ICE Boxster/Cayman will return!!

[prj]

Porsche strategy on EVs makes me think of the person who bought big into the stockmarket at the top of the boom and is now going to sell up, just as its bottoming out.

I'm pretty sure that the bottom is far from in, the next year will be a disaster, but the comparison is good.

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[69Mach390]

https://petapixel.com/2023/07/18/unopened-first-generation-iphone-sells-for-190000/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2011-tesla-roadster-13/

2025 - 270 Turbo GTs sold in US - So these are very unique models.

Notice I said “iPhone 5.”

The Taycan isn’t really the unique important rare first in the same way as those.

Tesla roadster? Absolutely going to be a collectible.

The turbo GT will be collectible like the Model S plaid. (Not really collectible). It’s just a more powerful version of a very mass produced car.

Now if they only made 1 year of the GT and plaid and stopped making anything like it forever…. Yeah, it could have some collectibility.

 

[pjg03d]

The only thing I worry about is once EV adoption is measurably higher than ICE vehicles then the cost for electricity will rise to be comparable between EV miles/kwh & gas miles/gallon.

This is a purely political issue, though. If we subsidized solar at the same rate we do oil extraction and refinement, private homes and public businesses alike would be covering their roofs in solar panels wherever possible. Instead, we have utility commissions and elected officials doing the bidding of Exxon, Mobil and power conglomerates to suppress distributed solar, proliferation of wind, etc. The oil companies refuse to die, and the power companies want the profits from green energy via a natural monopoly instead of people being energy-independent.

 

[feye]

Man. Shoehorning ICE into an EV-forward design.

What is Porsche smoking???

The weed of irrelevance!

 

[feye]

Sigh. I hate this EV rollback.

I really think the tech is superior to the Rube Goldberg of ICE.

Even if Porsche made a really good EV, I prefer buying from Brands which take EVs seriously and want to compete in this space. The EVs from Porsche so far have been a real let down, and by the looks it wont get better now...

My wife is blown away by the car robot she is driving at the moment, the Huawei S800. They will come out with SUVs next year with the same AI driving tech. That's where my money will go...

 

[feye]

This is a purely political issue, though. If we subsidized solar at the same rate we do oil extraction and refinement, private homes and public businesses alike would be covering their roofs in solar panels wherever possible. Instead, we have utility commissions and elected officials doing the bidding of Exxon, Mobil and power conglomerates to suppress distributed solar, proliferation of wind, etc. The oil companies refuse to die, and the power companies want the profits from green energy via a natural monopoly instead of people being energy-independent.

They can only delay, but not prevent! Renewables are just too cheap!

 

[Gino]

This is a purely political issue, though. If we subsidized solar at the same rate we do oil extraction and refinement, private homes and public businesses alike would be covering their roofs in solar panels wherever possible. Instead, we have utility commissions and elected officials doing the bidding of Exxon, Mobil and power conglomerates to suppress distributed solar, proliferation of wind, etc. The oil companies refuse to die, and the power companies want the profits from green energy via a natural monopoly instead of people being energy-independent.

You are unfortunately correct. The electricity providers are not public utilities as they should be like some places in the US. When I lived in Santa Clara County & Orange County, CA I noticed my electricity rates were at least 30% less in Santa Clara County because Santa Clara had it’s own public utility which kept baseline energy costs down. In Orange County we are at the mercy of PG&E (a private company) which raises rates every few years leading to consistently higher rates for residents who have no bargaining power.
In India they have incredibly cheap electricity because they are public utilities which are not for profit. They are blown away at how expensive the electricity rates are in the US from private, for profit, utilities.

 

[Vercingetorix]

This is just another in a long line of shitty Porsche cars. They obviously have no clue. It’s too bad.

 

[whitex]

Man. Shoehorning ICE into an EV-forward design.

What is Porsche smoking???

Audi eTron all over again?

 

[whitex]

Man. What a mess.

When I got into Porsches in 1998 I recall the Boxster as being the car that saved Porsche.

It did give them volume. Dot-com-boom didn't hurt either - Boxters were flying off the lots. Heck, even regular 911's were hard to come by (I only got an allocation after dot-com-boom crashed, when people started canceling), though I suspect that was an artificial shortage created by Porsche to drive demand through exclusivity.

 

[whitex]

These might be the only cars in the world to be reverse engineered from EV to ICE at a large scale.

Not a new idea for VWAG

 

[whitex]

Because it's the only design anyone brought to production so far.

Technically the original Tesla Roadster made it to production. You can still pick up used ones if you want to see what it feels like driving with a battery behind the seats.

 

[whitex]

I really truly want a 911 Targa EV, but that one will NEVER happen.

Perhaps put a deposit down to get in line and start saving for
https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessoriesandservice/exclusive-manufaktur/personality/

 

[whitex]

Can confirm. California has very high EV adoption rates, and the electricity rates are astronomical.
Something like 5x-6x what we paid in Texas.

I look for charging deals where I can find them and avoid charging at home.

California also has high datacenter adoption rates, competing for that electricity.

 

[69Mach390]

This is a purely political issue, though. If we subsidized solar at the same rate we do oil extraction and refinement, private homes and public businesses alike would be covering their roofs in solar panels wherever possible. Instead, we have utility commissions and elected officials doing the bidding of Exxon, Mobil and power conglomerates to suppress distributed solar, proliferation of wind, etc. The oil companies refuse to die, and the power companies want the profits from green energy via a natural monopoly instead of people being energy-independent.

I’ll be honest that I don’t know the exact details without looking them up, but I thought we DID get significantly subsidized solar.

You’ve been able to get a 30% tax credit for decades for putting on solar panels. Businesses get the same credit.

As posted before, the oil subsidies are only 10-30 cents per gallon and oil taxes are much more than that.

I don’t think you would want solar to get the same tax treatment as oil. It would be MUCH worse.

There are issues, but oil subsidies vs solar isn’t the issue.

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