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Should Cyclist's help the economy and pay road tax and have insurance

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I am not going to make many friends here but I am frankly a little uneasy about folks driving a 70-140k sports car, and often multiple of them, talking about taxing other modes of transportation.
Careful there; the Taycan is not a sports car, but more like an overweight-but-surprisingly-sporty sedan. (Also available as a wagon.)
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It seems counterproductive, especially when we should be encouraging more people to ride bikes instead of driving. Bicycles are environmentally friendly, and more cyclists can reduce traffic congestion and pollution. As for liability insurance for cyclists, I think it’s a good idea for those who want extra peace of mind. There are some helpful options out there, like the ones at sundaysinsurance.co.uk. It’s not about making cyclists pay more; it’s about being responsible on the road.
 
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I totally agree that taxing cyclists would be pretty absurd. It seems counterproductive, especially when we should be encouraging more people to ride bikes instead of driving. Bicycles are environmentally friendly, and more cyclists can reduce traffic congestion and pollution.
It is interesting how you see taxes as a form of punishment. Taxes are the primary revenue for governments. Want government to pay for things, they need money. Yes, those things also include roads and trails for cyclists. If both driving and cycling requires the government to spend money, they should both be taxed accordingly. The inventive should come from one method being cheaper than the other, therefore requiring less government spending, leading to less taxes for that mode of travel. By your logic we should exempt all healthcare workers from all taxes, because we need more healthcare workers. Same for farmers, police, air traffic controllers, etc - everyone that society needs should be tax exempt, right? So the only people paying taxes are those who are not useful to society then?
 


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That would be one tiny and poor government, or one horrible society to live in (full of useless people). ?‍♂
One problem we have is the number of people who get big salaries for non productive work, it adds significantly to cost but not value and is one of the big reasons money lost over 95% of its value during my working lifetime.
It is particularly bad here in the UK because we have almost zero wealth creation left and a lot of people being paid more than they actually "earn".

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What's the view on cyclist's surely they should pay road tax along with insurance to help contribute for cycle lanes etc

This is not me trying to have ago at them as I think its good to see so many on the road its just we are in a huge financial mess and all road users should pay for improvements
If the goal is to shift trips to more efficient modes of transportation like cycling, don't start by increasing the cost and complexity of jumping on a bicycle. So no.
 


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I think cyclists should be commended, great way to stay fit & healthy and for those who cycle to work it's one less car on the road. Yes they can be mildly irritating when you get stuck behind them but typically no more than 15-30 seconds and far easier to pass than granny pootling along on a twisty B road
 
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I think cyclists should be commended, great way to stay fit & healthy and for those who cycle to work it's one less car on the road. Yes they can be mildly irritating when you get stuck behind them but typically no more than 15-30 seconds and far easier to pass than granny pootling along on a twisty B road
Ok so do think that millions that have spent on cycle lanes etc should subsidised by other road uses
 

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Ok so do think that millions that have spent on cycle lanes etc should subsidised by other road uses
They absolutely should not have to pay road tax. That would be ludicrous. However, they should all be charged a hefty pavement tax, where most seem to prefer riding around our way!
 

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By your logic we should exempt all healthcare workers from all taxes, because we need more healthcare workers. Same for farmers, police, air traffic controllers, etc - everyone that society needs should be tax exempt, right? So the only people paying taxes are those who are not useful to society then?
That's what sort of happens though isn't it? In the US i believe agriculture, steel, autos, energy producers etc receive subsidies (aka negative taxes) and benefit from trade tariffs? Not saying it's right or wrong, but Governments (globally) do exactly that - reduce the tax burden (or at least increase the profit margin) on sectors they view as useful. That filters into salary levels etc in those industries that would be higher than otherwise - leading to higher net incomes.
 

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That's what sort of happens though isn't it? In the US i believe agriculture, steel, autos, energy producers etc receive subsidies (aka negative taxes) and benefit from trade tariffs? Not saying it's right or wrong, but Governments (globally) do exactly that - reduce the tax burden (or at least increase the profit margin) on sectors they view as useful. That filters into salary levels etc in those industries that would be higher than otherwise - leading to higher net incomes.
What you're talking about is government spending the tax money. If the government buys a fleet of cars from a car manufacturer, it is not the same as exempting them from taxes. Significantly more than half of all spending in the USA is by governments. Technically, since the US government is spending more than they are taking in via taxes (check out the latest US national debt increase rate), by your logic US has a negative tax rate. The government not only is not giving all the taxes back to the people, they are further borrowing at an astonishing rate lately and giving it to the people!
 

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That's what sort of happens though isn't it? In the US i believe agriculture, steel, autos, energy producers etc receive subsidies (aka negative taxes) and benefit from trade tariffs? Not saying it's right or wrong, but Governments (globally) do exactly that - reduce the tax burden (or at least increase the profit margin) on sectors they view as useful. That filters into salary levels etc in those industries that would be higher than otherwise - leading to higher net incomes.
Not necessarily. Higher incomes aren’t always a given across the board. The industries you mentioned are prone to market fluctuations, exposed to nature’s whims, they’re capital intensive, often operating at near loss, and they employ a lot of blue-collar workers. Yes, they get subsidies — these sectors are often strategic to a country’s stability and self-reliance — but that doesn’t automatically mean bigger paychecks for everyone.

The real salary subsidy happens in the private market, where eg VCs use institutional investors’ money (like pension funds) to pay extravagant salaries in hot sectors, often beyond productive or strategic value.
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