starting to get pretty fucked off about software.

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There was a time when Porsche didn't even have cup holders because it would distract from driving. Now we're complaining about not getting you tube. How time change.

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[gtm]

There was a time when Porsche didn't even have cup holders because it would distract from driving. Now we're complaining about not getting you tube. How time change.

There was a time when Porsche didn't make SUVs and 4 door sedans. Times, and expectations, have certainly changed.

 

[Alemany]

There was a time when Porsche stood for high quality and low defects. Times have changed. I love my Taycan but its a black eye on the reputation of Porsche brand.

 

[chun]

There was a time when Porsche didn't even have cup holders because it would distract from driving. Now we're complaining about not getting you tube. How time change.

There was a time where Porsche didn’t have wheels, because they were tanks

indeed, times always change, pretty much every day; but more importantly the market changes

if a 40k Skoda can have OTA updates every few months that actually improve the car, you better deliver the same in your “premium” crap if you want to call it premium and charge premium for it; the Chinese market illustrates this perfectly, where porsche is less premium than a budget car . It’s never about what you think your brand offers, it’s about how your brand is perceived, and I no longer perceive porsche as premium, and many other are like me

As usual, 0 Lean thinking / lean development from Porsche. Kaizen is still an abstract concept to Porsche, even decades after it being proven by Toyota, and now again by Chinese manufacturers.

 

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There was a time when Porsche stood for high quality and low defects. Times have changed. I love my Taycan but its a black eye on the reputation of Porsche brand.

I don't think it's limited to Porsche. EVs are much more difficult to get right the first time. I have a Ford Mache EV and that had a lot of growing pains also. Tesla also had a lot of bugs when they were ramping up.

 

[FlyingPoint]

There was a time when Porsche stood for high quality and low defects. Times have changed. I love my Taycan but its a black eye on the reputation of Porsche brand.

Respectfully, this statement is not accurate. Porsche has had its share of avoidable manufacturing defects over the last two decades. Anything produced prior to this time frame, I consider prehistoric by todays standards. I think the cult like following of Porsche is largely responsible for folks thinking that Porsche product was far superior to other OEM's. They are good cars that are well engineered but not without a sorted history.

Below are some of the top of mind issues that have surfaced over various models:

- 997 911 IMS bearing failures
-997 GT3 Cooling Pipe leaks due to improper design
- 991 GT3 Stop Sale in 2014 from engine fires
- 991 GT3 Finger follower wear resulting in misfires
- 981 GT4 Third Gear failures due to improper design
-958 Cayenne Transfer case failure, Air suspension leaks and compressor failures, fuel pump failures, Timing Chain Tensioner wear, Diesel scandal, Coolant leaks and Electrical issues
-918 and 981 Cayman and Boxster - Air-Oil Separator failure, Top drain convertible clogging, premature water pump and expansion tank failure, suspension bushing/arms premature wear if driven hard, clutch wear, rear main seal leaks
-Macan since 2014 - Transfer case failures, timing chain rattles, coolant leaks, PCM glitches, window regulator failures, air suspension leaks and compressor issues

 

[Alemany]

Respectfully, this statement is not accurate. Porsche has had its share of avoidable manufacturing defects over the last two decades. Anything produced prior to this time frame, I consider prehistoric by todays standards. I think the cult like following of Porsche is largely responsible for folks thinking that Porsche product was far superior to other OEM's. They are good cars that are well engineered but not without a sorted history.

Below are some of the top of mind issues that have surfaced over various models:

- 997 911 IMS bearing failures
-997 GT3 Cooling Pipe leaks due to improper design
- 991 GT3 Stop Sale in 2014 from engine fires
- 991 GT3 Finger follower wear resulting in misfires
- 981 GT4 Third Gear failures due to improper design
-958 Cayenne Transfer case failure, Air suspension leaks and compressor failures, fuel pump failures, Timing Chain Tensioner wear, Diesel scandal, Coolant leaks and Electrical issues
-918 and 981 Cayman and Boxster - Air-Oil Separator failure, Top drain convertible clogging, premature water pump and expansion tank failure, suspension bushing/arms premature wear if driven hard, clutch wear, rear main seal leaks
-Macan since 2014 - Transfer case failures, timing chain rattles, coolant leaks, PCM glitches, window regulator failures, air suspension leaks and compressor issues

Yes, Porsche has had individual issues over the years with few designs and specific items. Porsche has NEVER had a line of cars so bad that they are constantly in the shop. I love my toucan (second one I have) but I am not blind to the lack of quality control on this line.

 

[f1eng]

Yes, Porsche has had individual issues over the years with few designs and specific items. Porsche has NEVER had a line of cars so bad that they are constantly in the shop. I love my toucan (second one I have) but I am not blind to the lack of quality control on this line.

Mine has hardly ever been in the shop except 2 recalls and the 2 year service and I had a Taycan loan car each time.

A lot of things people complain about are to do with modern expectations in terms of peripherals such as in-car entertainment.

Also I think people come on the internet to complain but not to write everything is OK, so reading an internet forum is likely to distort the view of reliability to a high extreme, whatever vehicle.

I was much more dismayed by reports about the piston engines which looked like cheapening gone wrong to me.

 

[Alemany]

My first Taycan lived in the shop. My second one has an issue with the chassis that just would not go away - had it about 5 months and it's been at the shop 6 weeks already. Not to mention the day they delivered took 5 hours to do it because the car refused to connect to the servers. I took it home that night as a guest driver and reset the hell out of it for 6 hours on Saturday and fixed it. This is not normal.

 

[Freeewilly]

I don't think it's limited to Porsche. EVs are much more difficult to get right the first time. I have a Ford Mache EV and that had a lot of growing pains also. Tesla also had a lot of bugs when they were ramping up.

I'm not a Tesla fan.... anymore...

I got to say Tesla got it right the first time when they introduced Model S back in 2012.
We thought EV are as good as golf carts, Tesla changed that.
They use the skateboard battery design
Large screen with giant google map that's actually readable
OTA updates works like iOS updates on day 1.
List go on and on, if any car company want to build a proper EV, just copy Tesla, that's what Chinese companies did, traditional company like Porsche takes too long to make any change, that's why Porsche and many others are falling behind in 2025.

 

[Freeewilly]

There was a time where Porsche didn’t have wheels, because they were tanks

indeed, times always change, pretty much every day; but more importantly the market changes

if a 40k Skoda can have OTA updates every few months that actually improve the car, you better deliver the same in your “premium” crap if you want to call it premium and charge premium for it; the Chinese market illustrates this perfectly, where porsche is less premium than a budget car . It’s never about what you think your brand offers, it’s about how your brand is perceived, and I no longer perceive porsche as premium, and many other are like me

As usual, 0 Lean thinking / lean development from Porsche. Kaizen is still an abstract concept to Porsche, even decades after it being proven by Toyota, and now again by Chinese manufacturers.

Most people including myself before owning a Porsche still think Porsche is a high premium and quality car.

US news outlets don't cover Porsche, I've never heard about battery recall, possible fire risk, potential issue with front brakes, seat sensor disable airbag...etc. Any of these issues on Tesla will be running on every news channels for 24 hours at least.

 

[FlyingPoint]

I'm not a Tesla fan.... anymore...

I got to say Tesla got it right the first time when they introduced Model S back in 2012.
We thought EV are as good as golf carts, Tesla changed that.
They use the skateboard battery design
Large screen with giant google map that's actually readable
OTA updates works like iOS updates on day 1.
List go on and on, if any car company want to build a proper EV, just copy Tesla, that's what Chinese companies did, traditional company like Porsche takes too long to make any change, that's why Porsche and many others are falling behind in 2025.

I couldn't agree more with your view of Porsche falling behind. I am an owner of two Taycan's (previously a 21 RWD & currently a 24 4S). I recently purchased a MY26 Model Y. I am astonished at how far PAG is lagging behind in its technology and execution and all for 25% of what my MY24 4S cost.
Truthfully, I was totally unaware of how far behind PAG was.

 

[Freeewilly]

I couldn't agree more with your view of Porsche falling behind. I am an owner of two Taycan's (previously a 21 RWD & currently a 24 4S). I recently purchased a MY26 Model Y. I am astonished at how far PAG is lagging behind in its technology and execution and all for 25% of what my MY24 4S cost.
Truthfully, I was totally unaware of how far behind PAG was.

Honestly I'm loving my 2025 Taycan, everything is slightly better in every way than ex-2022. CarPlay more reliable and connect faster, prefer the updated interface on instrument cluster, even Plug & Charge at EA charger is faster, too. All these can be done to J1.1, but Porsche decides not to or wait at later time.
Your new ride will receive updates weekly/monthly for the years to come. Tesla like Apple stand behind their products until the hardware is not capable anymore.

 

[F1Ruaraidh]

There was a time when Porsche didn't even have cup holders because it would distract from driving. Now we're complaining about not getting you tube. How time change.

You don't sit in the car charging on an aircooled 911....

 

[F1Ruaraidh]

I don't think it's limited to Porsche. EVs are much more difficult to get right the first time. I have a Ford Mache EV and that had a lot of growing pains also. Tesla also had a lot of bugs when they were ramping up.

Hmm my 2017 140k mile Model S disagrees.... Ramping up 3 maybe because Melon pushed (due to lack of understanding and approached scale without proper development of production processes).
Model S however is pretty faultless, it's the inverse Taycan - great EV but a not a great car. Taycan is a great car but a hopeless EV.

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