GTS Sport Turismo range

[Sidicks]

Can I just ask, am I being weird by having the AC off 95% of the time? I only ever have it on during the four days of summer we get in the UK... I never use it in the cold??

...only asking because it seems to make a huge difference to range (according to Porsche's own range calculator).

On an ICE I have the air conditioning on permanently, as it keeps a comfortable, constant temperature and helps to avoid condensation etc. My plan is to do the same for my Taycan, as I don’t expect to have any range issues for 99.9% of my journeys.

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[Wilson]

Coming from a Tesla M3P the weather plays a huge part in the range. Cold and wet weather makes a huge difference (especially the cold)
Full charge in the recent minus temperatures gave me 190 - 200 miles tops. Summer, in 30 degrees + I used to get 320 miles.

that aligns with my experience, I don’t think I ever managed 320 miles from the M3P but I imagine it would get close to that in town driving only during summer. Winter absolutely killed it tho, I would agree it lost a solid 25% range and could easily be up to 33% in particularly bad conditions.

I have only had one test drive in a Taycan 4S so far but at 94% charge it was saying 232 miles range and seemed more realistic in its estimations while driving. We drove it for 90 minutes including going home to check it on our charger etc, we used 17% of the battery in total and did about 45 miles.

The M3P we arrived at Porsche in used 10% battery on the 17 mile motorway drive to the dealership at 2 Deg C. I gave up having it set to miles of range as it only ever displayed WLTP mileage calculated from current state of charge so was totally useless, it never factored in conditions and would always over read remaining range

 

[Ross]

Can I just ask, am I being weird by having the AC off 95% of the time? I only ever have it on during the four days of summer we get in the UK... I never use it in the cold??

...only asking because it seems to make a huge difference to range (according to Porsche's own range calculator).

Absolutely not weird.
I am the same.
A/C air is dry and less healthy.
Dries out yr tubes and viruses spread.
Moist air much healthier. Traps viruses.
You should run A/C occasionally, whatever, to keep it all working.
I only ever use it to demist or if it’s baking hot on those same 4 days when the passengers complain and even then I only ever find I need A/C ECO.
Warm air keeps the windows clear in winter just like in the old days unless it’s peeing down and the car is full of damp kids after a walk in the rain.
In summer at slow speeds I crack a window.
A/C really cuts the range.
Rarely ‘needed’ in UK.

 

[Sidicks]

Absolutely not weird.
I am the same.
A/C air is dry and less healthy.
Dries out yr tubes and viruses spread.
Moist air much healthier. Traps viruses.
You should run A/C occasionally, whatever, to keep it all working.
I only ever use it to demist or if it’s baking hot on those same 4 days when the passengers complain and even then I only ever find I need A/C ECO.
Warm air keeps the windows clear in winter just like in the old days unless it’s peeing down and the car is full of damp kids after a walk in the rain.
In summer at slow speeds I crack a window.
A/C really cuts the range.
Rarely ‘needed’ in UK.

Surely if it’s not needed, it would affect the range much? If it does adversely affect the range, it must be doing something significant?!

 

[Ross]

Surely if it’s not needed, it would affect the range much? If it does adversely affect the range, it must be doing something significant?!

You’re right. It’s not a huge effect but it is significant when we are all so range sensitive. If the A/C compressor is running it is a drain on the battery.
The amount of drain varies.

Need is a perception of the individual.

I don’t ‘need’ A/C on much as I am comfortable on my breathable ‘warm in winter’ ‘cool in summer’ Alcantara between 19 and 23 degrees as long as I have the right clothing for the occasion. No sweaty leather for me!

If you need a constant, exact 21 degrees with perfect humidity control whatever the weather the A/C compressor will be working hard and sucking watts out of the battery.

 

[W1NGE]

Can I just ask, am I being weird by having the AC off 95% of the time? I only ever have it on during the four days of summer we get in the UK... I never use it in the cold??

...only asking because it seems to make a huge difference to range (according to Porsche's own range calculator).

AC is needed to dry incoming air and moisture to prevent misting of windows - winter and any time it rains.

AC Eco would be a good compromise rather than fully off.

AC uses a lot of energy hence the hit on range but remember too that with recuperation on you may gain some of these 'lost' miles over a reasonably long journey.

 

[ciaranob]

This conversation is somewhat amusing to me - in my part of the world (massive humidity and heat) I drive pretty much year round with my AC on normal - permanently - and I mean constantly - and not once have I worried about range impact on any length trip I’ve taken to date.
Admittedly if I was doing multi-hundred mile long trips either weekly or even monthly it might be more pertinent but I strongly suspect people are seriously over-thinking impact here.
Best advice is stop worrying and enjoy the car

 

[simcity]

in my part of the world (massive humidity and heat) I drive pretty much year round with my AC on normal - permanently - and I mean constantly - and not once have I worried about range impact on any length trip I’ve taken to date.

Our range here in the UK takes a natural knock in our cooler winter (and autumn and spring time) temps anyway.

Significantly more effect on range than running the AC or not. Which looks like a rounding error by comparison.

There’s a huge difference between range at 5c and 25c ambient.

 

[BMonte13]

A year/10K of ownership and averaging 3.6mi/KWh in a RWD with 20 inch wheels and PB+. I plug in nightly and preheat/precool which to my understanding does NOT use the cars battery if plugged in. Regen always on and I'd say I only punch it maybe 1-2/week. I otherwise enjoy the smooth luxury of my beautiful Taycan and cool/heat as needed to be comfortable during the drive.

 

[W1NGE]

A year/10K of ownership and averaging 3.6mi/KWh in a RWD with 20 inch wheels and PB+. I plug in nightly and preheat/precool which to my understanding does NOT use the cars battery if plugged in. Regen always on and I'd say I only punch it maybe 1-2/week. I otherwise enjoy the smooth luxury of my beautiful Taycan and cool/heat as needed to be comfortable during the drive.

Living in CA would guarantee that.

In UK I got 3.3mi/kWh over 2 years and 20.5k miles on a 4S so not too shabby.

My GTS ST has some ways to go but expect I'll get close to my 4S once I have some miles.

 

[Archimedes]

Living in CA would guarantee that.

In UK I got 3.3mi/kWh over 2 years and 20.5k miles on a 4S so not too shabby.

My GTS ST has some ways to go but expect I'll get close to my 4S once I have some miles.

Well I live in California and in 10k miles my average is 2.8mi/kWH, and I don’t even believe it‘s that high, as that would imply more range than my actual calculations indicate. I have a 4S with 21” Mission E wheels, drive like a nutter, and use AC ECO pretty much all the time.

My average speed is much higher than BMonte’s though.

 

[BMonte13]

".. drive like a nutter..."

?. Own it brother. Love it.

 

[W1NGE]

Well I live in California and in 10k miles my average is 2.8mi/kWH, and I don’t even believe it‘s that high, as that would imply more range than my actual calculations indicate. I have a 4S with 21” Mission E wheels, drive like a nutter, and use AC ECO pretty much all the time.

My average speed is much higher than BMonte’s though.

High consumption comes with driving like a nutter I guess.

 

[Archimedes]

High consumption comes with driving like a nutter I guess.

You’d think, but if I plug my car specs and road conditions into the Porsche range estimator, it indicates almost exactly what I’m getting. So I guess Porsche assumes we’ll drive like nuts.

 

[DoctorLife]

Can I just ask, am I being weird by having the AC off 95% of the time? I only ever have it on during the four days of summer we get in the UK... I never use it in the cold??

...only asking because it seems to make a huge difference to range (according to Porsche's own range calculator).

Not weird, from March to October, I hardly ever have AC or the standard fan on in my current S class as the V8 needs all the help it can get to go from 2 mpg to 3! Deepest darkest winter is the only exception to clear condensation in the morning.

I do have seat heating on most of the time in winter though...I am assuming that seat heating will use less battery than the AC in an EV, hope that's correct?

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