New Taycan owner moving from 911

[Sidicks]

Some experience in the pre-spec phase, none after that. It may very well be the way you describe. But my experience is that handling is fine without RAS.

To me there is also the added complication that with RAS on a slippery (Norwegian winter) road, I may not feel the difference between rear wheels slipping and RAS kicking in.

Handling is certainly fine without RAS. However low speed direction changes are improved and high speed stability is improved.

Rear wheels slipping and reverse steer will feel entirely different - why do you think otherwise?

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[or1]

Rear wheels slipping and reverse steer will feel entirely different - why do think otherwise?

You have experienced that it's different? I'm open to see arguments. But I'm not thinking of acceleration or braking slipping, but what may happen in a curve with icy road patches where the back end may start going sideways.

 

[Sidicks]

You have experienced that it's different? I'm open to see arguments. But I'm not thinking of acceleration or braking slipping, but what may happen in a curve with icy road patches where the back end may start going sideways.

In use, RAS is basically imperceptible, where (at low speed) the car just inscribes a tighter line that you’d expect to be possible given the size of car and speed.

Oversteer on ice, where the back-end goes light (rear wheels spinning) feels very different.

 

[Ronnie]

The waiting list on a new one was too long so I went for a couple of months old ex Porsche Uk head office car. It’s fully loaded but does not have RAS. I had a Panamera before 911 so used to the size of the car.

Sorry what is RAS ? I thought it was the surround camera which is not on my GTS . If it means rear wheel steering then yes i do have that on the GTS.

 

[simcity]

Sorry what is RAS ?

As you guessed its Rear Axle Steering

 

[outie]

The Taycan is big and heavy and you can feel it. It’s quiet and comfortable, even in GTS form. It’s a great sporty EV for what it is. A sports car it is not… but my other car is a McLaren so the difference is night and day.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

However, compared to a 911, it is much less emotional and less fun to drive - a typical 911 is less than 2/3rds the weight and has a noise that an EV can only dream of.

So if you want an everyday EV which handles well, you’ve done the right thing. If you want a car for fun driving at weekends, I think you’ve made a mistake!

That depends on how you define "emotion" and "fun". I find that, once you disassociate noise from fun, there's no going back, and making rapid progress without sounding like you're really trying becomes part of the fun. If you regard involvement and immersion as key drivers of emotion, then an open-top manual RWD with relatively skinny tyres (MX5?) might be the best option.
On the point of weight- if lower weight is a key criterion, there are much better options than a 911 (or a Porsche, for that matter).
Regardless of the above, I've found that I drive my Taycan for the fun of it more than any other car I've had (admittedly, being retired contributes to that).

 

[Sidicks]

That depends on how you define "emotion" and "fun". I find that, once you disassociate noise from fun, there's no going back, and making rapid progress without sounding like you're really trying becomes part of the fun. If you regard involvement and immersion as key drivers of emotion, then an open-top manual RWD with relatively skinny tyres (MX5?) might be the best option.
On the point of weight- if lower weight is a key criterion, there are much better options than a 911 (or a Porsche, for that matter).
Regardless of the above, I've found that I drive my Taycan for the fun of it more than any other car I've had (admittedly, being retired contributes to that).

Fair enough!

The pace is not in question, but for me there's minimal emotion in hitting the brake pedal to slow down and mashing the accelerator to speed up again. Having said that, I'm not surprised or disappointed - it is what it is!

The same route in a 911 GT3 would be a totally different journey - possibly not as fast, but being able to change gear (either in a PDK-S or a manual) and enjoying the engine approaching 9,000rpm would make it much more involving and immersive (IMO).

Hence I need to get a GT3 (991.2) asap which would then give me the perfect combination of vehicles!

 

[f1eng]

That depends on how you define "emotion" and "fun". I find that, once you disassociate noise from fun, there's no going back, and making rapid progress without sounding like you're really trying becomes part of the fun. If you regard involvement and immersion as key drivers of emotion, then an open-top manual RWD with relatively skinny tyres (MX5?) might be the best option.
On the point of weight- if lower weight is a key criterion, there are much better options than a 911 (or a Porsche, for that matter).
Regardless of the above, I've found that I drive my Taycan for the fun of it more than any other car I've had (admittedly, being retired contributes to that).

I agree with every word of this!
For the roads around here a 911 is no better that a Taycan being still too big and heavy.

My TVR Griffith was the best sports car I have owned, weighing around 1000kg. Mine had a big valve engine ( they only built a dozen or so) which needed premium fuel to avoid detonation but had more power than the normal one (which would probably have been quick enough actually).

https://www.auto-data.net/en/tvr-griffith-4.3-280hp-5847

I only sold it because I thought I would kill myself in it but it is way better as a sports car than anything else I have had. No 911 came close as a sports car IME.

 

[or1]

That depends on how you define "emotion" and "fun". I find that, once you disassociate noise from fun, there's no going back, and making rapid progress without sounding like you're really trying becomes part of the fun. If you regard involvement and immersion as key drivers of emotion, then an open-top manual RWD with relatively skinny tyres (MX5?) might be the best option.
On the point of weight- if lower weight is a key criterion, there are much better options than a 911 (or a Porsche, for that matter).
Regardless of the above, I've found that I drive my Taycan for the fun of it more than any other car I've had (admittedly, being retired contributes to that).

Agree! Fun does not need noise. An electric Porsche has great technology and its natural sounds are enjoyable, even when they are less present. Or rather, they are enjoyable also because they are less present. I embrace the electric sound image.

 

[Sidicks]

I only sold it because I thought I would kill myself in it but it is way better as a sports car than anything else I have had. No 911 came close as a sports car IME.

Unfortunately I never tried a TVR, although a good friend had a few. There certainly wasn't much to compare in terms of bhp/kg or bhp/£.

However, from what i've read, a 911 has a more delicate handling balance, even if heavier, whereas the TVR was more brute force.

What 911 are you comparing against?

 

[simcity]

Hence I need to get a GT3 (991.2) asap which would then give me the perfect combination of vehicles!

I’ve had a GT3 Touring on the configurator for months ?

 

[Sidicks]

I’ve had a GT3 Touring on the configurator for months ?

I'm hoping to get an allocation for a 992.2, but if not will try and buy a 991.2. I'd be happy with a winged version or a Touring.

 

[WuffvonTrips]

My TVR Griffith was the best sports car I have owned, weighing around 1000kg. Mine had a big valve engine ( they only built a dozen or so) which needed premium fuel to avoid detonation but had more power than the normal one (which would probably have been quick enough actually).

https://www.auto-data.net/en/tvr-griffith-4.3-280hp-5847

I only sold it because I thought I would kill myself in it but it is way better as a sports car than anything else I have had.

Plus, TVRs of that era look gorgeous. The Griffith and Cerbera were in my (day-)dream garage when I was working within a few miles of the factory- that could have been handy if their electrical reliability reputation is to be believed.

 

[f1eng]

Plus, TVRs of that era look gorgeous. The Griffith and Cerbera were in my (day-)dream garage when I was working within a few miles of the factory- that could have been handy if their electrical reliability reputation is to be believed.

Mine was a daily driver for 5 years (1992-7) and never gave any trouble.
I was brought up in Kirkham.

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