Turbo vs Turbo S

[Talisker]

I recently replaced me Taycan Turbo 2020 with a Taycan ST Turbo S, pretty much identical spec, except I changed vegan interior to leather and added a HUD.
Would I do it again, absolutely not! Aside from the insurance costing four times as much (separate thread), there is minimal performance increase aside launch control and the range is greatly reduced. With the Turbo I could easily get to Heathrow and back at 70 MPH, now I'm sitting at 55 MPH for much of the journey. The ceramic brakes are not different, I've not noticed the rear wheel steering. Finally, it's not as good looking from the front, with the Turbo you could get the Sports Design Pack in the body colour, you can't with the Turbo S, instead it's either black or carbon, see image below. It's sort of nice that so many people don't stop to admire it, but at the same time my ego is suffering
The club leather seats are more comfortable than the vegan, but not £30K more comfortable

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[WuffvonTrips]

Commiserations, were you expecting more of a difference over the Turbo?
Are they on the same wheels & tyres? Has regen braking kicked in yet on the S?
The benefit of CC brakes is less fade- unlikely to be an issue for normal brakes in public road use.
I think the manoeuvrability advantage of RAS is sometimes overstated, especially if you're already used to driving a Taycan without it.

 

[BigBob]

A friend of my father's always bought his cars (always a range rover) in the same colour so that his wife didn't realise he'd got new one. Just wondering.....

 

[Talisker]

A friend of my father's always bought his cars (always a range rover) in the same colour so that his wife didn't realise he'd got new one. Just wondering.....

It's true, with private plates, most people don't know and assume I'm sweating my old car out for another few years

 

[Caraholic]

Sorry to hear though at times I do regret not going turbo s. That extra launch control I crave at times

 

[Talisker]

Sorry to hear though at times I do regret not going turbo s. That extra launch control I crave at times

But the difference is only 0.4s

 

[Caraholic]

But the difference is only 0.4s

It was a very noticeable difference to me. Turbo launch control is quick but the turbo s took my breath away.

 

[phib]

Interesting, I have just gone for a turbo (saloon) which I had for 2 years and 34k miles, I have now changed this to a Turbo 'S" sport turismo 2 weeks ago
I pretty much have the oposite view I am afraid.
The brakes are night and day on mine, ceramics are so much better and it feels alot faster.
Worth the extra 30k for me but we are all difference
Re range mine started at 195 when i picked it up and after 1,000 miles its up to 220

 

[Tesla2Taycan]

Commiserations, were you expecting more of a difference over the Turbo?
Are they on the same wheels & tyres? Has regen braking kicked in yet on the S?
The benefit of CC brakes is less fade- unlikely to be an issue for normal brakes in public road use.
I think the manoeuvrability advantage of RAS is sometimes overstated, especially if you're already used to driving a Taycan without it.

I personally could tell the difference in maneuverability between my Taycan GTS with rear wheel steering and a loaner Taycan without it. Mine is definitely more agile.

 

[grahamsimmonds]

I went the other way. My beautiful Mamba Green Turbo S to a Carmine Red Turbo.
God, I miss the ceramics. When you brake from 150 - 60 mph the PSCBs are simply not as good. Bloody Porsche wouldn’t allow me to spec them on the Turbo. So many Turbo S’ where they are entirely wasted.

 

[andb]

The brakes are night and day on mine, ceramics are so much better and it feels alot faster.

Indeed the PSCB brakes are not too good for the performance and weight of Turbo / S. I tried at high speed with car in neutral, have to push the pedal very hard to engage ABS.

 

[PorscheCH]

Would be interesting to have @daveo4EV point of view here.. (i have pscb on taycan turbo ct and the pccb on the 992 tts, hard to compare)

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Would be interesting to have @daveo4EV point of view here.. (i have pscb on taycan turbo ct and the pccb on the 992 tts, hard to compare)

Ceramic discs don't have a better friction coefficient than cast iron; however, they are lighter, more tolerant to heat and (on the street) less dusty. I'll see your Dave* and raise you one @f1eng for a proper insider's account.

PCCBs feel better because they are bigger - there's just more braking power. Original Porsche Brakes | Slow down, extremely fast - Porsche USA : " These larger cross-drilled brake discs provide considerably greater power"

*No disrespect intended, and I'm sure (hope?) Dave will know that.

 

[daveo4EV]

@f1eng is more experienced than me, a subject matter expert, and I'll always defer to his experience and judgement - and I believe I've done so in the past...I also believe he largely agrees with my assertions

PCCB's are pointless on this vehicle - their super power of thermal endurance can't be exploited as Taycan doesn't have enough stamina to run hard enough or long enough to reach thermal saturation of the excellent cast iron brakes…you'll run out of battery (power & thermal capacity) and/or tires before the brakes are saturated on most EV's produced today (including Taycan)

I'm also largely dubious of "pedal" feel given the heavily computer controlled blended regen+friction braking of the Taycan - pedal feel has to be mostly a synthesized/simulated affair brought to you by Porsche's excellent vehicle dynamic's software team - since you as the driver do not control regen vs. friction - any pedal feel you have is created for your enjoyment/feedback because there is no pedal "feel" for regen…and the transition to friction is under the computer's control - so any "pedal feel" prior to the friction brakes must be synthesized and then the transition also has to be managed so you don't feel any difference - has to be a "fake" pedal - it really wouldn't work any other way…IMHO

I would suggest any perceived difference in pedal feel on Taycan is psychology based and expectations biassed - but I could be wrong - this is a recent line of thinking for me - but certainly for any light brakeing where only regen is involved the pedal feel is synthesized vs. actual mechanical feedback…

on 99% of modern cars tire grip and maximum tire deceleration rates with ABS limits are what dictate stopping distance and "power" - brakes have long since stopped being the limiting factor in stopping a vehicle - the brakes are stronger than your tires - so therefore they don't matter in 99% of street driving circumstances…

@f1eng telling me I'm full of it or that he's never agreed with me - I'm a big boy I can take it- but PCCB's are un-necessary on most cars and 100% unnecessary on full BEV's with advance and powerful regenations systmes where the friction brakes are not involved 90% of the time.

I snapped this photo from a Porsche Taycan presenation last week in anticipation of this frequent topic - it documents how regen behaves in the various settings for Taycan - this porsche factory information and therefore not subject to debate

I weclome comments and corrections - but PCCB's are a cosmetic choice on Taycan - not a function choice - when I configured my .2 GTS/Turbo in the configurator none of my future builds include PCCB's - un-necessary non-functional expense - like carbon fibre splitter or black high-gloss door handle - important choice and a valid choice, but non-functional choice.

 

[bluesky]

Ceramic brakes also cost big time to replace if you own the car long enough or something bad happens, like cracking a rotor. When I was in for a brake job on my BMW, the head mechanic was telling me I was fortunate not to have the ceramic brakes, because they had another M5 of the same year in and it was going to cost $30k in parts, and the rotors weren’t available from Germany for a while. It’s always amused me since that so many buyers try to score a used car with ceramic brakes, but they don’t realize what they’re getting into…

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