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I think the shape of the headlights will be modified to all .2 cars.
The inside of the headlights are different. The third has a 'HD MATRIX LED' option. 'MATRIX LED' will sit below, base 'LED' maybe disappear or will have 3 steps (LED/MATRIX LED/HD MATRIX LED) out of the existing 2 options (LED/MATRIX LED).
Agree. Shape and form all changes. Internals will be options. I do like the new HD Led. But am ok with having paid less for MY 23 :)
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I think the shape of the headlights will be modified to all .2 cars.
The inside of the headlights are different. The third has a 'HD MATRIX LED' option. 'MATRIX LED' will sit below, base 'LED' maybe disappear or will have 3 steps (LED/MATRIX LED/HD MATRIX LED) out of the existing 2 options (LED/MATRIX LED).
How long before someone like NIO or Tesla offer "drive-in chargers" - your headlights project a movie on a screen in front of your car, while your car charges and you order food on your infotainment which is delivered to your car by autonomous waiters.
 
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I think the shape of the headlights will be modified to all .2 cars.
The inside of the headlights are different. The third has a 'HD MATRIX LED' option. 'MATRIX LED' will sit below, base 'LED' maybe disappear or will have 3 steps (LED/MATRIX LED/HD MATRIX LED) out of the existing 2 options (LED/MATRIX LED).
The demo is very impressive, but - one year in - I am undecided on the auto-high beams feature. It's pretty quick to respond, and fairly smart - I'm using "pretty" and "fairly" because it's not 100% reliable. It's slow to react in turns to oncoming traffic, sometimes it stops recognizing a car in front that's been there for a while, and it won't recognize some of the more "creative" headlights of incoming cars (like, say, broken headlights, or the jewel kind with the candlepower of a tea candle). Another aggravation, albeit second order, is that the camera needs to see oncoming headlights to dim, and there is always the very eager driver who starts flashing their beams from around the turn (ie before they have line of sight).

It's this kind of inconsistency that makes automation a bit of a letdown for me - whether it's headlights, auto regen or lane keeping. Great effort, must do better.
 

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The demo is very impressive, but - one year in - I am undecided on the auto-high beams feature. It's pretty quick to respond, and fairly smart - I'm using "pretty" and "fairly" because it's not 100% reliable. It's slow to react in turns to oncoming traffic, sometimes it stops recognizing a car in front that's been there for a while, and it won't recognize some of the more "creative" headlights of incoming cars (like, say, broken headlights, or the jewel kind with the candlepower of a tea candle). Another aggravation, albeit second order, is that the camera needs to see oncoming headlights to dim, and there is always the very eager driver who starts flashing their beams from around the turn (ie before they have line of sight).

It's this kind of inconsistency that makes automation a bit of a letdown for me - whether it's headlights, auto regen or lane keeping. Great effort, must do better.
But you do not have Matrix lights do you?

I have that Here in Europe and they are brilliant! Best lights I have hd on ny car and they er not dazzling oncoming traffic.
 

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But you do not have Matrix lights do you?

I have that Here in Europe and they are brilliant! Best lights I have hd on ny car and they er not dazzling oncoming traffic.
I do not. However, the issue is not in the projection of light, it's in the recognition - and I really doubt that is much better with matrix lamps.
 


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Wanted to answer the same. Matrix is faster smoother much more intelligent. It is far not a high beam assistant level in any case.
 

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I do not. However, the issue is not in the projection of light, it's in the recognition - and I really doubt that is much better with matrix lamps.
Yes it is very good for recognition. It blanks out the portion where car come towards you but light up the road ahead. For similar experience of matrix lights look at this video of a BMW i5! Same functionality on Taycan with full matrix leds

 

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I had both after each other. Matrix's reaction is working differently in stages while high beam assistant is a simple switch. Actually HB is on for long, just segments and lighting distance regulated at the first stage up to close up with the incoming vehicle. Only high-seating lorries are flashing but exclusively on highly fenced highways.
 


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I find it interesting that Porsche does such local weather prep only. Don't people from South East drive out of state anywhere there temperatures drop under 32F? And if they do, shouldn't Porsche have added some setting in the PCM to warn users as they enter colder temperatures that their cars need different prep? They already stick a giant sticker with max speed based on tire speed rating, why not add a sticker about minimum temperature to drive in. Of course they could have also added heated washer nozzles, but I guess too much cost and complexity?
We seriously don't get heated washer jets? That is basic tech, if you can even call it tech...! ?
 

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Yes it is very good for recognition. It blanks out the portion where car come towards you but light up the road ahead. For similar experience of matrix lights look at this video of a BMW i5! Same functionality on Taycan with full matrix leds

It feels as though I didn't make my point clear. The recognition aspect is what bothers me. I don't see any reason why recognition would be better with the "matrix" headline - as far as I know, it's fed by the camera(s), and some software that then decides which pixels to turn off (or, in my poverty-spec case, the light bulb itself).

Does the 17 min video make the clear case recognition is different with matrix lights? I stopped after 3 seconds..
 

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I had posted in the forum previously that the extensive and lengthy testing program for the facelift Taycan was pointing to the changes being fairly signifcant and not just front and rear bumpers, seems like I may have been right: "Faster, higher, further - we have improved the new Taycan in practically every discipline compared to its predecessor," says Model Line Vice President Kevin Giek. "Because the changes are so extensive, the grueling testing program is almost comparable to that for a new model."

https://carbuzz.com/news/2025-porch...ates-will-be-as-extensive-as-an-all-new-model
 

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Ok. Than Mr. Giek please come out with those extensive changes in details.
Up to that it is just a marketing bla-bla.
 

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We seriously don't get heated washer jets? That is basic tech, if you can even call it tech...! ?
Not even an option for a Taycan. Makes me wonder whether their choice to do winter testing at the arctic circle rather places with regular winters, caused them to never test windshield washer performance (everything frozen solid in the arctic, no salt on the ice tracks, nothing ever sticks to the windshield).

Maybe they held onto this option until the refresh Taycan?
 

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I do not. However, the issue is not in the projection of light, it's in the recognition - and I really doubt that is much better with matrix lamps.
The recognition is with adaptive matrix headlights enabled is not different hardware, but it's tuned differently. It can be a lot more sensitive and do earlier detection, especially at the far distances, as with adaptive matrix it will just blank out a few pixels around the detection, but with NA auto-beam-lowering that effect would be amplified. While having your beam be modified to avoid a possible headlight in the opposing lane is barely noticeable, shutting off high beam at every low possibility of a headlight would be annoying. People outside of NA who have can experiment with both modes, and can see the difference between auto-high-beam vs. adaptive-high-beam. With the adaptive high beam it even blanks out upcoming traffic lights in a distance especially when there are 2 and are red, probably because they somewhat resemble tail lights of a car - no big deal for the driver since they really don't require illumination, but if that would shut off high beam it would be inconvenient.

I'm not saying Porsche matrix headlights is perfect, it is not, but the detection algorithm is definitely more sensitive. The new Taycan is supposed to have HD matrix which will have even higher resolution, so theoretically able to blank out upcoming cars (same or opposing direction) with higher precision - detection and projection calibration precision will have to follow to take full advantage of that, unless the high resolution is to project navigation and warning signage on the road in front font of the car.
 
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The recognition is with adaptive matrix headlights enabled is not different hardware, but it's tuned differently. [...]
I'm not saying Porsche matrix headlights is perfect, it is not, but the detection algorithm is definitely more sensitive.
If I may paraphrase, your statement is that detection is top-notch, but the decision making is more conservative for dumb lights?

If the theory is that the error margin for the "lights off" signal can be lower for matrix lights, I'd suspect that turning off swaths of pixels incorrectly/on false positives would be just as annoying or unsettling as turning off completely the dumb lights. (Well, not really off, just low beams.)

But ok, I gather from this that the overall user experience is better with matrix headlights - and that's all that matters. Thanks, all.
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