GTS 2023 or Turbo S 2021?!

[Sepehr]

Amazing car! Make sure the battery is good! Practically new, it is by far the best option!

Thanks buddy! Cant wait to roam around in it come Wednesday! ? thanks for the help, see you on the streets!

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[B61]

Excellent purchase!
Good luck!

 

[JDNEPA]

Yea, this is a really good spec from the look of it. I got mine just a tad cheaper but this has PDCC (which is the one option I kind of wish I had). Overall - this seems like a wicked good deal and better than I could find in the NE when I was looking (my purchase seemed best at the time 4-5 months ago). That said, make sure it gets the ANA6 update... there are quirks but I kind equate it to an android phone and with a little work, I've been able to successfully nagivate most of them with this forum, Porsche NA, and/or basic troubleshooting. Price, model, spec - all top notch.

 

[B61]

Yea, this is a really good spec from the look of it. I got mine just a tad cheaper but this has PDCC (which is the one option I kind of wish I had). Overall - this seems like a wicked good deal and better than I could find in the NE when I was looking (my purchase seemed best at the time 4-5 months ago). That said, make sure it gets the ANA6 update... there are quirks but I kind equate it to an android phone and with a little work, I've been able to successfully nagivate most of them with this forum, Porsche NA, and/or basic troubleshooting. Price, model, spec - all top notch.

+1 on PDCC.

 

[Sepehr]

Yea, this is a really good spec from the look of it. I got mine just a tad cheaper but this has PDCC (which is the one option I kind of wish I had). Overall - this seems like a wicked good deal and better than I could find in the NE when I was looking (my purchase seemed best at the time 4-5 months ago). That said, make sure it gets the ANA6 update... there are quirks but I kind equate it to an android phone and with a little work, I've been able to successfully nagivate most of them with this forum, Porsche NA, and/or basic troubleshooting. Price, model, spec - all top notch.

Yess! PDCC really does wonders and it just makes the car feel glued to the ground… but its very subtle so i dont think u missed much from it unless u go very fast and into corners. But thanks for all the advise sofar the car has been great but the range os bothering me shows 160 miles at 85% … not sure if this improves with time or if the batteries are damaged… i guess i have to drive it for a while to really see if the range comes up or not…

 

[JDNEPA]

It should come up depending on your drive style and climate. This is just an "estimate" but can validate pretty easily and determine if you're not getting the miles or the range just shows you what it is driving with a lead foot.

If you throw on the trip screen, you can practice trying to get lower than 33.3 kw/100mi. Would also recommend that to adjust region to Regen (Auto) by holding down the region button for a few seconds. You'll get the coasting functionality similar to range mode and I've found watching this you can figure out how to apply some accelerator and balance that with coasting to improve the range. Do that for 1-2 weeks, and you'll see the range estimate improve. At 80%, I get about 180-204 miles range. Ballpark. Full charged - 210-215 (was as high as 240 miles during summer but dropped as we hit winter temps in PA).

 

[Sepehr]

It should come up depending on your drive style and climate. This is just an "estimate" but can validate pretty easily and determine if you're not getting the miles or the range just shows you what it is driving with a lead foot.

If you throw on the trip screen, you can practice trying to get lower than 33.3 kw/100mi. Would also recommend that to adjust region to Regen (Auto) by holding down the region button for a few seconds. You'll get the coasting functionality similar to range mode and I've found watching this you can figure out how to apply some accelerator and balance that with coasting to improve the range. Do that for 1-2 weeks, and you'll see the range estimate improve. At 80%, I get about 180-204 miles range. Ballpark. Full charged - 210-215 (was as high as 240 miles during summer but dropped as we hit winter temps in PA).

Thanks again! Yes, It feels like the best I can get is 33.3 kw/100 with it and now im getting 220 at 100% for the first time.

Although I had a question about Auto Regen,,, first im seriously impressed with it,,, its so intelligent, unlike Tesla,,,, it allows me to cruise and figures out when there is a car in front of me and that I have to break and then brakes for me using the regen without me even attempting to apply the breaks.... Its just awesome.
So my question is,,,, how on earth can I get Auto-Regen to stay on??!! Everytime I turn the car ON it is OFF by default. I added it to my individual mode driving but again everytime I turn the car ON its automatically on NORMAL mode and I have to change it to INDIVIDUAL. Its a bit annoying I cant configure this to say ON.

 

[Steve R]

This is so funny, the parallels are crazy!

About 3 weeks ago I pulled the trigger on a 2021 Turbo S (with just 840 miles in flawless condition from the dealer). Another dealer tried to lure me into a new soon-arriving GTS and assured me it was the 'sweet spot' with GTS specific features, etc, etc.

Human nature strongly prevails in that we always want to think we made the right decision. If the house you wanted to buy fell through to another buyer, you tell yourself the house you ended-up buying was actually a better purchase and so it was a good thing that you lost out on that first deal. We rationalize!

What you're going to find is that each guy on this forum pretty much feels his model is the best dollar per value. The guy with the 4S will suggest the Turbo's are just faster and the car is already fast enough and who needs the speeding tickets. Same with the base model guy and soon the GTS guy. Another guy tried to tell me that the Turbo S wouldn't be ideal for daily use....as if the ride and power make it somehow impractical or too raw. You know that saying about opinions....

Had I not gotten the Turbo S I'm sure I'd be writing about how the newer car was the better purchase and I'd have a list of reasons.....but since I bought the Turbo S I'm going to tell you that when you own the Turbo S, you NEVER have to wonder if you're missing out on the higher performance and power. No Porsche drives up and puts you 2nd fiddle; you are the top dog driving the big bad boy and if you're gonna own a Porsche, may as well go big and enjoy!

And yeah, the regen is fairly weak and you have to continue to push the little button each time you get in the car and sometimes between switching modes. I dunno, this thing is wonky and definitely NOT intuitive....but over time it comes to you and most things make sense.

And while the car is charging, how come there's no visual means to see that it's charging and how charged it is? With my Jag you open any door and a display comes up within seconds....with this car you open the door and nothing happens, you have to turn the car on and then it may display it. A few times something is displayed but I think you need to remove the remote and walk up to the car and open the door. I keep my remote in the car so it seems to require a full turn-on before I can see some display of battery charge indication. Lots of things seem weird but hot-damn this car is beautiful and stunning!

 

[Sepehr]

This is so funny, the parallels are crazy!

About 3 weeks ago I pulled the trigger on a 2021 Turbo S (with just 840 miles in flawless condition from the dealer). Another dealer tried to lure me into a new soon-arriving GTS and assured me it was the 'sweet spot' with GTS specific features, etc, etc.

Human nature strongly prevails in that we always want to think we made the right decision. If the house you wanted to buy fell through to another buyer, you tell yourself the house you ended-up buying was actually a better purchase and so it was a good thing that you lost out on that first deal. We rationalize!

What you're going to find is that each guy on this forum pretty much feels his model is the best dollar per value. The guy with the 4S will suggest the Turbo's are just faster and the car is already fast enough and who needs the speeding tickets. Same with the base model guy and soon the GTS guy. Another guy tried to tell me that the Turbo S wouldn't be ideal for daily use....as if the ride and power make it somehow impractical or too raw. You know that saying about opinions....

Had I not gotten the Turbo S I'm sure I'd be writing about how the newer car was the better purchase and I'd have a list of reasons.....but since I bought the Turbo S I'm going to tell you that when you own the Turbo S, you NEVER have to wonder if you're missing out on the higher performance and power. No Porsche drives up and puts you 2nd fiddle; you are the top dog driving the big bad boy and if you're gonna own a Porsche, may as well go big and enjoy!

And yeah, the regen is fairly weak and you have to continue to push the little button each time you get in the car and sometimes between switching modes. I dunno, this thing is wonky and definitely NOT intuitive....but over time it comes to you and most things make sense.

And while the car is charging, how come there's no visual means to see that it's charging and how charged it is? With my Jag you open any door and a display comes up within seconds....with this car you open the door and nothing happens, you have to turn the car on and then it may display it. A few times something is displayed but I think you need to remove the remote and walk up to the car and open the door. I keep my remote in the car so it seems to require a full turn-on before I can see some display of battery charge indication. Lots of things seem weird but hot-damn this car is beautiful and stunning!

Hahaaa what you said is just so true and spot on!!
I kept hearing that Turbo and Turbo S are not practical and who needs the speed but honestly the fact that I have the power of a rollercoaster under my feet at anytime is exhilarating and youre right hardly any car on the streets can compete with you… just a flick and youre miles ahead… the car and the power that comes with it are just beautiful….
ive always gone for the practical stuff in life and always wondered or justified the higher models… but as you correctly said I no longer go to bed wondering how it would have felt to have this beast under my feet.
congratulations onyour purchase as well and see u in the streets!

 

[Sepehr]

Hahaaa what you said is just so true and spot on!!
I kept hearing that Turbo and Turbo S are not practical and who needs the speed but honestly the fact that I have the power of a rollercoaster under my feet at anytime is exhilarating and youre right hardly any car on the streets can compete with you… just a flick and youre miles ahead… the car and the power that comes with it are just beautiful….
ive always gone for the practical stuff in life and always wondered or justified the higher models… but as you correctly said I no longer go to bed wondering how it would have felt to have this beast under my feet.
congratulations onyour purchase as well and see u in the streets!

By the way when my car goes to charge the entire bottom console shows the charging status even when i lock the car its still on and shows the status… not sure why yours doesnt… might wanna check it with the dealer.

 

[JDNEPA]

Thanks again! Yes, It feels like the best I can get is 33.3 kw/100 with it and now im getting 220 at 100% for the first time.

Although I had a question about Auto Regen,,, first im seriously impressed with it,,, its so intelligent, unlike Tesla,,,, it allows me to cruise and figures out when there is a car in front of me and that I have to break and then brakes for me using the regen without me even attempting to apply the breaks.... Its just awesome.
So my question is,,,, how on earth can I get Auto-Regen to stay on??!! Everytime I turn the car ON it is OFF by default. I added it to my individual mode driving but again everytime I turn the car ON its automatically on NORMAL mode and I have to change it to INDIVIDUAL. Its a bit annoying I cant configure this to say ON.

Glad the estimate is up and more in line with what you should expect. Ref Auto-Regen and I haven't really put any braincells to figure that out yet (or if you can set it to stay on). My. normal mode has no regen at all set, but sport/sportplus do (not auto). I typically have made it a habit to hold the button initially getting into the car and/or anytime I'm flipping modes. There probably is a way to set it (possibly saving like seat position). I should try to figure that out.... (or if someone here already has figured it out) - let me know so I can replicate.....

 

[Genau]

And yeah, the regen is fairly weak and you have to continue to push the little button each time you get in the car and sometimes between switching modes. I dunno, this thing is wonky and definitely NOT intuitive....

First, thanks for describing your Turbo-S experience. Second, what is your concern with the default recuperation setting? The default setting is to coast as much as possible, with recuperation when you press the brake pedal. Sport and Sport+ mode overrride this. The Taycan achieves far greater energy recuperation during braking than other EVs. This is the most energy efficient approach and therefore what Porsche had to set as default for the U.S. EPA test.

 

[Steve R]

Hahaaa what you said is just so true and spot on!!
I kept hearing that Turbo and Turbo S are not practical and who needs the speed but honestly the fact that I have the power of a rollercoaster under my feet at anytime is exhilarating and youre right hardly any car on the streets can compete with you… just a flick and youre miles ahead… the car and the power that comes with it are just beautiful….
ive always gone for the practical stuff in life and always wondered or justified the higher models… but as you correctly said I no longer go to bed wondering how it would have felt to have this beast under my feet.
congratulations onyour purchase as well and see u in the streets!

Glad my input resonated with you. With Ferrari's, they offered a Challenge Stradale version of certain models and these were cars that were really for the track.....they had a very rigid suspension, crazy loud exhaust, lots of carbon fiber, lightweight seats, somewhat gutted interior and it was truly a track car; this would be an example of a model that WOULD be impractical for driving daily on regular city streets with all the pot holes, cracks, irregularities in the asphalt and dipped entrances to parking lots.

Newsflash: the Turbo and Turbo S are really the same platform and simply have bigger motors, making them a bit heavier and more powerful......but this notion of them being impractical for daily driving???? You can (and I often do) drive them mellow and cruise along like any other vehicle. Also, guess what....the Taycan and Audi E-Tron share the same platform as well and it has more trunk room and is more comfortable for rear seat passengers....do we really want to have a discussion on practicality and value?

I've never done P-cars before but I was told that Porsche is the master of marketing; they make a vehicle for every ass.....the executive who came into a big bonus or the multimillionaire. How many cars can you think of that the base model starts at $90k and the top of the line can run just over $200k....and is it surprising that each owner has their version of why their purchase made the most sense? It's beyond laughable.....but hey, we chomped hard on that bait. LOL; they should offer a base version that comes with carbon fiber aero details, bigger wheels & brakes and the words Taycan Turbo S+ across the back....that's pretty much do the trick.

Check this out: prior to the Taycan I was driving a Jaguar I-pace and we bought it because I was doing a lot of driving back and forth to a ranch and racking-up the fuel bills. I honestly had no idea the thing was fast as heck, it blast past almost everything especially from a stand still. It also (somehow) carves the canyons. Never thought I'd love the car as much as I do....but the wife kept taking it so I picked-up a Taycan.

Full confession: the first time I dropped the hammer to feel it's 'awesome acceleration'....there was little surprise, it simply, merely and modestly felt a bit faster than the Jag. I realize it's 4.5 seconds as compared to 2.6 seconds but in real life it didn't translate to that much of a legit difference.....and again, we're driving on city streets so it's not really like we get a chance to exploit that power.

And what is 0 -60 but ONE singular quality of a vehicle, that's like having a beauty pageant and comparing contestants entirely on their breast size alone. What about the way the car looks, the way it handles, the sound and visceral experience? I think we place way too much on the speed factor. We do realize that almost any drag car goes 0-60 in 0.4 seconds but that's perhaps not the prudent choice to take to the market for groceries, lol

Look....I wanted a Porsche and a Porsche is an upscale sports car. I wanted the features, the looks and I wanted the bad-ass version.....I didn't want to have to rationalize why I went with a lower version. As far as holding value, these are production cars and while they may hold some value, you don't buy a car as an investment.....you buy stocks, real estate, bonds and invest in businesses as an investment. You buy this car for fun and hopefully because you own your home, have your retirement planned and can afford it. You gotta think of them as disposable and simply be happy when they retain some value. I think we may see these EV's being more like computers where new tech really pushes the older stuff to almost worthless...BUT these will always be Porsches and somebody out there will always think it'd be cool to own one so there'll be some value when we upgrade to the next badass toy that comes down the turnpike.

 

[Sepehr]

First, thanks for describing your Turbo-S experience. Second, what is your concern with the default recuperation setting? The default setting is to coast as much as possible, with recuperation when you press the brake pedal. Sport and Sport+ mode overrride this. The Taycan achieves far greater energy recuperation during braking than other EVs. This is the most energy efficient approach and therefore what Porsche had to set as default for the U.S. EPA test.

Glad my input resonated with you. With Ferrari's, they offered a Challenge Stradale version of certain models and these were cars that were really for the track.....they had a very rigid suspension, crazy loud exhaust, lots of carbon fiber, lightweight seats, somewhat gutted interior and it was truly a track car; this would be an example of a model that WOULD be impractical for driving daily on regular city streets with all the pot holes, cracks, irregularities in the asphalt and dipped entrances to parking lots.

Newsflash: the Turbo and Turbo S are really the same platform and simply have bigger motors, making them a bit heavier and more powerful......but this notion of them being impractical for daily driving???? You can (and I often do) drive them mellow and cruise along like any other vehicle. Also, guess what....the Taycan and Audi E-Tron share the same platform as well and it has more trunk room and is more comfortable for rear seat passengers....do we really want to have a discussion on practicality and value?

I've never done P-cars before but I was told that Porsche is the master of marketing; they make a vehicle for every ass.....the executive who came into a big bonus or the multimillionaire. How many cars can you think of that the base model starts at $90k and the top of the line can run just over $200k....and is it surprising that each owner has their version of why their purchase made the most sense? It's beyond laughable.....but hey, we chomped hard on that bait. LOL; they should offer a base version that comes with carbon fiber aero details, bigger wheels & brakes and the words Taycan Turbo S+ across the back....that's pretty much do the trick.

Check this out: prior to the Taycan I was driving a Jaguar I-pace and we bought it because I was doing a lot of driving back and forth to a ranch and racking-up the fuel bills. I honestly had no idea the thing was fast as heck, it blast past almost everything especially from a stand still. It also (somehow) carves the canyons. Never thought I'd love the car as much as I do....but the wife kept taking it so I picked-up a Taycan.

Full confession: the first time I dropped the hammer to feel it's 'awesome acceleration'....there was little surprise, it simply, merely and modestly felt a bit faster than the Jag. I realize it's 4.5 seconds as compared to 2.6 seconds but in real life it didn't translate to that much of a legit difference.....and again, we're driving on city streets so it's not really like we get a chance to exploit that power.

And what is 0 -60 but ONE singular quality of a vehicle, that's like having a beauty pageant and comparing contestants entirely on their breast size alone. What about the way the car looks, the way it handles, the sound and visceral experience? I think we place way too much on the speed factor. We do realize that almost any drag car goes 0-60 in 0.4 seconds but that's perhaps not the prudent choice to take to the market for groceries, lol

Look....I wanted a Porsche and a Porsche is an upscale sports car. I wanted the features, the looks and I wanted the bad-ass version.....I didn't want to have to rationalize why I went with a lower version. As far as holding value, these are production cars and while they may hold some value, you don't buy a car as an investment.....you buy stocks, real estate, bonds and invest in businesses as an investment. You buy this car for fun and hopefully because you own your home, have your retirement planned and can afford it. You gotta think of them as disposable and simply be happy when they retain some value. I think we may see these EV's being more like computers where new tech really pushes the older stuff to almost worthless...BUT these will always be Porsches and somebody out there will always think it'd be cool to own one so there'll be some value when we upgrade to the next badass toy that comes down the turnpike.

loved your post and totally agree.
i got it because I wanted to get the full experience at least once in my life. Though havent we all made once a call to date someone only because her big breasts? Lols… no issues there, just have to realise for it to be a marriage you need everything to work. With the car what im extremely becoming more appreciative of is the drive… the quality of interior and just overall experience….. I bet your Jag was nice but honestly ive driven a lot of brands and Porsche just feels different in the overall experience.
With the Tycan we now have a drag quality car with the luxury of a high end brand and a look of a sexy car between a sports car and a lux car.
Keep remembering when Jerry Sienfeld said in an interview the same thing that he loves Porsche because the overall experience is superior that any other car.
decades of chasis, engine, steering etc. has gone into this.

 

[Sepehr]

First, thanks for describing your Turbo-S experience. Second, what is your concern with the default recuperation setting? The default setting is to coast as much as possible, with recuperation when you press the brake pedal. Sport and Sport+ mode overrride this. The Taycan achieves far greater energy recuperation during braking than other EVs. This is the most energy efficient approach and therefore what Porsche had to set as default for the U.S. EPA test.

With recoup my only issue is that I want it ON by default in my Regular mode OR I want the car to start on my Individual mode where I have set it ON. But each time I turn the car ON I have to either turn active recoup ON or turn my drive mode to Individual…. Many times I get in and in the middle of driving I realise I didnt have it ON for hours.

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