expedited orders because it's the second biggest market after China.

Europe waits.

UK waits longer.

But that's sort of irrelevant, since the poster I replied to is also from the US. If his dealer is saying that GTS ST models aren't moving at all, even to the largest dealers in the country, that's objectively false information.

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