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Not sure what I'm missing - seems the 2021 Karma looks just like the 2012 Karma that proved a total disaster a decade ago. Not sure how many customers looking to be fooled twice they'll be able to gather.

Just bought a 2021 base Taycan off the lot - at minimal spec (cherrymetallic/PB+/20" wheels) it was $35k less than any of my 4s builds on the configurator. A bit slow off the line, but the mid-range punch is more than enough for my needs. My first rwd car in ~20 years, and surprisingly it...

Traded a 2015 Macan S for a 2014 Carrera 4s in 2016 and traded the Carrera for a Taycan RWD today. Somehow I liked the idea of having the 911 more than actually driving it on the crappy roads in the US NE - it was great for the few seconds at a time one could actually use it, but a bit...

Utter BS. One is a pre-production model with production aero, brakes, wheels, ride height (all of which your picture clearly shows!) that can be ordered now, the other plainly has no performance-relevant components available from Tesla at this time.

It would be easier to give Tesla props if its fanboys would cut down on hyperbole/distortions when singing Tesla's praises. The "Model S" on the Ring has no performance relevant components in common with the actual Model S on sale at this time (e.g., different powertrain, battery, brakes...

I have informed myself and concluded that the Polestar 2 looks like a goofy jacked up sedan with a black bottom stripe to visually hide it's actual height: If the in-floor battery has nothing to do with that, well, pity the Polestar designers.

Don't worry, they will. In fact, looking at configurator, it seems they'll be happy to take all of it.

The funny thing is that they managed to preserve many of the details (minus the suicide doors), but the basic proportions (i.e., height of the greenhouse, windshield rake, roofline) are more miniature Panamera than Mission E. Great looking car, but no Mission E.

Probably many of us didn't understand that pricing "between Cayenne and Panamera" meant a base price (with mandatory options) above the Panamera: "We're expecting a price somewhere between a Cayenne and a Panamera,” said Robert Meier, Porsche model director for the Taycan (in 2018). I was...

So much for pricing in between Cayenne and Panamera. I hope people don't suffer sticker shock and drop their orders - need this to be a sales success so that I can pick up a used one in 2-3 years. Just make sure to spec the 2+1 rear seats, please. PS: Porsche can't be serious about this option...

Very very surprised that the US price is higher than that in Euro (after taking out tax): 152136 Euro is 167724 USD incl. tax and 141000 USD before tax. That would be have been a good price. 10% more in the US vs Germany is really unusual. One has to wonder how much they are trying to protect...

No, Euro to USD gives $119k and then you have to divide by 1.21, not multiply by 0.79, giving $98k ($4k difference). Unfortunately, the Netherlands is not the best reference, as prices there are much higher than e.g. in Germany, where in turn they are higher than in the US (all after backing out...

Yeah, now we have distance, speed and (via stopwatch and 1/4 speed playback) time. Looks like about 2.9-3s (with 1ft rollout) 0-60mph, 5.2-5.4s 0-90mph, 4.7-4.9 s for 330ft. All a bit slower than a P100DL, but with most of the time lost in the first meters (e.g. 0-30 mph of ~1.2s). I assume an...

I think the thread will be more useful if people actually name their dealers (that's what's happening in the Corvette C8 threads the OP referenced). As an example, Herb Chambers Porsche Burlington told me last year that they might charge a modest ADM (e.g., $5k). Curiously, I didn't think that...

Hm. For the quoted sub-10s 0-200km/h time (from the "Fully charged" video), some of the Taycan's supposed advantage vs the P100D was attributed to the 2-speed gearbox. If it shifts at 125mph (201km/h) that wouldn't seem to help.

From the picture, given that the 911 is 52-54cm shorter than the 2nd gen Panamera, it would appear that the Taycan is about 15cm shorter than the Panamera. That would put its length within a few cm of the 485cm quoted for the Mission E.

Your troll act is really tiresome.

looks like some of us still live in ICE land :oops:

The Polestar 2 has a ~20% smaller battery and still has a pretty goofy jacked-up sedan look (which they try to hide, unsuccessfully, with the black lower body paint). Just give it a few more years until the battery tech is there.

Yeah, not much one can do with current battery tech if one wants ~100kWh and keep the center of gravity and polar moment of inertia low.