Good choice as a first EV?

[Fantasmos]

I think RWD cars are much harder to sell afterwards. Go for the 4 if you're buying 2nd hand imo.

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[Frsc]

Its also has the smaller battery - which may be fine for you.

Bigger battery was about a £4k option and gives some extra performance as well as range.
Most people specced/want it.

But the smaller battery is lighter and attached to the RWD may be the best for handling/feel of all models.

I was just using it as an example of where the bottom appears to be. And then Extrapolating from that the likely worst case in 3 years.

It’s actually a reasonably specd car other than missing the battery. There are a few above it with less spec.

 

[D00notD00d]

If most of your 2k annual mileage is in and around London traffic you probably won’t want to drop things such as Adaptive Cruise and Surround View. Air Suspension on London roads and the included lift feature for clearing speed bumps is also useful (air is standard on the Turismo and Fours). Those options may be hard to find on a base RWD car which has most likely been a company lease. Those aside, a base RWD is probably enough for most folks most of the time. The standard battery will give you about 200 miles range. For your usage you’ll be able to keep it in the advised 40-60/ 50-75% ranges and minimise degradation.
Turbo aside, the used price difference between models is less significant.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Just checked what I paid in Aug (after 3 yrs ownership).

Warranty £1366 pa - included Roadside Assistance.

Connected Drive £269 pa.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Interesting take in the video above on how the EV market may develop.

Best to proceed eyes wide open!

My big spec MY2021 Taycan 4S was bought at 2.5 years old at around £30k less than the new list price, just before the collapse in residuals. In the last 15 mths it has depreciated another £35k. It was with a dealer for 3 of those months. I also have a 2018 Cayenne diesel, pre-registered on the last day they were sold in the UK. New car inflation means the Cayenne value has held up well. Next year I expect my Taycan value will drop past the value of my Cayenne.

Whether you need to or not, buying on a PCP or lease will give you certainty on residual value. Just getting a quote will tell you how Porsche sees the future value.

When I bought mine I originally wanted a Panamera Hybrid. That would have retained its value far more - compare the prices.

One significant factor affecting EV depreciation is the manufacturers 8 year 100k battery warranty limitation. The follow-on Porsche extended warranty does cover HV battery manufacturing defects, but not wear and tear. What constitutes a battery defect after 8 years use is judged on a case by case by case basis. Not the advertised peace of mind. Despite that uncertainty, the extended warranty is still worthwhile. The UK Porsche annual extended warranty cost is the same for Taycan as others, circa £1k. Slighty cheaper the more years you buy.

The 111 point check conducted on an approved used Porsche does not include the Battery State of Health. It also isn’t checked as part of any scheduled service. Porsche regard providing a State of Health certificate as a chargeable item. Walk away from any dealer who won’t give you a battery health cert with any used hybrid or EV. The range shown vs new range will be a good battery degradation indicator. Note the range quoted in approved used ads is the range when new, not the degraded range. Try to get the next 2 year service cost included in your purchase price. And more than 2 years warranty, either by buying one still under manufacturers warranty or by negotiating. It’s a buyers market, follow your head, take your time.

Cayenne and Taycan tyres are around the same price. The Michelins on my Cayenne wear evenly and last far better. Cayenne drains also need cleaning, but every 4 years rather than 2 if I remember rightly. It’s worth shopping around on service & maintenance costs and avoiding regional cartels.

Note a RWD Taycan will give a better range than a 4WD. That also means degradation is less impactful. I bought my car on specification, generally a 4S or Turbo will have more options.

Charging at home, my Taycan costs me about a fiver for 200 miles of fuel. If it wasn’t for the £2k+ monthly depreciation (that’s a lot of servicing) it would be cheap to run!

The continuing stream of recalls, the rattles, the certain depreciation and battery reliability unknowns are big negatives. If you can get over those, for me there’s nothing that looks as good and is as practical and comfortable.

Swapping your Cayenne for a Taycan is a head vs. heart decision. I’m still hedging. I’ll see how J1.2 used values go - there seems to be an over supply of those with dealers.

Hope some of the above helps. It’s the stuff I wish I had known.

Not watched the video yet - but will.

If fuel tax is raised by 5-10p / litre in the budget and with other Middle Eastern related (dreadful) things going on - it's not unreasonable to see a sudden jump in fuel prices.

May sway things more favourably for used EV market.

 

[Frsc]

Not watched the video yet - but will.

If fuel tax is raised by 5-10p / litre in the budget and with other Middle Eastern related (dreadful) things going on - it's not unreasonable to see a sudden jump in fuel prices.

May sway things more favourably for used EV market.

They dont have the balls (pun intended) to do that. They’ll go for indirect taxation, fiscal drag and targeting the rich (IHT on us lazy so and so’s and our parents, that have done nothing to deserve our houses).

And to be honest, even if they do, it will need more than that to get the EV market moving IMO. They need to be a lot cheaper upfront, because most people don’t buy cash and therefore the monthly’s are king maker.

And even in that instance there’s a healthy whack of people who can’t charge at home and then even the “fuel” isn’t that much cheaper to compensate for the higher cost.

 

[Frsc]

If most of your 2k annual mileage is in and around London traffic you probably won’t want to drop things such as Adaptive Cruise and Surround View. Air Suspension on London roads and the included lift feature for clearing speed bumps is also useful (air is standard on the Turismo and Fours). Those options may be hard to find on a base RWD car which has most likely been a company lease. Those aside, a base RWD is probably enough for most folks most of the time. The standard battery will give you about 200 miles range. For your usage you’ll be able to keep it in the advised 40-60/ 50-75% ranges and minimise degradation.
Turbo aside, the used price difference between models is less significant.

Unfortunately yes, a lot of my time is stuck in London traffic. Aside from the low mileage it’s the other reason I’m not splurging on anything new and shiny. The fun driving is getting few and far between.

Im not to bothered about air/acc. I’ve had both on cars and rarely if ever use it. Suspension always stays in stiffest setting and I don’t really enjoy ACC, makes me want to fall asleep.

Surround view is probably the big one that may make me pay more. Aside from parking, getting through tight gaps, etc it helps save the alloys.

The issue is buying second hand it’s not a very popular option. Am I going to pay £5-10k more to get it

 

[BigBob]

I’ll likely annoy some salesman ?

I bet you don't. In my experience they have no interest in interacting with customers, so you probably will have to negotiate with an AI robot at the front door.

 

[alexsas]

Buy my Turbo for £52k, it’s in the Classifieds ?
Over Two year warranty, two free services and ton of options

 

[Paul Pacey]

Mornin'
I bought my first car in the 1960s, so obviously I'm one of the older members on here. I've just sold my 981S Boxster, which I owned for 10.5 years; simply because I never found anything better to replace it with. And like Frsc, I just haven't driven it much recently and it was costing over £300 a month just sitting there. My wife has a Kia EV6, a great car, if rather boring to drive, and so I'm hoping a Tacan will combine the best of those two. I extended the warranty on my Boxster at each service, which cost me £5000 over that period, but it was amazing what items were apparently not covered by it; in fact I recouped about £1200 in repairs from it, so not a good option.
Just one question at this time; I have been watching numerous YouTube video's on Taycan's, as you do, am I correct in thinking that to use the Intelligent Cruise Control you have to pay a monthly rental? I know Porsche are greedy, but really.

 

[tophamn]

Just one question at this time; I have been watching numerous YouTube video's on Taycan's, as you do, am I correct in thinking that to use the Intelligent Cruise Control you have to pay a monthly rental? I know Porsche are greedy, but really.

What do you mean by "Intelligent Cruise Control"? - there's Adaptive Cruise (ACC) and InnoDrive, which is ACC plus slowing for road junctions, etc. Either way if the car was speced with the feature from the factory there's no on-going rental payment.

I believe cars with ACC could have the InnoDrive enabled through Feature On Demand (FOD), which is an extra charge - I thought it was a one-off payment but I may be wrong. However, I also understand FOD is no longer supported by Porsche - and again I may be wrong but no-doubt better informed forum members will correct me.

 

[Paul Pacey]

What do you mean by "Intelligent Cruise Control"? - there's Adaptive Cruise (ACC) and InnoDrive, which is ACC plus slowing for road junctions, etc. Either way if the car was speced with the feature from the factory there's no on-going rental payment.

I believe cars with ACC could have the InnoDrive enabled through Feature On Demand (FOD), which is an extra charge - I thought it was a one-off payment but I may be wrong. However, I also understand FOD is no longer supported by Porsche - and again I may be wrong but no-doubt better informed forum members will correct me.

 

[Paul Pacey]

Yes tophamn, I'm sure Adaptive Cruise Control is the same as Intelligent CC. My wife's car has it, and I find on long motorway journeys it's really worth while.

 

[tophamn]

Yes tophamn, I'm sure Adaptive Cruise Control is the same as Intelligent CC. My wife's car has it, and I find on long motorway journeys it's really worth while.

I wouldn't buy a car (other than a manual) which doesn't have Adaptive Cruise! - for me it's essential for both motorways and sitting in crawling traffic. If I drive my wife's car, with standard cruise, I have to keep reminding myself it's not going to slow down if the car infront slows.

 

[D00notD00d]

Adaptive Cruise (ACC) and Innodrive are different options. Rough description:

Adaptive: the set speed is adjusted & resumed according to proximity of the car in front. The distance trigger can be configured.

Innodrive: speed is adjusted according to traffic signs and bends as well as proximity.
Innodrive is about £2k, circa double the cost of Adaptive.

If Adaptive was optioned Innodrive can be added retrospectively for either a one off cost or a monthly rental, whichever is most cost effective. @tophamn My understanding is that this online Function on Demand service is not available for the latest J1.2 generation but is still available for at least 2021 forwards. You can see available FOD options accessing the Porsche Connect store via a browser.
FOD monthly allows you to trial an option.
I wasn’t aware if that when I searched for a used 4s with Innodrive. I then switched off each of the Innodrive features one by one, because I prefer to have full control of speed and direction. But others find it useful, particularly ex Tesla owners in the US. I now just use ACC. I’d recommend trialing Innodrive to see if it suits you.
@Frsc
Driving a loaner today without ACC reminded me that a long press on the steering wheel Regen/Recuperation button turns on Auto Regen. Like ACC this uses a proximity sensor to apply ‘engine braking’ and reduce speed to maintain distance. It works well in traffic and on motorways, but it can’t be used at the same time as any Cruise Control. If ACC isn’t fitted, I find that AutoRegen is more useful than standard cruise when heavy traffic means you’re constantly having to defeat and resume standard cruise. Manual regen is useful for braking when descending hills or driving quickly through bends.

ACC has been standard on all Golfs since Mk7, about 2013. We’ve recently been looking replacing our Golf with a Merc A class (not my choice) but it is a very rare option on those. Charging for everything seems to be a ‘premium’ German manufacturer thing.

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