Home charging

[whitex]

there are lots of charger that can full at full 40 amps with out overheating - the "workaround" to reduce charging speed is an admission by Porsche that they product can't run at the advertised charge rate with out failing - $200 charger from Tesla will run all day and all night at full 40 amps 9.6 kW and not overheat

I can attest to that. I ran a $200 Tesla 40A EVSE from a cheap $15 NEMA 14-50 for a decade, charging almost daily (at one point I installed a Tesla 80A HPWC but the cable was on the other side of the car, so lazy me just charged from the 40A mobile connector - the 80A HPWC is now charging my Taycan - it's on the right side of the car, so no need to drag the wire across the floor). No NEMA 14-50 meltdowns, no issues whatsoever. I now carry that charger with a TeslaTap adapter in my Taycan as a mobile charger - so much smaller and lighter than PMC+ that came with it (I also picked up a used PMCC for my own reverse engineering curiosity, I actually put it back together to usable state but would honestly not consider either PMC+ or PMCC worth the weight to carry in a Taycan, nor would I trust them with a non-industrial NEMA 14-50 unattended - yes, the upgrade to Hubbel NEMA 14-50 is sadly still on my to-do list, I even have the parts ready, just no time nor desire).

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[whitex]

Thanks so much! This is super helpful. I think I was thinking about this wrong and not initially considering just getting an electrician to install the NEMA 14-50 outlet. Your suggestion is very helpful. I will go down that route.

Just make sure you get the recommended Hubbell NEMA 14-50 socket (there other other, cheaper Hubbell NEMA 14-50's available - you want the industrial grade Hubbell 9450A. Porsche EVSE's tend to push the NEMA receptacles to industrial limits.

For example, this is the industrial grade socket:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J15QW2
while this is the non-industrial version from the same company (not the one recommended for Porsche EVSE):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008KMTBUA

 

[daveo4EV]

I have the 32 amp circuit fitted in my garage delivering 11kw. If I had the 22kw upgraded onboard charger in my car I could get up to 22kw.
In Australia you cannot untick the option of charging so you have to pay for the wall charger as part of the purchase. I have charged at home and it works well.
Also at hotels Porsche have installed this same charger and call it the Porsche destination charger.
At the Porsche centre they have dc chargers at 150kw.
In the states is it cheaper to purchase other brand of chargers?

the North American version of the PMC+/PMCC also has technical difficulties that to date the non-NA versions seem to avoid. Many many many non-Na Taycan owners report far better results vs. the documented problems we have with our NA unit - Porsche dealers outside North America are not advising customers to "reduce charging" speed to avoid overheating problems - that is an official "response" from Porsche for dealer service managers and technician's to advise customers to adjust the PMC+/PMCC to 1/2 speed (20 amps 4.8 kW) when there are documented technical failures - not fix/replace the product with one that works - no tell customers officially it can not operate at it's specified charge rate and send them on their way with no further explanation and not mention that will double their Taycan charging time, and it doesn't have to be "that way" that a $200 product will perform better than their $4060 POS.

For what ever reason the NA versions of PMC+/PMCC have documented engineering short falls…more details can be found here…

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/t...uide-to-the-porsche-evse-pmc-pmcc-pwcc.13886/

given it's:

• performance
• expense
• weight
• size
• feature set
• it's finicky/phantom ground fault sensitivity problems
• internal breaker faults interrupting charging sessions
• documented short falls by Porsche (run at 50%)
• documented lack of compatibility with non-Porsche EVs
• Porsche's "I shrug my shoulders" approach to any problem - i.e. zero customer support when there is a problem

I am hard pressed to think of a worse EVSE available on the north american market - it is also the most expensive mobile 50/40 amp EVSE by a long shot vs. any competitive J-1772 EVSE available on the market.

Factually - I'd love to hear from _ANYONE_ about a J-1772 EVSE they would _NOT_ recommend other than the Porsche one - I can't think of a single EVSE available on the north American market that we all wouldn't say - "yeah that will work you'll be fine"… @Tooney, @whitex, @kort - can you think of an EVSE other Porsche's that you'd tell people _NOT_ to purchase?

Porsche's EVSE is a unique product in the North American mobile EVSE landscape of products - and not in a good way.

the PWCC shares the PMC+/PMCC's functional problems but only some of them - namely the compatibility problem, software complexity, and finicky electrical problems - but it does not suffer from overheating issues due to the fact that it's hardwired. It's a slightly better product than the PMC+/PMCC, and very cost competitive (less than $1700 for an adjustable AMP EVSE up to 80 amps is an excellent price for it's feature set and capabilities). Also it's size/bulk is less of an issue because it's not mobile - but you have too overlook it's lack of support for non-Porsche EV's to be satisfied with it as an EVSE - EVSE's by design are not supposed to vendor/EV specific - they are supposed to be generic and support all EV's (like USB chargers) - Porsche has some how made an EVSE for North America that can only charge Porache/Audi/VW EV's - and has documented faults and failure to charge non-Porsche EV's - again "unique" in the North American EVSE market - but it does not overheat/melt or have to run at 1/2 speed to operate - so I guess that's progress - and it's price is reasonable/competitive as opposed to "OMG it costs what?" outrageous.

 

[whitex]

Factually - I'd love to hear from _ANYONE_ about a J-1772 EVSE they would _NOT_ recommend other than the Porsche one - I can't think of a single EVSE available on the north American market that we all wouldn't say - "yeah that will work you'll be fine"… @Tooney, @whitex, @kort - can you think of an EVSE other Porsche's that you'd tell people _NOT_ to purchase?

Honestly, I cannot think of a Level 2 EVSE sold today that would strongly recommend against, except for Porsche PMC+/PMCC. I would recommend against any Level 1 EVSE, like Level 1 charger which I read comes with VW ID.4 - 120V/10A max, it baffles me why VW would even bother.

 

[Basebull7]

I just put my PMCC in the closet and bought a ChargePoint Flex + and I luv it.

 

[Elroy]

there are lots of charger that can full at full 40 amps with out overheating - the "workaround" to reduce charging speed is an admission by Porsche that they product can't run at the advertised charge rate with out failing - $200 charger from Tesla will run all day and all night at full 40 amps 9.6 kW and not overheat - Porsche's charger is $4000 and can't run at it fully specified rate - you wouldn't be happy if your Taycan could only drive 30 mph in a 60 mph zone - I'm confused as to why people consider it acceptable for Porsche to advise them to run their EV charger at 1/2 speed to avoid it overheating - this is not a hard problem. This is a Porsche engineering fail.

virtually _ANY_ other EV charger (EVSE) you can purchase for $200 on up - will charge your Taycan at full rate without overheating.

Porsche's product is substandard and it despicable that Porsche has not recalled/replaced their defective product. You would not find any other product acceptable to run at 1/2 it's advertised rate - would you find it acceptable if your freezer could only cool to 64F instead of 32F?

Grateful for your great advice and perceptions of so may Taycan related topics. You were a trusted resource as we were ordering and waiting 7 months for our GTS. I’m not satisfied with the Porsche charging solution and intend to upgrade our home charger soon. I’m willing to

In our MY2022 Taycan GTS we use the supplied Porsche charger installed as recommended. It is installed in our climate controlled garage kept at 85° maximum. This summer I have been having charging malfunctions at 100% charge rate due to the charger overheating. Our Porsche service advisor recommended reducing the charging rate to 50% which still recharges the car at home overnight and so far has solved the problem. We normally charge to 85% and try to only use the level three charger which is available at the nearby Porsche dealer for a free fast charge when we need to take the charge quickly to 100% for a longer trip. We are getting 245 mi. range at 85% charge in normal mode

David, Posted too soon. Let me try again
Grateful for your great advice and perceptions of so many Taycan related topics. You were a trusted resource as we were ordering and waiting 7 months for our GTS. I’m not satisfied with the Porsche charging solution and intend to upgrade our home charger soon. I’m willing to bring an electrician in to increase the amperage and hard wire a better solution. Not overly concerned with the cost and want to do it right. A big consideration is providing for charging for a planned second EV (perhaps a new Macan EV but not sure). You seem to prefer the Enphase/Clipper Creek HCS-60 for in-home installation and the 32 amp Universal Mobile Charger Gen 2 (UMC Gen2) from Tesla $230 + full set of 6 additional NEMA plugs $245 + $140 for a kit in the frunck. Am I reading your posts correctly? Any other suggestions for a in-home setup that would be optimal for the GTS now but allow for the best solution when we add our second EV to the garage?

As an aside, I'm an 8th generation Californian, also a David, who grew up in the Bay area. Been in Texas for 41 years. While on a trip to San Francisco last week, Avis upgraded me to a Genesis Electrified G80. Although it doesn't drive like the GTS it is very impressive for a sedan that costs about 1/2 the price of our GTS. 285 miles of range and super quiet.

 

[Tooney]

Factually - I'd love to hear from _ANYONE_ about a J-1772 EVSE they would _NOT_ recommend other than the Porsche one - I can't think of a single EVSE available on the north American market that we all wouldn't say - "yeah that will work you'll be fine"… @Tooney, @whitex, @kort - can you think of an EVSE other Porsche's that you'd tell people _NOT_ to purchase?

I have hands-on experience with 3 home EVSEs.
Two that have worked well for me that I'd recommend:
--Wallbox Pulsar Plus 40amp plug-in wall-mounted
--J+(Juice) Booster 2 40amp plug-in portable
One that I have had trouble with and would not recommend:
--Porsche Mobile Charger Plus (PMC+) 40amp?-but not really, portable

When NA people here ask for advice on Taycan options, I recommend they not buy or use any Porsche-branded EVSE, and suggest they read the forum for reasons.

For more details about Porsche-brand EVSEs, I suggest NA: ultimate guide to the Porsche EVSE: PMC+, PMCC, PWCC

When people post here for help with charging problems they are having with Porsche-brand EVSEs - and there are lots of those posts over the years - I suggest they buy a non-Porsche EVSE.

In addition to many points @daveo4EV has made, if/when you want support/answers/diagnosis/repair/replacement for a Porsche-brand EVSE, Porsche manuals, dealers, and customer service are shit at providing it, unlike the good support I have received from Wallbox and Juice.

 

[dstepin92]

If you're going with a wall install, ditch the Porsche PMCC EVSE and go with a 60 amp breaker direct wire installation. Get a TESLA or any other EVSE that supports this. I did my own breaker + hubble socket install and if you have a conduit from your breaker to the wall then doing it yourself is honestly straight forward. If you're not comfortable then get an Electrician do it (if you don't have a conduit ready then this will be your choice anyways.) I recommend a 60 amp breaker and an EVSE that supports 48 amp charging so that you can charge at the fastest rate you can and the difference in cost will be marginal.

 

[Elroy]

If you're going with a wall install, ditch the Porsche PMCC EVSE and go with a 60 amp breaker direct wire installation. Get a TESLA or any other EVSE that supports this. I did my own breaker + hubble socket install and if you have a conduit from your breaker to the wall then doing it yourself is honestly straight forward. If you're not comfortable then get an Electrician do it (if you don't have a conduit ready then this will be your choice anyways.) I recommend a 60 amp breaker and an EVSE that supports 48 amp charging so that you can charge at the fastest rate you can and the difference in cost will be marginal.

Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts. Totally agree and have my electrician lined up to put in the 60amp breaker direct wire to allow for 48 amp charging. One would think that with Macan, 718 and Cayenne EVs on the way, Porsche would come up with a state of the art charger instead of a mediocre one that overheats when properly installed. Oh well, no big deal, as we love the car.

 

[BurntToast]

My utility company has an EV program where I pay $14/mo and they installed a chargepoint home flex. If it breaks they'll replace it. They also paid for a lot of the electrical work.

Maybe see if your utility provider has a similar option.

 

[Mr. 2021 Taycan]

DO NOT BUY ANY PORSCHE CHARGER! They are too expensive and don't work well.

Recommend you spend a few bucks more to get a heavy duty Hubbell NEMA wall receptible.

See attached.

Only decision is whether you want a portable unit or a fixed wall mounted unit.

Many good reviews here: https://www.youtube.com/@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney

 

[Hawk]

If you're going with a wall install, ditch the Porsche PMCC EVSE and go with a 60 amp breaker direct wire installation. Get a TESLA or any other EVSE that supports this. I did my own breaker + hubble socket install and if you have a conduit from your breaker to the wall then doing it yourself is honestly straight forward. If you're not comfortable then get an Electrician do it (if you don't have a conduit ready then this will be your choice anyways.) I recommend a 60 amp breaker and an EVSE that supports 48 amp charging so that you can charge at the fastest rate you can and the difference in cost will be marginal.

This is the way
My gts is Coming in August (targeted).
Just did this with Emporia charger.

 

[ekk188]

I'm trying to repurpose my Tesla Gen2 wall charger for my new Taycan. The J1772 adapter I purchased was impossible to plug in and remove from the charging port. I see some posts suggesting either sanding down the adapter or using some lubricant to make it easier to plug in and remove. Anyone have experience with a lubricant or an adapter that works more easily?

 

[whitex]

I'm trying to repurpose my Tesla Gen2 wall charger for my new Taycan. The J1772 adapter I purchased was impossible to plug in and remove from the charging port. I see some posts suggesting either sanding down the adapter or using some lubricant to make it easier to plug in and remove. Anyone have experience with a lubricant or an adapter that works more easily?

Why do you need to remove it? It's ok to keep it on permanently.
That said, I did use the 80A TeslaTap mini on one of mine, and yes, it was really tight, so I ended up lubricating with this (I happened to have some around):
https://www.amazon.com/Krytox-Grease-Pure-PFPE-PTFE/dp/B00MWLD61A
However, once you do that, it does leave grease on the Tesla plug, which will sometimes get on your hands when handing it (the lubricant above is fairly inert, but still slippery on your hands). Sanding down the plug might me a better solution if you need to switch the adapter often. For me, I permanently switched out the cable (you can just switch out the plug too) converting the HPWC to J1772 permanently. There is even a dip switch inside which lets you disable the Tesla comms protocol, which cuts down on the charging start delay. I currently have 2 HPWC's balancing 80A, one Tesla and one J1772, though might be converting the other one to J1772 in the near future as I'm considering replacing the Tesla with non-Tesla EV.

 

[lwc1001]

I'm trying to repurpose my Tesla Gen2 wall charger for my new Taycan. The J1772 adapter I purchased was impossible to plug in and remove from the charging port. I see some posts suggesting either sanding down the adapter or using some lubricant to make it easier to plug in and remove. Anyone have experience with a lubricant or an adapter that works more easily?

What brand adapter are you using? I'm using a tesla tap mini(60amps) and it works great.

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