The Chinese Xiaomi SU7, which mimics Porsche’s Taycan.

[chun]

• Safety -- While I am aware the Chinese automakers are doing a better job with crash safety, the video showing a crash with no airbag release, and a broken seat was clearly a case of a mis-designed braking system. While that system might be "in spec" for a Chinese driver on closely monitored roadways, it should never have been used on a high performance car.

This crash has been misrepresented on this forum so many times...
The whole premise of the video was to drive the car until it crashes. So it was driven hard, until the brakes overheated and gave out. The brakes are standard off the shelf brembo brakes with 10% to 15% smaller pad surface area than a base/4/4s taycan, more than capable of taking responsible driving on a track. However in that particular video, the car was driven with the intention of crashing it and making drama out of it.

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[whitex]

Now do Taycan vs. Model S.

 

[DCYL725]

The xiami phone looks like an iphone.

Oh golly jee, shiver me timbers.

"Imitation is the greatest form of flattery."

Xiaomi is going after the purosangue next.

This is copy cat strategy is exactly how business works and for some reason "innvoation" has been placed on a pedastal. If you're not doing something cool and innovative then GTFO. Sorry, that is not how the real world works. Porsche and Xiaomi DO NOT cater to the same customers and they never will. People that can afford a Porsche will not want to drive a Xiaomi and people in a Xiaomi can not afford a Porsche. There is no other arguement. You either can buy one or you can't, and if you're on the fence and choose the more affordable Xiaomi then it means you can't afford a Porsche at this time. There is no shame in it, it's just reality. People saying " oh now there is a Xiaomi Su7 and i'll buy it because it's cheaper, even though I can afford a Porsche" ultimately still can not shell out for a Porsche. It's as simple as that.

The probem is not Xiaomi in my view, the problem is traditional US/EU manufacuterers making fugly cars from modular pieces to cut down on costs and spitting that shit out to consumers trying to make a profit. Then going to save cool designs for the future so they can milk the consumer for more money. There is ZERO love for design and beauty and only focus on making it cheap, fast, and profitable.

The car in the US and EU is a so called "tool" to get from point A to point B and it's been marginalized as such by educated class that sees themselves above traditional materialistic needs. They are used to seein fugly cars at the cheapest price range because that's all they can choose from. This is what the average consumer thinks. It's not wrong and is a step towards "enlightment" but whoever says beauty is in the eye of the beholder is full of shit.

There are geometric ratios that govern beauty and is not subjective in any sense.

To end, make ugly products, then it will not sell. Xiaomi is taking a loss on each car it sells by the way, but they have light at the end of the tunnel. The car will hit profitability faster than expected.

Look at the new Prius. It's a beauty and toyota has finally caught on. To the ford's and chevy's out there, keep doing what you're doing and feeding the mouths of the people that don't want to disrupt and only stay within their comfort rage. The new guys are here to take your market and lunch.

 

[Gino]

Have you folks seen this car. It's half price of the Taycan in China and is a almost a direct clone. Knocking Porsche out of China. I don't think it's available outside China.
https://www.mi.com/global/discover/article?id=3263

Looks like a combination Tesla Model S & Porsche Taycan but I’m not surprised the skins of these cars look so similar but it’s what’s underneath which is most important and how reliable they end up being.
I’m concerned that Porsche may end up in 3rd place behind Tesla & this Chinese knockoff on reliability which would be quite shocking to me as I purchased my Taycan based on my experience owning ICE Porsches. I bought my 2021 Taycan hoping after a few years they would get all the bugs out but they are still struggling to get the Taycan under control from a reliability standpoint.

 

[Gino]

The xiami phone looks like an iphone.

Oh golly jee, shiver me timbers.

"Imitation is the greatest form of flattery."

Xiaomi is going after the purosangue next.

This is copy cat strategy is exactly how business works and for some reason "innvoation" has been placed on a pedastal. If you're not doing something cool and innovative then GTFO. Sorry, that is not how the real world works. Porsche and Xiaomi DO NOT cater to the same customers and they never will. People that can afford a Porsche will not want to drive a Xiaomi and people in a Xiaomi can not afford a Porsche. There is no other arguement. You either can buy one or you can't, and if you're on the fence and choose the more affordable Xiaomi then it means you can't afford a Porsche at this time. There is no shame in it, it's just reality. People saying " oh now there is a Xiaomi Su7 and i'll buy it because it's cheaper, even though I can afford a Porsche" ultimately still can not shell out for a Porsche. It's as simple as that.

The probem is not Xiaomi in my view, the problem is traditional US/EU manufacuterers making fugly cars from modular pieces to cut down on costs and spitting that shit out to consumers trying to make a profit. Then going to save cool designs for the future so they can milk the consumer for more money. There is ZERO love for design and beauty and only focus on making it cheap, fast, and profitable.

The car in the US and EU is a so called "tool" to get from point A to point B and it's been marginalized as such by educated class that sees themselves above traditional materialistic needs. They are used to seein fugly cars at the cheapest price range because that's all they can choose from. This is what the average consumer thinks. It's not wrong and is a step towards "enlightment" but whoever says beauty is in the eye of the beholder is full of shit.

There are geometric ratios that govern beauty and is not subjective in any sense.

To end, make ugly products, then it will not sell. Xiaomi is taking a loss on each car it sells by the way, but they have light at the end of the tunnel. The car will hit profitability faster than expected.

Look at the new Prius. It's a beauty and toyota has finally caught on. To the ford's and chevy's out there, keep doing what you're doing and feeding the mouths of the people that don't want to disrupt and only stay within their comfort rage. The new guys are here to take your market and lunch.

I agree with you but if Porsche does not get control of their Taycan’s reliability then I won’t be buying a Porsche EV again and will go back to an ICE Porsche and look elsewhere for my EV sports sedan fix. I’m not going to pay a premium for inferior reliability from Porsche. They need to get their act together to earn my support or they will become the equivalent of Jaguar which had beautiful vehicles that drove like a dream but were plagued with constant breakdowns and terrible short & long term reliability.
What good is a high performance car that is always in the shop? Luckily I don’t need my Taycan everyday since I have 3 other vehicles to drive but I am finding I may not be able to trust my Taycan’s reliability so I don’t take it on long trips because I need to be close to my dealer when something goes wrong. This is the first vehicle I’ve ever purchased where I don’t trust its ability to be used as a reliable daily driver.
The Taycan’s beauty & performance sold me initially and I will never sell her but I’m open to buying another make of EV in the next year which will give beauty, performance & reliability which Porsche EVs have yet to demonstrate at any price. I find it hard to believe Porsche is incapable of delivering reliability but how long will they take to get there? I’m growing impatient. I can afford a Porsche but I expect reliability. If I want pure beauty & performance with horrific reliability I can buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I expect more from German engineering…

 

[kort]

They need to get their act together to earn my support or they will become the equivalent of Jaguar which had beautiful vehicles that drove like a dream but were plagued with constant breakdowns and terrible short & long term reliability.

FWIW: my Ipace has only has had one easily corrected problem that required a visit to the repair shop. while I was constantly at the porsche shop for niggly issues and software updates. I had 3 teslas, only the very early model S had issues that required time at the service center.
you are correct, porsche needs to get the car sorted and speed up the repair process when there are problems.

 

[andb]

The next gen Taycan will be critical for the Porsche EV's, if its not flawless from all aspects then they're f*cked. I mean you can't ask 120k for an EV when there's a better one for half the price, no matter the badge.

But anyway I don't see how the US and German car companies will be able to compete with the Chinese. The status symbols like 911, G-Wagon, Rolls, Ferrari, Lambo, etc will survive but the premium and economy cars have slim chances.

 

[Gino]

FWIW: my Ipace has only has had one easily corrected problem that required a visit to the repair shop. while I was constantly at the porsche shop for niggly issues and software updates. I had 3 teslas, only the very early model S had issues that required time at the service center.
you are correct, porsche needs to get the car sorted and speed up the repair process when there are problems.

I’m still hopeful. My wife & I love our Taycan but I fear she will take over the Taycan completely. My only remedy is to buy another Porsche which is as beautiful and fun to drive as the Taycan but it appears at this point that will be a Cayman Coupe ICE or Boxster ICE since I’m not a big fan of the 911 aging design and the Panamera is a bit too bulky. A Taycan coupe ICE would be perfect to complement our Taycan EV and would likely be the vehicle we would take on long trips since Porsche has not yet demonstrated they can deliver a reliable daily driver EV…

 

[Cowtownhusker]

Doug Demuro did a nice review here:

This is an impressive story: Cool car, interior not that far off a taycan, faster than my taycan and costs 67% less. I'm sure my car is of better quality, but not to the tune $90,000 better. Even more impressive: Xiaomi said, "hey, let's build an electric car" in 2021. They went on to design, develop and build this car by 2023 and has sold over 100,000 of these since launch in 3/2024. Apple invests 10 billion dollars, 10 years... and cancels the project.

 

[f1eng]

I have never bought a car because of its styling. Ever. It is a bit of a factor but not the crucial one, in fact for me the interior is much more important than the exterior since that is what I look at and interact with.

I bought the Taycan because it drove so well and I liked it.

For those of you extolling the virtue of ICE Porsches I have never liked any of the ones I have demoed enough to buy one since I first looked into buying a 911 (993).

I would have no problem having a demo in a Chinese car nor buying one if I liked driving it and it suited my other requirements.

 

[Nipri]

I agree with you but if Porsche does not get control of their Taycan’s reliability then I won’t be buying a Porsche EV again and will go back to an ICE Porsche and look elsewhere for my EV sports sedan fix. I’m not going to pay a premium for inferior reliability from Porsche. They need to get their act together to earn my support or they will become the equivalent of Jaguar which had beautiful vehicles that drove like a dream but were plagued with constant breakdowns and terrible short & long term reliability.
What good is a high performance car that is always in the shop? Luckily I don’t need my Taycan everyday since I have 3 other vehicles to drive but I am finding I may not be able to trust my Taycan’s reliability so I don’t take it on long trips because I need to be close to my dealer when something goes wrong. This is the first vehicle I’ve ever purchased where I don’t trust its ability to be used as a reliable daily driver.
The Taycan’s beauty & performance sold me initially and I will never sell her but I’m open to buying another make of EV in the next year which will give beauty, performance & reliability which Porsche EVs have yet to demonstrate at any price. I find it hard to believe Porsche is incapable of delivering reliability but how long will they take to get there? I’m growing impatient. I can afford a Porsche but I expect reliability. If I want pure beauty & performance with horrific reliability I can buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I expect more from German engineering…

I in my 3 years of owning an IPace never had an issue unlike the Taycan which we all know is beset with issues. My Taycan which I will be getting back tomorrow after almost 4 weeks at the dealership.
Cannot wait to get the Jaguar Type00 when it arrives next year. In fact will be seeing one at Jaguar Gaydon in April.

 

[Mr.Smith]

It's an attractive car. A few people I know that have it came from Mercedes, which they couldn't sell due to lack of buyers for used luxury ICE.

Even has the PCCB colored calipers

 

[Gino]

Doug Demuro did a nice review here:

This is an impressive story: Cool car, interior not that far off a taycan, faster than my taycan and costs 67% less. I'm sure my car is of better quality, but not to the tune $90,000 better. Even more impressive: Xiaomi said, "hey, let's build an electric car" in 2021. They went on to design, develop and build this car by 2023 and has sold over 100,000 of these since launch in 3/2024. Apple invests 10 billion dollars, 10 years... and cancels the project.

If Xiaomi copied the battery, drivetrain and designed a body/interior to look very much like the essence of a Taycan that is not very difficult but they also likely copied the flaws in the battery, drivetrain & software as well so it is more likely the SU7 will be just as unreliable as the Taycan in the early models. I’m sure customers in China will take that trade off to save $90K.
Porsche must demonstrate the next level quality of their EV designs going forward as they have hopefully learned from their initial design mistakes.
If they don’t it will be just like when Japan copied many products back in the 1980s and made them better, cheaper & more reliable.
Anyone that still buys the original product if it delivers the same performance as a knockoff but has inferior reliability and costs more than double should have their head examined. I don’t expect Porsche to suffer this terrible embarrassment to have Xiaomi make their SU7 more reliable than the Taycan.

 

[f1eng]

If Xiaomi copied the battery, drivetrain and designed a body/interior to look very much like the essence of a Taycan that is not very difficult but they also likely copied the flaws in the battery, drivetrain & software as well so it is more likely the SU7 will be just as unreliable as the Taycan in the early models. I’m sure customers in China will take that trade off to save $90K.
Porsche must demonstrate the next level quality of their EV designs going forward as they have hopefully learned from their initial design mistakes.
If they don’t it will be just like when Japan copied many products back in the 1980s and made them better, cheaper & more reliable.
Anyone that still buys the original product if it delivers the same performance as a knockoff but has inferior reliability and costs more than double should have their head examined. I don’t expect Porsche to suffer this terrible embarrassment to have Xiaomi make their SU7 more reliable than the Taycan.

Why would a Chinese EV manufacturer copy anything Taycan?
It superficially looks similar on the outside but the interior and probably the engineering will be quite different.

Chinese manufacturers have hired experienced stylists and design engineers.

I know good experienced chassis designers ex the more or less defunct UK car industry who work for Chinese companies and they won't be copying, benchmarking competitors for sure but not copying, the Chinese companies don't need to they are ahead in some areas already.

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