Model 3 Highland or Secondhand Taycan ST/CT 4S ?

[simcity]

Unless you posted this question to a Tesla forum as well seems like you have made up your mind

That would be the balanced approach yes, but not sure the answers will come back balanced.

I'd say there's far more chance (in a Venn diagram, sense) of finding drivers that have owned both Tesla and Tacans on here than on TMC, and are more willing to therefore perhaps given a balanced opinion of each.

(Ive had a Tesla but not a Model 3, so I'm not going to be much use. ?)

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[simcity]

In my humble opinion you really can't decide based solely on what someone on a forum tells you, @EGGY41

You needed to drive both cars, ideally a short space of time apart and possibly more than once to get an appreciation.

If you want real world costs, insurance, repairs, and what its like to live with a Taycan then I'm sure we can help with that.

Cheap it won't be in the UK I can assure you of that compared to a Tesla though.

 

[whitex]

Hopefully you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when composing that. Made me chuckle that did. Taycan , Cheap and UK in the one sentence.

I was poking a little fun of all the comments lamenting how the UK financial incentives make people buy Taycans instead of other cars they'd rather have, and how new Taycans are so cheap that it's causing used Taycans to pile up on lots and their prices to nosedive.

 

[f1eng]

You didn't say what kind of "car enthusiast" you were. I am not a mind reader. Drag racers call themselves car enthusiasts as well.

But they are all in the USA. Unlikely to find any in the UK part of the forum.

Outside the USA drag racing is a tiny, tiny niche thing of little interest to almost anybody - because of our roads I suppose.

I do know of a drag strip in England but have never been to a drag race in my life or had the faintest interest in doing so and I am the archetypal car enthusiast in this part of the world!

 

[simcity]

But they are all in the USA.

Outside the USA drag racing is a tiny, tiny niche thing of little interest to almost anybody - because of our roads I suppose.

I do know of a drag strip in England but have never been to a drag race in my life or had the faintest interest in doing so and I am the archetypal car enthusiast in this part of the world!

Santa Pod isn’t it? Nothing else of note.

 

[simcity]

UK is (or was) the land of converted former WW2 airfields becoming the “local” race tracks.

These days they’re more likely to be housing estates though ?

 

[f1eng]

Santa Pod is it isn’t it? Nothing else of note.

Yes, not far from me but I have never had the faintest interest in going.

I have little interest in quoted 0-60 times either as irrelevant to my use.

I suppose it is a trivial parameter to measure needing neither sophisticated equipment nor much driving skill (none with launch control) which is why road testers still do it, I suppose.

 

[Scandinavian]

Santa Pod is it isn’t it? Nothing else of note.

That is close to Wellingborough isn’t it? Northants?

 

[simcity]

Yes, not far from me but I have never had the faintest interest in going.

I have little interest in quoted 0-60 times either as irrelevant to my use.

I suppose it is a trivial parameter to measure needing neither sophisticated equipment nor much driving skill (none with launch control) which is why road testers still do it, I suppose.

Nurburgring lap times are pretty irrelevant to my daily driving requirements. But I pay them a little bit more heed / interest ?

 

[simcity]

That is close to Wellingborough isn’t it? Northants?

It’s the one.

 

[f1eng]

Nurburgring lap times are pretty irrelevant to my daily driving requirements. But I pay them a little bit more heed / interest ?

They are more relevant to my daily driving requirement than 0-60 but yes. ?

The thing with lap times though is driver skill is a huge part of it (as are tyres) so super difficult to compare.

I did ask one friend of mine who does lap times sometimes for a car magazine with a team of reporters and he told me it is always him who does all the lap times regardless of how it seems in text or video to make it consistent.

As a person lucky enough to have been driven round the old Nurburgring by Keke Rosberg, Brands Hatch by Carlos Reutemann, Silverstone by Damon Hill and Paul Ricard by Michael Schumacher, amongst many others, that the difference between them and me was light years and very sobering.

I remember going to a Kart rack in the USA as a day off with an Indy car team I was assisting and everybody had a go. Al Unser was their driver and spent the whole day pissing himself with laughter and nobody got anywhere near his time.

Proper racing drivers really are a class apart IME however talented most enthusiasts think they are - and believe me some members of race teams think they would be the driver if their Dad had more money ???

 

[simcity]

As a person lucky enough to have been driven round the old Nurburgring by Keke Rosberg, Brands Hatch by Carlos Reutemann, Silverstone by Damon Hill and Paul Ricard by Michael Schumacher, amongst many others, that the difference between them and me was light years and very sobering.

I have one word in that respect Frank. Envy! ???

 

[EGGY41]

Evening all,

Thanks for the thoughts ... just back from the school run (took the ID.3 for the "experience" but that's another thread) and parked up next to a coupe in the Sainsbury's car park, blimey they're long ! Nice new Shell chargers in Loghborough, BP at Cranley in Kettering had some poor chap in an Enyaq revisiting his car multiple times to restart the charge ...

Any ho, I've been PAYE for 45 years so no writing of depreciation for me. The experience of the VW's route planning was enough to remind why I usually take the model 3 ... it was so bad I felt there must be some setting I'd over looked.

I guess I got the car (and bike) bug from my Dad (the non engine bike bug from my mate's Dad), used to go to lot's of races in my younger days, Brands not a million miles away and it was cheap in the 80's, camping and all that! Stopped going for a bit when it got expensive until work mean't I didn't have to pay We had one of those jackets from Frank's old team, walk round the back of the pits to the arrows garage, walk through there and bingo, pit lane access I'm no great driver but I like driving.

I was thinking about this conundrum on the way home today, I guess the nub of it is the balance between driving experience (which will obviously be a plus of a Porsche) and the whole route planning, charging integration (Tesla) and which one matters the most for me.

Makes sense to have a test drive, this year we plan to take 2 trips, Essex/Stuttgart/Porec/Padova (in laws)/Parma (more in laws) Genoa (even more in laws)/Varigotti and then somewhere in the Langedoc and back to Varigotti. A decision can wait a while, they'll still be making them. My TM3 is lightly tweaked on the suspension side, so that's another option I guess.

While we're off down memory lane, I recall (although I have a terrible memory) going to Silverstone, I think it was during that period when the Turbo cars were beginning to dominate. Qualifying, they had a chicane in at Woodcote. It had rained, track was damp with a drying line, everyone was lifting but Rosberg took it without lifting. You could hear the gasp from the crowd. Blimey.

 

[whitex]

Yes, not far from me but I have never had the faintest interest in going.

I have little interest in quoted 0-60 times either as irrelevant to my use.

I suppose it is a trivial parameter to measure needing neither sophisticated equipment nor much driving skill (none with launch control) which is why road testers still do it, I suppose.

Given how little interest Brits have in 0-60 acceleration, or launch control, how does Porche market Turbo S to justify twice the price? Is it the badge people pay for, or does everyone just buy base Taycans there, so Porsche doesn’t bother marketing or making higher trims for the UK?

 

[f1eng]

Given how little interest Brits have in 0-60 acceleration, or launch control, how does Porche market Turbo S to justify twice the price? Is it the badge people pay for, or does everyone just buy base Taycans there, so Porsche doesn’t bother marketing or making higher trims for the UK?

Sorry, I've never noticed their marketing.

FWIW in my personal case I had been delighted by how much better the throttle response of my plug in hybrid when in EV mode compared to a typical IC engined car (particularly turbo) so I looked around for an EV.
I looked at a few road tests to see what appealed to me, looked at a few configurators to see if I could live with a spec I could select and had test drives.
In the end, of the ones I looked into and tested, the Tacyan CT 4S was the only one I was prepared to pay for. I would have been perfectly content to keep the car I had rather than get any of the others - in fact I have so far.

It isn't just Brits though, it is pretty well any European or Scandinavian road system which makes it a pointless parameter.

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