Sponsored

whitex

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2021
Threads
87
Messages
8,221
Reaction score
7,255
Location
WA, USA
Vehicles
2023 Taycan TCT, 2024 Q8 eTron P+
Country flag
Technically the Porsche family owns controlling stake in VW, but VW overall still owns Porsche. Their IPO was for non voting shares and did not spin them off. Edit to add: https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/porsche-ipo-leaves-vw-stock-skoda-territory-2022-09-30/
VW owns an controls a lot of Porsche AG. This however does not entitle Porsche AG to use VW resources for free.

EDIT: The percentages I provided before was Porsche SE (not AG) ownership of VW.
Sponsored

 

TXSchnee

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2022
Threads
8
Messages
221
Reaction score
268
Location
St. Paul, MN
Vehicles
‘23 Taycan CT 4S, '24 Cayenne S E Hybrid, '23 Honda Ridgeline
Country flag
VW owns 31% of shares (53.3% of voting shares). This however does not entitle Porsche to use VW resources for free.
They are still owned by VW though. The Porsche and Piech families own the majority of VW stock. The IPO did not fully spin-off Porsche (much the same way the deal with Rimac didn’t fully spin off Bugatti). So yes, all the Porsche vehicles dropped at Port Houston are held at the VW Port area.
 

whitex

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2021
Threads
87
Messages
8,221
Reaction score
7,255
Location
WA, USA
Vehicles
2023 Taycan TCT, 2024 Q8 eTron P+
Country flag
They are still owned by VW though. The Porsche and Piech families own the majority of VW stock. The IPO did not fully spin-off Porsche (much the same way the deal with Rimac didn’t fully spin off Bugatti). So yes, all the Porsche vehicles dropped at Port Houston are held at the VW Port area.
Elon owns and controls significant portions of Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co., Twitter. If he suddenly started offering free Space X satellite launches to Twitter, or free Tesla cars as bonuses for SpaceX employees (with SpaceX not paying Tesla), that would not go over well with other shareholders, probably would be illegal.
 

Miles

Member
First Name
Miles
Joined
Mar 10, 2023
Threads
0
Messages
5
Reaction score
7
Location
UK
Vehicles
Taycan Turbo on order
Country flag
This is a little worrying, mines been there since the 4th. Was due to take delivery this weekend, still no sign of any movement, have you had any update from your SA as to what's causing the delay?
Zero from the SA, all gone quiet but SA's rarely call you back or call just for an update.

I'm fed up of being told it will be here in the next couple of days. I'm sure it will turn up when it's ready.

Meanwhile I'm off to the Caribbean to forget about it all, lost the energy to keep asking. I'm sure the dealers will be stressing out as they won't make the new car registration targets for the quarter.

405 days and counting from my order...................
 


whitex

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2021
Threads
87
Messages
8,221
Reaction score
7,255
Location
WA, USA
Vehicles
2023 Taycan TCT, 2024 Q8 eTron P+
Country flag
Zero from the SA, all gone quiet but SA's rarely call you back or call just for an update.

I'm fed up of being told it will be here in the next couple of days. I'm sure it will turn up when it's ready.

Meanwhile I'm off to the Caribbean to forget about it all, lost the energy to keep asking. I'm sure the dealers will be stressing out as they won't make the new car registration targets for the quarter.

405 days and counting from my order...................
Ordering a Taycan definitely teaches you patience. Mine took about 20 months (~600 days ) from first deposit to delivery. Would have been much longer if I didn't expand my search nationwide and found a different dealer with an allocation. One thing I learned is that SA's are almost as much in the dark as customers, so really no need to bother them until the car is at the dealership, maybe once at the destination port to check for stop sales but I am still not sure they actually have a reliable way to check until the car physically arrives at the dealer. If you push them, sometimes they will make stuff up. The honest ones will tell you that they know nothing when they don't, but those are rare for some reason. In my nationwide search I spoke with more dealers than I care to remember (40+?), only 4 of them were direct and honest about the situation (which at the time was simple - nobody knows when allocations were going to be available, could be few months, could be in few years). The rest of them made up timelines which never materialized (or came even close to).
 
Last edited:

whitex

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2021
Threads
87
Messages
8,221
Reaction score
7,255
Location
WA, USA
Vehicles
2023 Taycan TCT, 2024 Q8 eTron P+
Country flag

Sace

Well-Known Member
First Name
Anders
Joined
Mar 8, 2023
Threads
0
Messages
258
Reaction score
228
Location
Denmark
Vehicles
Taycan Sport Tourismo
Country flag
Ordering a Taycan definitely teaches you patience.
I actually ordered one because the delivery time was shorter than most here in Europe. Car was ordered 19/12 and with delivery at dealer 17/2 - Expected handover 1/3. And now it's just sat in a parking lot in Stuttgart :(

My last car got delayed two months due to Covid, guess this might be worse.
 


whitex

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 30, 2021
Threads
87
Messages
8,221
Reaction score
7,255
Location
WA, USA
Vehicles
2023 Taycan TCT, 2024 Q8 eTron P+
Country flag
I actually ordered one because the delivery time was shorter than most here in Europe. Car was ordered 19/12 and with delivery at dealer 17/2 - Expected handover 1/3. And now it's just sat in a parking lot in Stuttgart :(

My last car got delayed two months due to Covid, guess this might be worse.
You mean to say the "delivery time ESTIMATE was shorter than most", unless of course you got some kind of a money backed guarantee of the timeline (1% off for every month it's late perhaps?). I was originally told I was getting my Taycan Q4 of 2021 or Q1 2022. The difference was, I stopped believing it soon after. I finally got my car last month.
 

Sace

Well-Known Member
First Name
Anders
Joined
Mar 8, 2023
Threads
0
Messages
258
Reaction score
228
Location
Denmark
Vehicles
Taycan Sport Tourismo
Country flag
You mean to say the "delivery time ESTIMATE was shorter than most", unless of course you got some kind of a money backed guarantee of the timeline (1% off for every month it's late perhaps?). I was originally told I was getting my Taycan Q4 of 2021 or Q1 2022. The difference was, I stopped believing it soon after. I finally got my car last month.
Haha yeah your'e right.

Fortunately my deal is with a fixed price on my current car so it does not really impact me other than testing my patience.
 

Bibo

Member
First Name
Mohamed
Joined
Feb 25, 2023
Threads
5
Messages
22
Reaction score
1
Location
Houston , Texas
Vehicles
Taycan
Country flag
Was your car on the SFL Conductor? My car was released and delivered today after PPF and tint. No electric steering column. 14 speaker (not 12 speaker) bose system. VLC present and working. Heater worked as of today thank goodness.
It was on Sunshine Ace and arrived on March 5th , Congratulations for you to receive your car
 

Bibo

Member
First Name
Mohamed
Joined
Feb 25, 2023
Threads
5
Messages
22
Reaction score
1
Location
Houston , Texas
Vehicles
Taycan
Country flag
October!? That seems pretty extreme. I was hoping a couple weeks....
Me too but they started to offer some alternatives that could be released by end of March from the port but none of them have similar options like the one i am waiting for.
 

f1eng

Well-Known Member
First Name
Frank
Joined
Aug 19, 2021
Threads
48
Messages
4,765
Reaction score
8,335
Location
Oxfordshire, UK
Vehicles
Taycan CT4S, Ferrari 355, Merc 500E, Prius PHV
Country flag
You might find this interesting:
1678613981473.webp
When the battery is cold the mixing valve 1 will obviously direct most of the hot fluid into the battery temperature control circuit. A 600+ kg battery has a somewhat higher thermal capacity than the passenger compartment.
When the battery and motor get hot, and need cooling, the HV heater will probably be completely off and the warm fluid circulating for the cabin heater will all have come from other direction.
 

Throb

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2022
Threads
8
Messages
528
Reaction score
658
Location
NL & UK
Vehicles
Audi R8 V10, Cayenne EV (on order), BMW iX3 (on order), MB C-Class, Renault R5
Country flag
I hope you are right. By the time I get my MY23 there will be MT24s shipping. I've told my dealer I will cancel my order and re-order is the delay is significant.
As a datapoint, the 992 was launched in November 2018 in Los Angeles, and the Taycan was launched in September 2019 in Frankfurt. Ten months later. The 992 facelift hasn't happened yet, so I wouldn't expect the Taycan to receive a facelift before the 992. A colleague of mine has a 992 GTS on order, and he's been told by his SA that the 992 facelift is coming January next year. Yes, I know SAs don't always know, but it ties in with everything else I've read about facelifts. I've also heard from multiple sources including my own, very switched-on SA, that the Macan EV has been delayed by one year; it should have been launched this summer but will not now come until 2024. The Taycan facelift will come after that. Everything is pointing towards a 2024 facelift for the Taycan (as a MY25).
 

Genau

Well-Known Member
First Name
Dan
Joined
Dec 15, 2019
Threads
4
Messages
939
Reaction score
992
Location
Reston, Virginia
Vehicles
2020 Taycan 4S
Country flag
Elon owns and controls significant portions of Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Co., Twitter. If he suddenly started offering free Space X satellite launches to Twitter, or free Tesla cars as bonuses for SpaceX employees (with SpaceX not paying Tesla), that would not go over well with other shareholders, probably would be illegal.
Not disputing your point, but Elon did launch a Tesla into space on a SpaceX rocket. And the first Boring Co. test tunnel was built adjacent to the SpaceX campus.
Porsche Taycan All Taycan deliveries being held at port due to needing new heaters Elon_Musk's_Tesla_Roadster_(40110297852)
Sponsored

 
 








Top