Taycan battery may repeat Bolt battery disaster

[Tooney]

Forgive my ignorance - who received these letters in the USA stating not to park the Taycan in a garage?

Sample owner notification letters for recall ARB6 posted at NHTSA did not contain advice not to park or charge recalled US Taycans in buildings. That advice was included in letters for ARB6 VINs in UK and some other countries.

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[AyTifosi]

I honestly love my Taycan. Yet, right now it sits bricked in the garage. The 12v died while sitting in a 45 degree garage, about eight days after driving it last. That led me back here, as I haven't been on the boards for a while. Digging into all this is disheartening. Thanks to everyone here for sharing information and perspectives. Subscribed.

 

[Dee]

I don't understand how people can go: "don't worry, all will be ok" when 1/3 of all taycans sold have confirmed battery issues.

What issues?
It's a precaution measure.
This recall doesn't mean it has issues, it means it's being checked.
Your conclusions lead to speculation which is what forum members love to do, hence the dramatic title of this thread.
I'm waiting for the conspiracy theories here if not already started.

In general:
If a risk of fire gets higher, it still doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Porsche has a certain quality standard and doesn't want to get into trouble doing nothing, hence these battery recalls.
Don't forget this is new technology and people are afraid of new things, even if you own an EV already.
I can fully understand that but turning it into this drama is just ridiculous.

PS I never got the warning to not park the car indoors or charge to 100%.

PPS I know about the fires of the Bolt, never seen a fire of a Taycan due to the battery.
A Taycan is definitely not known for catching fire, a Bolt or I-pace are.
EV fires are news so we would've known.

 

[Dee]

Jaguar and electricity are mutually exclusive.

I think you mean Lucas and electricity.
Many English car manufacturers used Lucas for instruments.
Lucas was called "Lord of Darkness" back in the days, lol!

 

[chun]

What issues?
It's a precaution measure.
This recall doesn't mean it has issues, it means it's being checked.
Your conclusions lead to speculation which is what forum members love to do, hence the dramatic title of this thread.
I'm waiting for the conspiracy theories here if not already started.

In general:
If a risk of fire gets bigger, it still doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Porsche has a certain quality standard and doesn't want to get into trouble doing nothing, hence these battery recalls.
Don't forget this is new technology and people are afraid of new things, even if you own an EV already.
I can fully understand that but turning it into this drama is just ridiculous.

No, in europe ALL HV recalls are marked as due to manufacturing issues So not a precaution messure. And it covers ALL cars 2019-2024.

A combination of production issues (such as a torn anode tab, a folded cathode tab, a peeled-off cathode or a double production topic pouch crack) was found in some of the batteries' high-voltage modules.

It's not a precaution messure. It means that ANY of the cars produced between 2019-2024 could have production issues of the HV battery that could result in a fire.

Them being incapable of determining exactly what cars can have the issue, is not a reassurance or a proof of caution from Porsche's side. It's incompetence. Your car or my car could have production issues with the HV battery that can result in fire, and they don't know.

They are not recalling the cars because they decided to be excessively cautious, but because there are regulations when people's lives are concerned and if they don't follow them they will be banned from selling.

I can guarantee you that all it takes is 1 battery fire while any of these recalls is active for porsche to issue a ban on driving and being forced to get all cars into storage for maintenance.

Maybe some of you don't know, but these recalls started AFTER cars cought on fire. 1 in USA, 1 in Europe, 1 on a ship and 3 in China last year.

 

[Dee]

No, in europe ALL HV recalls are marked as due to manufacturing issues So not a precaution messure.
And it covers ALL cars 2019-2024.



It's not a precaution messure. It means that ANY of the cars produced between 2019-2024 could have production issues of the HV battery that could result in a fire.

I don't have issues, never had, like many others.
I've had my recall (2020 Taycan ARA4), all good, nothing's been changed.
It's a precaution measure to AVOID issues, that's what this recall is all about.
It's to LOWER the RISK of getting issues (like overheating, short circuit and/or fire).
Risk doesn't mean it's actually going to happen, it's even stated in the recall letter.

Analogy: The 22 kW OBC has proven issues (but no recall unfortunately).

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think you mean Lucas and electricity.
Many English car manufacturers used Lucas for instruments.
Lucas was called "Lord of Darkness" back in the days, lol!

And Jaguar used Lucas.

 

[chun]

That advice was included in letters for ARB6 VINs in UK and some other countries.

Where there's less regulation, so Porsche can simply put statements that would absolve them of any blame. UK, Swiss, India, Indonesia, etc.
In EU/USA, they can't put that in the letter, as it would be illegal. Any additional damage from a car burning down while recalls are active, would be covered by Porsche.
But in some countries, it's not the case, so of course they will put it in the letter and if a fire happens with additional damage, they will go: "we informed our customers to not park inside, so it is not our fault"

 

[chun]

I don't have issues, never had, like many others.
I've had my recall (2020 Taycan ARA4), all good, nothing's been changed.
It's a precaution measure to AVOID issues, that's what this recall is all about.
It's to LOWER the RISK of getting issues (like overheating, short circuit and/or fire).
Risk doesn't mean it's actually going to happen, it's even stated in the recall letter.

Analogy: The 22 kW OBC has proven issues (but no recall unfortunately).

ARA4 literally replaces damaged battery module. Aka, 1 or more modules with issues. Just because you can't wrap your head around having a battery damaged, doesn't mean it wasn't damaged.

I have also had it, and they marked my ARA4 recall as done; with the actual Action campaign (WRE3) to remain to be done, where they replace the damaged module. And that has also been done now, 2 months after initially marking ARA4 as done.

More than that, my dealer VERY confidently stated that 100% of cars with ARA4 had modules replaced. ARA5 is unconfirmed production issue, and ARA4 is confirmed production issue.

So you have had issues, and likely still have the issue if your battery hasn't had modules replaced, as they are likely waiting for parts only to call you to finish the action item on the recall.

You are trying to discuss semantics, when there are actual facts stated by Porsche for the recalls

 

[tonysmart]

Question for @chun:

really, why don t you just sell your Taycan and move to other brands? Seriously, I understand disappointment, but If I was really scared and anxious or angry at Porsche I would close this chapter instead of spreding terror on forums.

Because one thing is to share useful information, which is great, another is to keep insisting in generating continuous anxiety…

 

[Dee]

ARA4 literally replaces damaged battery module. Aka, 1 or more modules with issues. Just because you can't wrap your head around having a battery damaged, doesn't mean it wasn't damaged.

No modules replaced so no damage so I can wrap my head around it.
Do you have actual data about the amount of replaced modules or is it just assuming and guessing and making big drama?

 

[chun]

No modules replaced so no damage so I can wrap my head around it.
Do you have actual data about the amount of replaced modules or is it just assuming and guessing?

My data is what the dealer said. ARA4 is CONFIRMED battery manufacturing issues. ARA5 is UNCONFIRMED.

And judging by how I went through exactly what you did with my car, 3 months before you, having had the ARA4 action item (WRE3) done only 2 months after being told "ARA4 is done, go", I can infirm that the chance of me being right is quite much higher.

Do you have any actual data about the amount of replaced modules that would lead you to believe that it's just Porsche being excessively cautious? Can you share it with us? Because all the recalls point at ACTUAL manufacturing issues, named by parts.

 

[Dee]

So you have had issues, and likely still have the issue if your battery hasn't had modules replaced, as they are likely waiting for parts only to call you to finish the action item on the recall.

You are guessing and assuming again.
Please stop.

 

[chun]

Question for @chun:

really, why don t you just sell your Taycan and move to other brands? Seriously, I understand disappointment, but If I was really scared and anxious or angry at Porsche I would close this chapter instead of spreding terror on forums.

Because one thing is to share useful information, which is great, another is to keep insisting in generating continuous anxiety…

I am not spreading terror. I am making sure people stop spreading missinformation about "extra precaution from porsche". It's not. These are recalls for confirmed manufacturing issues - that they don't know how many cars or which cars have, due to incompetence.

 

[chun]

You are guessing and assuming again.
Please stop.

Please post the internal documents from Porsche you have that state that it is extra preacution, and actually the recalls are wrong, and there is no confirmed manufacturing issues

Until you do, we will relay on public information and private information obtained from dealers.

And public information states: confirmed manufacturing issues.

And private information obtained from dealers say the same.

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