Help! Calling ex Tesla Model 3 owners

[kort]

On the "one pedal driving" mentioned above, the Taycan has a button that allows the regen and will act like a Tesla. Keep in mind that while you may not bug you as a driver, your passengers ALL hate the one pedal driving. Great for making them car sick!

yes there is a regen button on the taycan but the regen is nowhere near as aggressive as a tesla. you cannot do true one pedal driving in a taycan.

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[Kayone73]

yes there is a regen button on the taycan but the regen is nowhere near as aggressive as a tesla. you cannot do true one pedal driving in a taycan.

Same as what others said, I can feel the difference between battery recup regen and pure coasting but it's nowhere near true OPD levels.

Best use of the regen function is to set to Auto and when you're on radar guided cruise control it will regen brake more aggressively when slowing down with traffic.

 

[TaycanBoss]

Just letting everyone you all know that I have ordered a RWD Taycan. Expected delivery is Q3 2022. I will report back to this thread with my breakdown comparing it to my Tesla Model 3 Performance. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread!

 

[Jhenson29]

Best use of the regen function is to set to Auto and when you're on radar guided cruise control it will regen brake more aggressively when slowing down with traffic.

Are you saying the ACC braking is more aggressive with overrun recup set to “auto”? I don’t know how else to interpret that, but it also doesn’t make sense.

 

[ML79]

Newbie here. The wife has a Model Y and I have a BMW M8 Convertible (amazing) with a 4S on order. I despise the Tesla and think it is an absolute POS based upon its quality, design, garbage interface, rattling, endless software glitches, bumpy noisy suspension, etc. It flies though and saves on gas but my wife wish we would have gotten the Audi EV. I want to go all EV and hence will trade in the M8. When I drove the 4S I was blown away and had to constantly tell myself not to compare it to the Y just because it was an EV. Like comparing a steak at Applebee's to Ruth's Chris!

Years ago when I couldn't comfortably afford a $140K car, I didn't stretch for it. Getting a 3P would have been a consideration since it's fast AF, no gas, and it's affordable despite its boring looks. I had several BMW Ms and Audi S4s because that was the best I could afford despite wanting a 911 cab so bad. The Taycan IMO is in a completely different league of quality materials, true performance driving, style (not even close), luxury, attention to detail and I could go on and on. Is it necessary to spend that kind of money on a car? That is all subjective to each person. My wife thinks it a a huge waste of money but respects my passion and love for cars. Like buying designer watches, jeans, etc. It's a luxury for people who can afford it. Plus I suggest to people that if you're gonna buy something really expensive, you should absolutely LOVE it.

 

[Helixer]

Newbie here. The wife has a Model Y and I have a BMW M8 Convertible (amazing) with a 4S on order. I despise the Tesla and think it is an absolute POS based upon its quality, design, garbage interface, rattling, endless software glitches, bumpy noisy suspension, etc. It flies though and saves on gas but my wife wish we would have gotten the Audi EV. I want to go all EV and hence will trade in the M8. When I drove the 4S I was blown away and had to constantly tell myself not to compare it to the Y just because it was an EV. Like comparing a steak at Applebee's to Ruth's Chris!

Years ago when I couldn't comfortably afford a $140K car, I didn't stretch for it. Getting a 3P would have been a consideration since it's fast AF, no gas, and it's affordable despite its boring looks. I had several BMW Ms and Audi S4s because that was the best I could afford despite wanting a 911 cab so bad. The Taycan IMO is in a completely different league of quality materials, true performance driving, style (not even close), luxury, attention to detail and I could go on and on. Is it necessary to spend that kind of money on a car? That is all subjective to each person. My wife thinks it a a huge waste of money but respects my passion and love for cars knowing it won't make a difference to our finances. Like buying designer watches, jeans, etc. It's a luxury for people who can afford it. Plus I suggest to people that if you're gonna buy something really expensive, you should absolutely LOVE it.

I think your 4S order makes eminent sense for all the reasons you cite. And, I congratulate you on your financial independence.
That said, your credibility is suspect when you describe your Tesla as an "absolute POS" based upon, blah, blah, blah. In my opinion, your proposition fails by oversimplification.

 

[ML79]

I think your 4S order makes eminent sense for all the reasons you cite. And, I congratulate you on your financial independence.
That said, your credibility is suspect when you describe your Tesla as an "absolute POS" based upon, blah, blah, blah. In my opinion, your proposition fails by oversimplification.

Easy killer. I could elaborate for an hour but my point was not to bash Tesla but to say it's an apples to oranges comparison. IMO it's a function of $, practicality, affordability, personal preference, etc. to jump from a mid $60K car to one that is 2x+.

 

[Helixer]

Easy killer. I could elaborate for an hour but my point was not to bash Tesla but to say it's an apples to oranges comparison. IMO it's a function of $, practicality, affordability, personal preference, etc. to jump from a mid $60K car to one that is 2x+.

I'm not sure which one of us is the "killer", but I am sure that Taycan is not made better by bashing the alternatives, especially when (in the case of Tesla) there are many universally recognized merits. While I could make the argument that there are some vehicles that could possibly wear the title "POS", Tesla doesn't qualify, IMO, and in the opinion of many on this board!

I'm just hoping that Porsche fine tunes the Taycan over the next 12 months while I await delivery; the Model 3 Performance fills the gap and is a fun every day driver in the interim. And, you are no doubt right is thinking that some folks can't purchase the Taycan for affordability issues, I believe it's been demonstrated that many here can afford to own, and have owned, very fine, very expensive cars, along with the Tesla. Presumably that includes you, too.

 

[ML79]

I'm not sure which one of us is the "killer", but I am sure that Taycan is not made better by bashing the alternatives, especially when (in the case of Tesla) there are many universally recognized merits. While I could make the argument that there are some vehicles that could possibly wear the title "POS", Tesla doesn't qualify, IMO, and in the opinion of many on this board!

When I referred to "the Tesla" I was referring to just my Model Y. Can't speak to everyone else's cars or the S which I've driven but never owned. I digress.

 

[feye]

Color me envious, anything above 75 mph is illegal in Minnesota. I would really like to take my Taycan on the autobahn....

Actually driving really fast on the Autobahn (above 200 km/h) also gets pretty old pretty fast.

What I love about my Taycan is the ability to eat corners at any speed. That for me never gets old...

 

[TycanNewHampshire]

back to the OP's question and points that they may miss, here is my take:

• One pedal driving -If that is what you like, there is no argument against this...stick with the one-pedal machine......you can get close with regain 'on' but it is not as pronounced, nor even close.
• 0-60 3.1s without needing launch control - not sure how much the Taycan difference is in practicality? Again, hard to argue against Tesla specific stats if that is what you like and feel like you will be missing this in the Taycan. I think it is plenty fast and not sure how much you will miss going 0-60 in the shorter time. Personally, it is rare that I am at a stop light that has a speed limit at 60+mph after it and I happen to be the first one at the light to take advantage of this on a 'regular basis'.
• Tesla Auto pilot - I find the Innodrive equal in performance, save for having to keep touching the wheel, the only thing different really is the display aspect. The functionality of Innodrive I think is right up there.
• Integrated dash cam and sentry mode -no doubt this is a benefit to the Tesla and wish that Porsche got its act together and enabled something similar.
• Supercharger network - yes, the EA network is horrible....they really need to get their act together and if they are choosing to partner with a third-party, they need to monitor the complaints and put pressure on them to fix things. This will be a major aspect of an EV purchasing decision and as there are more owners with multiple brands having a LOT of EA issues, this will be noticed, talked about and play a large role in determining which EV to purchase. If Porsche/Audi/VW don't figure out how to structure their partnership to include quality control and functioning governing metrics into their financial deal, they will find themselves asking why vehicle sales are not what they anticipated and at that point, it will be too late and the customer will have created an affinity for another brand (ex. being your reluctance to move away from Tesla. and your quesitons.....you have come to 'expect' these as standards that the vehicle that you are considering switching to, must have as table-stakes for consideration).
• Lack of regular servicing requirements - outside of the 'first-generation' updates that are to be expected, I am not sure what you are questioning here? There are no additional service requirements that the Porsche has to go through vs. Tesla????
• Tesla app - Again, hard to argue against vehicle specifics......no, Porsche does not have a Tesla app. They have the Porsche app.
• Understated looks -Personally, there is nothing understated about the looks of a Tesla, everyone knows it is a Tesla, everyone who walks by it in a garage knows it is a Tesla, when they look in, they see they are being recorded and know it is a Tesla, there is nothing stealth or subtle about owning a Model-3 vs. other Tesla's......and, yes, IMHO the Tesla gets the same visceral reaction that Porsche does and this can be polarizing....it is either: "nice car", or: "I bet he is a DB". Sorry, I am not with you on this one, there is no escaping it.
• Considerably cheaper - Yep, as per my other comments. It is what it is, if the budget is the limiting factor, no need to look any farther than this question about 'what you might miss'......There may be a cheaper version in the future, like what they did with the Cayman vs. 911.....but for right now, it is what it is for price. Not much to say.

First for the analysis; I think it is interesting that 1-pedal driving, Tesla Auto-pilot, integrated security, supercharger network and Tesla app are all proprietary to Tesla (or at least they created it first). So, 5/9 of your question can't be 'compared' to another vehicle.

Then, you have the two statistics of 0-60 in 3.1 that you would 'miss'? That is again, model specific.....would you miss going 0-60 in 3.1 if you went there in 3.0s? Would you miss it if you went there in 3.2s? I think you need to determine what is 'fast enough' for you and then simply include or exclude options that do not go that fast. Second is the 'considerably cheaper'. Again, I would say, determine the budget threshold and exclude anything over that price.

So, that leaves us to the strange comment on service requirements? Not sure what the answer is you are looking for. However, where I live I can say it is a huge advantage to be able to actually have a local service center that I can bring my Porsche into, vs, having them come to me, or if needed drive an incredible distance if I needed a more robust service. Then the understated looks.....see my comment, I don't have anything more to say....When it has the Tesla brand on it, it does not fly under the radar.....sorry.

So my analysis? you have a list that is 7/9 unable to be compared as they are make/model specific and you don't define what is acceptable if not the exact model 3 car and supporting networks. Then you have 2/9 that in my view are just unclear and don't really think is accurate.

I guess what I am trying to say is if I said I was thinking of going back to a Tesla but might miss - Then listed what is unique and specific to Porsche - there is no real debate or question to answer......yes, those things are what the Porsche is/does, other cars don't match exactly to those specs. This is sort of how I view your original post and question.

 

[feye]

...My wife thinks it a a huge waste of money but respects my passion and love for cars. Like buying designer watches, jeans, etc. It's a luxury for people who can afford it. Plus I suggest to people that if you're gonna buy something really expensive, you should absolutely LOVE it.

I think the same when my wife buys a 10k designer bag. I would never say that, but I am convinced I got much more for my money buying my Porsche Taycan.

 

[feye]

To answer the OP: Buy the Taycan, if you can afford it.

 

[TaycanBoss]

back to the OP's question and points that they may miss, here is my take:

• One pedal driving -If that is what you like, there is no argument against this...stick with the one-pedal machine......you can get close with regain 'on' but it is not as pronounced, nor even close.
• 0-60 3.1s without needing launch control - not sure how much the Taycan difference is in practicality? Again, hard to argue against Tesla specific stats if that is what you like and feel like you will be missing this in the Taycan. I think it is plenty fast and not sure how much you will miss going 0-60 in the shorter time. Personally, it is rare that I am at a stop light that has a speed limit at 60+mph after it and I happen to be the first one at the light to take advantage of this on a 'regular basis'.
• Tesla Auto pilot - I find the Innodrive equal in performance, save for having to keep touching the wheel, the only thing different really is the display aspect. The functionality of Innodrive I think is right up there.
• Integrated dash cam and sentry mode -no doubt this is a benefit to the Tesla and wish that Porsche got its act together and enabled something similar.
• Supercharger network - yes, the EA network is horrible....they really need to get their act together and if they are choosing to partner with a third-party, they need to monitor the complaints and put pressure on them to fix things. This will be a major aspect of an EV purchasing decision and as there are more owners with multiple brands having a LOT of EA issues, this will be noticed, talked about and play a large role in determining which EV to purchase. If Porsche/Audi/VW don't figure out how to structure their partnership to include quality control and functioning governing metrics into their financial deal, they will find themselves asking why vehicle sales are not what they anticipated and at that point, it will be too late and the customer will have created an affinity for another brand (ex. being your reluctance to move away from Tesla. and your quesitons.....you have come to 'expect' these as standards that the vehicle that you are considering switching to, must have as table-stakes for consideration).
• Lack of regular servicing requirements - outside of the 'first-generation' updates that are to be expected, I am not sure what you are questioning here? There are no additional service requirements that the Porsche has to go through vs. Tesla????
• Tesla app - Again, hard to argue against vehicle specifics......no, Porsche does not have a Tesla app. They have the Porsche app.
• Understated looks -Personally, there is nothing understated about the looks of a Tesla, everyone knows it is a Tesla, everyone who walks by it in a garage knows it is a Tesla, when they look in, they see they are being recorded and know it is a Tesla, there is nothing stealth or subtle about owning a Model-3 vs. other Tesla's......and, yes, IMHO the Tesla gets the same visceral reaction that Porsche does and this can be polarizing....it is either: "nice car", or: "I bet he is a DB". Sorry, I am not with you on this one, there is no escaping it.
• Considerably cheaper - Yep, as per my other comments. It is what it is, if the budget is the limiting factor, no need to look any farther than this question about 'what you might miss'......There may be a cheaper version in the future, like what they did with the Cayman vs. 911.....but for right now, it is what it is for price. Not much to say.

First for the analysis; I think it is interesting that 1-pedal driving, Tesla Auto-pilot, integrated security, supercharger network and Tesla app are all proprietary to Tesla (or at least they created it first). So, 5/9 of your question can't be 'compared' to another vehicle.

Then, you have the two statistics of 0-60 in 3.1 that you would 'miss'? That is again, model specific.....would you miss going 0-60 in 3.1 if you went there in 3.0s? Would you miss it if you went there in 3.2s? I think you need to determine what is 'fast enough' for you and then simply include or exclude options that do not go that fast. Second is the 'considerably cheaper'. Again, I would say, determine the budget threshold and exclude anything over that price.

So, that leaves us to the strange comment on service requirements? Not sure what the answer is you are looking for. However, where I live I can say it is a huge advantage to be able to actually have a local service center that I can bring my Porsche into, vs, having them come to me, or if needed drive an incredible distance if I needed a more robust service. Then the understated looks.....see my comment, I don't have anything more to say....When it has the Tesla brand on it, it does not fly under the radar.....sorry.

So my analysis? you have a list that is 7/9 unable to be compared as they are make/model specific and you don't define what is acceptable if not the exact model 3 car and supporting networks. Then you have 2/9 that in my view are just unclear and don't really think is accurate.

I guess what I am trying to say is if I said I was thinking of going back to a Tesla but might miss - Then listed what is unique and specific to Porsche - there is no real debate or question to answer......yes, those things are what the Porsche is/does, other cars don't match exactly to those specs. This is sort of how I view your original post and question.

Thanks for the contribution. In relation to my "strange" service requirement question please see this thread https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/service-cost.3722/

 

[mb3195]

Surely this picture is enough to justify the move from a model 3 to a Taycan. Just look how beautiful it is next to the “very boring” looking Model 3. (My taycan, mrs model 3 and also have an S at the moment)

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