Contemplating coming over from Model 3 - advice needed

[atebit]

that is easily fixed by turning that feature off

I like the feature, just not the execution.

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[jontybutts]

If you like a quiet car I suggest to add the insulated glass (with our without privacy glass) also I would add the air suspension, it is extremely comfortable and very helpful with speedbumps (you can increase the height of the car automatically based on gps position)

If he liked a quiet car he wouldn’t have bought a model3 in the 1st place, and even standard steel springs will already be a huge step up from the jiggly rubbish suspension on the Tesla.

 

[tomtom901]

If he liked a quiet car he would have bought a model3, and steel springs will already be a huge step up from the jiggle rubbish on the Tesla.

Not sure what you mean here..

 

[svp6]

I have both the model 3 performance and the 4S now. Due to recurrent issues with my remote access I am in the unfortunate position to provide first hand impressions on driving both cars quite frequently. I had the P85D before.

As others have said:
1. Anything short of the turbo will be slower than your model 3 performance. Not that my 4S is slow, but you can clearly feel how more nimble is the model 3. On the other hand, once in motion, slamming the acceleration in the 4S acceleration snaps your head - beware if you try it.
2. No question about Porsche looks (drop-dead gorgeous), interior quality. One of the best car I owned.
3. Tesla user interface is better. There are way too many features buried deep in submenus in the Taycan. Hopefully these can be slowly corrected with software updates.
4. Bose sound in the 4S is OK, but not as good as premium sound in model 3 performance. Have not heard the Burmeester.
5. Taycan interior is definitely more quiet on highway, definitely louder at slow speeds (due to the mandatory pedestrian warning sound - I hate that).
6. Get the ACC. Not having that sucks after being used to autopilot. I picked up a car of the lot without it, regretting now my choice. Have not tested InnoDrive.
7. The sport-chrono thing was included. My wife keeps asking me why they ruined the dashboard with it. I realize this is some Porsche tradition, but found it useless.

Overall: You will love the Taycan - and you will miss some Tesla features. Going second time around would still pick the Taycan and keep complaining why it does not have some Tesla features.

 

[tomtom901]

I have both the model 3 performance and the 4S now. Due to recurrent issues with my remote access I am in the unfortunate position to provide first hand impressions on driving both cars quite frequently. I had the P85D before.

As others have said:
1. Anything short of the turbo will be slower than your model 3 performance. Not that my 4S is slow, but you can clearly feel how more nimble is the model 3. On the other hand, once in motion, slamming the acceleration in the 4S acceleration snaps your head - beware if you try it.
2. No question about Porsche looks (drop-dead gorgeous), interior quality. One of the best car I owned.
3. Tesla user interface is better. There are way too many features buried deep in submenus in the Taycan. Hopefully these can be slowly corrected with software updates.
4. Bose sound in the 4S is OK, but not as good as premium sound in model 3 performance. Have not heard the Burmeester.
5. Taycan interior is definitely more quiet on highway, definitely louder at slow speeds (due to the mandatory pedestrian warning sound - I hate that).
6. Get the ACC. Not having that sucks after being used to autopilot. I picked up a car of the lot without it, regretting now my choice. Have not tested InnoDrive.
7. The sport-chrono thing was included. My wife keeps asking me why they ruined the dashboard with it. I realize this is some Porsche tradition, but found it useless.

Overall: You will love the Taycan - and you will miss some Tesla features. Going second time around would still pick the Taycan and keep complaining why it does not have some Tesla features.

Think your comments sum up my expectations pretty good. Only thing is I am a bit 'concerned' about the RWD compared to the model 3 in terms of performance.

Number 2 and 5 sound good though and what I am looking for when spending pretty much double compared to the model 3.

As for 7 - agree, haha. With the Taycan sport chrono seems to make a bit less sense.

Thank you for the response!

 

[svp6]

Think your comments sum up my expectations pretty good. Only thing is I am a bit 'concerned' about the RWD compared to the model 3 in terms of performance.

Number 2 and 5 sound good though and what I am looking for when spending pretty much double compared to the model 3.

As for 7 - agree, haha. With the Taycan sport chrono seems to make a bit less sense.

Thank you for the response!

Try to test drive the RWD and see how it feels to you. I remember going from P85D to RWD model 3 (only model available at launch). Not a slow car, but it was a tad disappointing. We sold the RWD and got the performance AWD when those became available.

 

[tomtom901]

Try to test drive the RWD and see how it feels to you. I remember going from P85D to RWD model 3 (only model available at launch). Not a slow car, but it was a tad disappointing. We sold the RWD and got the performance AWD when those became available.

Yes, test drive with the RWD set for 19-7, and next Monday @benver will visit me with his Turbo. Probably feel like my savings account is going to ruins after having seen/felt a Turbo

 

[kort]

Think your comments sum up my expectations pretty good. Only thing is I am a bit 'concerned' about the RWD compared to the model 3 in terms of performance.

the RWD version will most certainly be a bit slower than a model 3, however are you going to be a red light jockey? if your budget only allows a RWD version it is still a better driving experience than the model 3

 

[tomtom901]

the RWD version will most certainly be a bit slower than a model 3, however are you going to be a red light jockey? if your budget only allows a RWD version it is still a better driving experience than the model 3

No, but I like the responsiveness of the Model 3, whereis the Model 3 SR+ felt slower. Have no direct comparison to the Taycan yet. We'll see, it's not that I need the Taycan, I could always be on the lookout for a used 4S while I save up for a bit.

Thanks for all the advice so far everyone!

 

[Torv]

I've only had my 4S for just over week and here are my impressions.

I came from a Tesla Model S 85D and I have to admit that the car was pretty much bullet-proof in every way. But I missed the thrill and driver engagement that a Porsche would offer as I also had a 1997 Arena Red air-cooled Carrera coupé, “vinyl” to my Tesla’s digital experience, so I disposed of the Tesla and ordered a Taycan 4S to have the best of both worlds.

I ordered my Taycan with the standard interior and I have no problem with it as it's both beautiful and supremely comfortable. In the US Porsche offers packages, bundles of options that purport to be less expensive than the á la carte selections. In my case, I went with both the Premium Package and the Performance Package, as I am after all ordering a Porsche.

The Premium Package included the 14-way seats, the Bose audio, ventilated seats and the advanced headlights, etc. The Performance Package included rear axle steering, PDDC, and a couple of other handling bits that I can't remember.

I did not opt for the Innodrive or the adaptive cruise control, though I wish I did order the ACC. My reasoning in not ordering the Innodrive was that I almost never used Autopilot on my Tesla and I wanted a “driver’s car”.

If I'm being honest, Porsche’s software has a long way to go to match Tesla in terms of usability. The Homelink system for example is extremely convoluted and doesn't come close to matching the ease of use offered by Tesla. I also really liked the frequency of software updates Tesla pushed out to the car. I have a sneaking suspicion that Porsche will not be nearly as proactive as Tesla in that regard.

Despite that, the Taycan is a blast to drive. It's every bit as quick as my Tesla and significantly faster than 95% of the cars on the road, but out handles the Tesla in terms of braking, cornering and road feel. It's truly a fun car to drive. The Taycan’s styling simply can not be matched by the Tesla--the car is a real looker! In summary, it's as if my Tesla and my Carrera somehow mated one late night in the garage and produced a welcome and beautiful offspring, the Taycan.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PMQB6WW5

 

[Las Vegas Taycan]

I have the red and its worth the uplift.

INNODRIVE I never use it. It is not autopilot, more like distance pilot...

If you have tight spaces dont forget to get electric FOLDING Mirrors as this is an option.

 

[superflytnt]

Hi all,

Yes, another Tesla post. ...

It's quite simple really. Tesla has much (much) better technology and auto-driving experience. Porsche has a much (much) better build and a better self-driving experience.

My Tesla was more fun for the geeky side of me. My Porsche is more fun for the driving enthusiast side of me.

I do miss autopilot, but it made me stupid at the same time. I became so comfortable using autopilot that I became complacent and had an autopilot fail that led to an otherwise avoidable accident had I not become so complacent in the first place. The Porsche definitely does not let you become a lazy driver. Not by a long shot.

In the end, I do miss my Tesla for all it's geeky features, but I'm happy to b switching it up and actually driving for a change, and in a much sexier car to boot.

Regarding features to pay for, get what will make you happy as the incremental costs will seem like a distant memory years from now, but understand that after about $120k USD, there aren't any features aside from Turbo that you can pay for now that will get you any more resale value when it's time to turn your Taycan over. In other words, get the Mission-E wheels or ACC or full leather now if it makes you happy. But don't expect to make anything back for these when you sell/return your car. In five years time, no one is going to pay you a dollar more for full leather vs partial.

Hope that helps. Cheers.

 

[mamba]

Hi all,

Yes, another Tesla post. I currently have a Model 3 Performance, which works 'fine', but I am missing the connection to the car a bit. I like the tech they provide, and the Auto Pilot, but it's not a car that has me looking back to see if my hard earned money is safe. Another thing which annoys me in the Model 3 is the cabin noise, especially on Dutch highways. Which is why I started looking into the Taycan. I love the way it looks, especially on the back with the tail light. My test drive is scheduled for next week, so curious to see what I think.

My plan would be to keep this vehicle for a long time.

Anyhow, let me start by sharing the build:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PM34VYB2

I have been drooling quite some time over the Carmine Red option which sadly is one of the premium colors with regards to price. Ah well.

Some questions I hope you can help me out with.

1) I selected the default interior, but opinions seem to be split about the full leather. Would you say it is worth it. I am not trying to overspend by much, but I'd rather spend an extra 3k and be totally happy. Problem is this can be said for many options.

2) Opinions on InnoDrive as compared to Autopilot seem just as mixed, how is the autonomous driving in the highway. I have quite some commute so this is a real must and might be a reason to stick with the Tesla as of now.

3) For navigation, do most of you stick with the built-in or move to Apple Carplay?

4) Anything on the build I am missing or you would skip?

I am looking into the Taycan RWD just basically budget wise, since the 4S would increase the build by an extra 20k which is a bit much honestly. I honestly do not care that much about 0-60 (or 100 km/h in my case) but bought the performance since it is the best looking out of the bunch, as far as a Tesla goes.

Hi TomTom

I went from a Model S to a 4S. You won’t be disappointed. There is no doubt that you will feel more connected to the car. Porsche knows how to do that really well.

1. I recommend going for the best interior that your budget allows. If that’s not leather, you will still have an interior that looks and feels much more inviting and luxurious than your current interior.

2. it is nothing like Tesla autopilot. It will not help you on your highway journeys as it “hunts” for the lane markers. If a police car is following, they will stop you to check if you are drunk. And it accelerates and slows like when we were learning to drive. Deliberate and clunky.
BUT: you won’t want to use it anyway, because it’s so good to drive. So don’t let that sway your decision.

3. I almost always use built in. It chooses very good routes, displays on the screen in front of me and estimates remaining battery charge at destination. I also use the voice command to program destination. Phone stays firmly in my pocket.

4. seems pretty good build options. These are always personal choices, so after budget set, go with your heart.

Alan

 

[Torv]

It's quite simple really. Tesla has much (much) better technology and auto-driving experience. Porsche has a much (much) better build and a better self-driving experience.

My Tesla was more fun for the geeky side of me. My Porsche is more fun for the driving enthusiast side of me.

I do miss autopilot, but it made me stupid at the same time. I became so comfortable using autopilot that I became complacent and had an autopilot fail that led to an otherwise avoidable accident had I not become so complacent in the first place. The Porsche definitely does not let you become a lazy driver. Not by a long shot.

In the end, I do miss my Tesla for all it's geeky features, but I'm happy to b switching it up and actually driving for a change, and in a much sexier car to boot.

Regarding features to pay for, get what will make you happy as the incremental costs will seem like a distant memory years from now, but understand that after about $120k USD, there aren't any features aside from Turbo that you can pay for now that will get you any more resale value when it's time to turn your Taycan over. In other words, get the Mission-E wheels or ACC or full leather now if it makes you happy. But don't expect to make anything back for these when you sell/return your car. In five years time, no one is going to pay you a dollar more for full leather vs partial.

Hope that helps. Cheers.

Agree wholeheartedly with your post.

But as I think about my Tesla experience and ownership, one of the things that really bugged the shit out of me were some of the silly updates which introduced things like Fart Mode and other superfluous and frankly stupid “features”. Tesla’s decision to have software engineers spend time developing and deploying such silliness struck me as Tesla not taking the car seriously by not spending time and effort devloping and deploying features that would improve and enhance the driving experience.

 

[tomtom901]

Thanks for the continued thoughts everyone.

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