Need advice regarding 4S specs and some more questions.

[pix530]

Hello everyone,
I am looking to spec my new 4S. We have family Cayenne and looking for Taycan just as 2nd car/weekend fun car.
Live in Vancouver, BC, so AWD would be great. Not so concerned about range. I ll be the main driver and wife might drive up to 10% of the time.
I read a lot of info before I came up with my spec and questions.
Want car to have sport performance as much as possible but be in humane budget.
I divided all options into 3 categories: must have, questionable and not required.
What I end up with so far:

Required:

Volcano Grey Metallic - Like this color. I have black car already )

19" Taycan S Aero Wheels - I know people recommend Mission wheels, but its too much I guess.

Red leather - must have, like it so much.

Rear 2+1 Seats - no plans to drive with 5 people, but if it will be required, better have it just in case.

Deletion of Model Designation - sounds good for me.

Preparation for Porsche Dashcam (Front and Rear) - absolutely a must.

Perf Pack - whole or options. $6450/$8550

RAS PSP - must have

PDCC Sport - questionable. Im fine with default springs I guess

Chrono Package - questionable. still like clock.

PTV+ - questionable. but I would take it next after RAS.

Sport Sound - not needed

I may take RAS, or just RAS and PTV+

Tech Pack $5300/$5980 if separate

Pass Disp - not needed

HUD - questionable. I mean its ok but not for such money

LCA - must have, mostly for wife

ACC - must have, mostly for wife

Premium Pack $5870/$7940 if separate

14W Seats - fine, might change to 18.

Glass Roof - questionable, not for me at least

Bose - questionable, I have bose, like it. nice to keep same in taycan. not sure how original base sound is. Hear about shortage.

Surr View - must have, for wife

LCA - same as Tech Pack

Vent seats - questionable,

Power fold mirrors - questionable. but cheap

Inonier - not required.

Storage - not required

Rest:

Thermally & Noise Insulated Glass - not required. I m fine with my short trips and road noise as is

Heated Steering Wheel - questionable, I like GT wheel, but it requires Chrono Pack.

Mass and vent - not required, I dont plan any long trips.

Performance Battery Plus - not sure about it. As long trips are not planned, but its always nice to have bigger battery.

At the same time GTS I would need just 7K in options. so price of fully loaded 4S is very close to GTS.

All comments are welcome.

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[Sidicks]

My first question would be why have a Taycan as a ‘fun‘ car? That’s not really what they are designed for?

It would possibly make more sense to replace the Cayenne with the Taycan and then buy something else - 991? - as the fun car.

Do you need a 4-seater ‘fun’ car?

 

[W1NGE]

Hello everyone,
I am looking to spec my new 4S. We have family Cayenne and looking for Taycan just as 2nd car/weekend fun car.
Live in Vancouver, BC, so AWD would be great. Not so concerned about range. I ll be the main driver and wife might drive up to 10% of the time.
I read a lot of info before I came up with my spec and questions.
Want car to have sport performance as much as possible but be in humane budget.
I divided all options into 3 categories: must have, questionable and not required.
What I end up with so far:

Required:

Volcano Grey Metallic - Like this color. I have black car already )

19" Taycan S Aero Wheels - I know people recommend Mission wheels, but its too much I guess.

Red leather - must have, like it so much.

Rear 2+1 Seats - no plans to drive with 5 people, but if it will be required, better have it just in case.

Deletion of Model Designation - sounds good for me.

Preparation for Porsche Dashcam (Front and Rear) - absolutely a must.

Perf Pack - whole or options. $6450/$8550

RAS PSP - must have

PDCC Sport - questionable. Im fine with default springs I guess

Chrono Package - questionable. still like clock.

PTV+ - questionable. but I would take it next after RAS.

Sport Sound - not needed

I may take RAS, or just RAS and PTV+

Tech Pack $5300/$5980 if separate

Pass Disp - not needed

HUD - questionable. I mean its ok but not for such money

LCA - must have, mostly for wife

ACC - must have, mostly for wife

Premium Pack $5870/$7940 if separate

14W Seats - fine, might change to 18.

Glass Roof - questionable, not for me at least

Bose - questionable, I have bose, like it. nice to keep same in taycan. not sure how original base sound is. Hear about shortage.

Surr View - must have, for wife

LCA - same as Tech Pack

Vent seats - questionable,

Power fold mirrors - questionable. but cheap

Inonier - not required.

Storage - not required

Rest:

Thermally & Noise Insulated Glass - not required. I m fine with my short trips and road noise as is

Heated Steering Wheel - questionable, I like GT wheel, but it requires Chrono Pack.

Mass and vent - not required, I dont plan any long trips.

Performance Battery Plus - not sure about it. As long trips are not planned, but its always nice to have bigger battery.

At the same time GTS I would need just 7K in options. so price of fully loaded 4S is very close to GTS.

All comments are welcome.

Wrong choice of car for intended use case (sorry).

Do not over spec a 4S - take the next model up if you need to - unless budget is not that important and resale not a concern.

Suggest 4 or 4S with: Performance Battery Plus, Bose, extended leather, Rear Axle Steering with Power Steering Plus, 360 panoramic cameras, blind spot, Pano roof - and not much else besides.

Not a 5 seater - cabin is too small (less space than the Cayenne) - 4 + 1 almost pointless IMHO.

 

[pix530]

My first question would be why have a Taycan as a ‘fun‘ car? That’s not really what they are designed for?

It would possibly make more sense to replace the Cayenne with the Taycan and then buy something else - 991? - as the fun car.

Do you need a 4-seater ‘fun’ car?

- For instant maximum torque always available.
- What they are designed for?

We may need Cayenne for family, trips, sports. Sometimes I got 2-3 hockey bags, sticks, kayak, skis etc. Taycan is too small for most of it and range is very questionable.
911 would be more expensive than Taycan, and in EV era having 2 gas cars idk if makes a lot of sense.

Base Carrera is same price as Taycan S:
3.0-liter, twin-turbo flat-six is rated at 385 horsepower (287 kilowatts) at 6,500 RPM and 332 pound-feet (450 Nm) at 1,950 to 5,000 RPM

429 horsepower (522 with overboost) and up to 472 pound-feet of torque (Taycan 4S)

In our always shower weather awd is preferable. I am not sure about rwd, as my last 15 years I had only AWD cars. And FWD before that.

Great last question. Most of the times - no. Its for me and my wife.
But we have kids and parents. Not a lot of plans to drive them in fun car, but sometimes it might be required, so I was looking at 718 too and even Boxter, but not sure how practical its going to be. I guess it will save us a lot of $, but if we want to drive somewhere and take son with us - we would need to drive SUV every time. Or bring parents with us for a weekend trip.

Boxter S with some options ($20K) is around $100K so very close to Taycan 4S.

 

[Sidicks]

- For instant maximum torque always available.
- What they are designed for?

We may need Cayenne for family, trips, sports. Sometimes I got 2-3 hockey bags, sticks, kayak, skis etc. Taycan is too small for most of it and range is very questionable.
911 would be more expensive than Taycan, and in EV era having 2 gas cars idk if makes a lot of sense.

Base Carrera is same price as Taycan S:
3.0-liter, twin-turbo flat-six is rated at 385 horsepower (287 kilowatts) at 6,500 RPM and 332 pound-feet (450 Nm) at 1,950 to 5,000 RPM

429 horsepower (522 with overboost) and up to 472 pound-feet of torque (Taycan 4S)

In our always shower weather awd is preferable. I am not sure about rwd, as my last 15 years I had only AWD cars. And FWD before that.

Great last question. Most of the times - no. Its for me and my wife.
But we have kids and parents. Not a lot of plans to drive them in fun car, but sometimes it might be required, so I was looking at 718 too and even Boxter, but not sure how practical its going to be. I guess it will save us a lot of $, but if we want to drive somewhere and take son with us - we would need to drive SUV every time. Or bring parents with us for a weekend trip.

Boxter S with some options ($20K) is around $100K so very close to Taycan 4S.

You might want to check the weight of the two cars as well as the power & torque!

An EV has instant acceleration - that’s probably fun for a while - but if I wanted a fun car, I wouldn’t start with a 2.5tonne EV.

 

[pix530]

Wrong choice of car for intended use case (sorry).

Do not over spec a 4S - take the next model up if you need to - unless budget is not that important and resale not a concern.

Suggest 4 or 4S with: Performance Battery Plus, Bose, extended leather, Rear Axle Steering with Power Steering Plus, 360 panoramic cameras, blind spot, Pano roof - and not much else besides.

Not a 5 seater - cabin is too small (less space than the Cayenne) - 4 + 1 almost pointless IMHO.

- Why not? I really want to start journey into EV and we consider only Porsche. AFAIK Taycan is 911 replacement.
- I got compatible GTS specs.

So no ACC? PTV+ and sport seats?

 

[Fall7St8nd]

We may need Cayenne for family, trips, sports. Sometimes I got 2-3 hockey bags, sticks, kayak, skis etc. Taycan is too small for most of it and range is very questionable.
911 would be more expensive than Taycan, and in EV era having 2 gas cars idk if makes a lot of sense.

I think I understand where you're going by selecting the Taycan. I think there's fun to be had with a Porsche EV, while also having a 4-door sedan as a backup for the family. For example, I selected the rear 2+1 purely for 40/20/40 seat configuration... I've got defensive hockey and lacrosse players. So in a pinch... I could make it work... but this will primarily be my daily driver.

To the other feedback, be careful on too many 4S options where it might make sense to go GTS. Certainly listen to those who already have their car in-hand. Mine is on order. I opted for the Premium package (with sport seats) and skipped the Performance and Tech package. I was ~$10K less on the 4S and didn't feel compelled to spend more to upgrade to the GTS.

Given your use case, if you have a good at-home charging solution, I'm 100% with your approach of only having one car to fill up with gas.

 

[pix530]

You might want to check the weight of the two cars as well as the power & torque!

An EV has instant acceleration - that’s probably fun for a while - but if I wanted a fun car, I wouldn’t start with a 2.5tonne EV.

You are right, Taycan is 1300lbs more of weight to Carrera and I totally got it.
I compared torque above.

 

[Jono]

Even my dealer said the Porsche Dashcam wasnt that great, there are much better 3rd party options.

Quality of life stuff: Auto folding mirrors are surprisingly handy especially when parking in tight places. Id always spec them.

The sports sound seems like a pointless option to many but in real daily terms its occasionally fun but more importantly in city built up areas its been the main thing that has alerted many pedestrians and bikes riders that Im bearing down on them. I would think in many markets it will be a requirement in the future to have some external sound in EVs. Also think resale, it will put a smile on many potential customers faces to hear the spaceship sound on a test drive. better to have it than not.

HUD. Very handy if you option the auto lane keep and drive assist tech. I use these regularly in my daily city drives and the HUD makes things much easier to see if its on and reading the lanes etc. And again these are 'oh cool' things for potential new buys when you go to sell it.

Stereo, get the best one you can. Its a very quiet vehicle, if you cant have a 4 litre flat-six engine screaming in the background at least have some Motley Crew cranked up. Its a very nice car dont cheap out on the stereo IMHO, the base one is rubbish.

Glass roof, if you have people in the back then defiantly get this. It makes a big difference in terms of perceived space and light when you are stuck back there.

Bigger battery, 100% get this. You are entering a market where range anxiety is a very real consumer fear, misguided or not. Again when you go to sell it people will choose the car with the longer range. The Taycans range is already pretty average so any extra is always going to help. Remember you will almost never be charging it to 100%, usually only to 80 or 85% so your daily actual range will be far less than quoted.

 

[SergeyIndy]

You have done excellent research. I am not seeing anything you are missing, but if you are on the fence for some, or in the order of importance to potentially drop to reduce cost, then I would say the next step is for you to create a build and share the code here. Then point out a few options you are contemplating. I drove a RWD and a 4S loaners over several days and both have their own character but saying that you need the 4S so you have AWD is not something I would agree with and would not eliminate RWD as an option.

 

[W1NGE]

- Why not? I really want to start journey into EV and we consider only Porsche. AFAIK Taycan is 911 replacement.
- I got compatible GTS specs.

So no ACC? PTV+ and sport seats?

It is not a 911 replacement by any stretch of the imagination!

911 continues to be in production and will soon be sold as a hybrid.

ACC I would skip as I prefer the regular cruise control which is standard.

PTV+ is worthy of consideration (I have it on my GTS ST where it is standard) but the chances are you won't realise it's there to feel the benefit. I didn't have it in my 4S and so far I've not detected its presence.

Unless you are in a hurry the Macan EV (2024) may be a better choice.

Normally a fun car is a 2 seater so that then puts the spotlight on the Boxster 718 EV (late 2024).

At the end of the day it's your choice (obviously).

 

[W1NGE]

Even my dealer said the Porsche Dashcam wasnt that great, there are much better 3rd party options.

Quality of life stuff: Auto folding mirrors are surprisingly handy especially when parking in tight places. Id always spec them.

The sports sound seems like a pointless option to many but in real daily terms its occasionally fun but more importantly in city built up areas its been the main thing that has alerted many pedestrians and bikes riders that Im bearing down on them. I would think in many markets it will be a requirement in the future to have some external sound in EVs. Also think resale, it will put a smile on many potential customers faces to hear the spaceship sound on a test drive. better to have it than not.

HUD. Very handy if you option the auto lane keep and drive assist tech. I use these regularly in my daily city drives and the HUD makes things much easier to see if its on and reading the lanes etc. And again these are 'oh cool' things for potential new buys when you go to sell it.

Stereo, get the best one you can. Its a very quiet vehicle, if you cant have a 4 litre flat-six engine screaming in the background at least have some Motley Crew cranked up. Its a very nice car dont cheap out on the stereo IMHO, the base one is rubbish.

Glass roof, if you have people in the back then defiantly get this. It makes a big difference in terms of perceived space and light when you are stuck back there.

Bigger battery, 100% get this. You are entering a market where range anxiety is a very real consumer fear, misguided or not. Again when you go to sell it people will choose the car with the longer range. The Taycans range is already pretty average so any extra is always going to help. Remember you will almost never be charging it to 100%, usually only to 80 or 85% so your daily actual range will be far less than quoted.

All EVs have an external sound for pedestrian warning - it is a legal requirement.

Electric Sports Sound is more about creating sound in the cabin and drawing attention to yourself on the outside at low speed. Personally, I rarely use it and if I do it is typically in underground car parks as an enhanced pedestrian warning.

 

[Jono]

All EVs have an external sound for pedestrian warning - it is a legal requirement.

Not in our country (Australia) its not.

In any event 'Recent tests conducted in Norway, which has the highest electric vehicle penetration of any developed market in the world, have revealed that the standard warning volume of 56 decibels may not even be loud enough, given other ambient traffic sounds and background noise, to improve pedestrian safety.'

 

[W1NGE]

Not in our country (Australia) its not.

In any event 'Recent tests conducted in Norway, which has the highest electric vehicle penetration of any developed market in the world, have revealed that the standard warning volume of 56 decibels may not even be loud enough, given other ambient traffic sounds and background noise, to improve pedestrian safety.'

So is this not true https://www.visionaustralia.org/news/2019-08-30/electric-cars-australia-include-safety-sound ?

 

[Jono]

So is this not true https://www.visionaustralia.org/news/2019-08-30/electric-cars-australia-include-safety-sound ?

What do you mean, is what true? As mentioned in the article nothing has been mandated yet. " the federal government’s announcement that plans are underway to mandate a minimum sound requirement in electric and hybrid vehicles in Australia " LOL surely you know how governments work, they lend and ear to something and make promises that may or may not ever be fulfilled and we face far more deadly things in our daily lives in Australia than silent EVs. I think we still adhere to the common sense approach down here 'look both ways before crossing the road'.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...s/news-story/75138aa3f644462d1004ec6a563dcfab

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