GTS, Turbo, Turbo S acceleration

[prj]

I’ll be buying a certified 2022/2023 for ~55% of MSRP and certainly not tuning it. Funny to say (given that I’ve modified and tuned most of the cars I’ve owned over the last 20 years, including a 800hp GTR).

Given that info you'll last a month tops, especially that on these the "tuning" is just removing the artificial limitations rather than running anything out of spec.
GTS will be 2x slower than the Plaid stock.

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[69Mach390]

Given that info you'll last a month tops, especially that on these the "tuning" is just removing the artificial limitations rather than running anything out of spec.
GTS will be 2x slower than the Plaid stock.

I thought I could make it a month, but I’ve only had my car for a week and a half and already ordered the cable needed to start the tuning process.

You just make it waaaay too easy to make these cars faster. And honestly the stock throttle response isn’t quick enough for me vs the Mach E GTPE I came from.

 

[Emm]

I have a 2014 RS6 with an APR tune @ 690 PS / 990 Nm, and a 2023 GTS Sport Turismo with a MAPEV tune @ 800 PS / 910 NM. Both are very fast cars, but for me personally even these are not fast enough to provide any lasting adrenaline shock (in terms of instant blinding acceleration; on the track they are of course both too fast for me in the sense that I'm no pro and would probably easily be passed by a much better driver in a simple GTI :–).

But what really sets the Taycan GTS out is the car's impressive handling characteristics, it's the best car I've ever had in total, and in terms of pure fun even on par with the 2021 Cayman GTS 4.0 PDK with an APR tune @ 470 PS / 470 NM that I had before the Taycan, which I think speaks volumes.

Given that you're used to the Plaid, I'd get a pre-facelift GTS and then the MAPEV tune; still not as fast as the Plaid in a straight line, but probably way more rewarding to drive.

 

[kempez]

If you go post-2023, you are a lot more likely to get a more solid car IMO

 

[prj]

If you go post-2023, you are a lot more likely to get a more solid car IMO

Based on what? There isn't anything better on a 2023 car than on a 2020.
Both have battery and heater issues.
The battery issues got fixed very late 2023, so all those are 2024MY cars...

 

[kempez]

Based on what? There isn't anything better on a 2023 car than on a 2020.
Both have battery and heater issues.
The battery issues got fixed very late 2023, so all those are 2024MY cars...

If you're looking at cars that have taken a depreciation hit and not a J1.2, then the MY23 (and above), had a lot of cumulative changes to OTA, infotainment, range and software that the model years before it didn't have. The small tweaks through 20/21/22 all added up, imo. Plus you can get the fancy roof at a large discount if you look properly

 

[prj]

If you're looking at cars that have taken a depreciation hit and not a J1.2, then the MY23 (and above), had a lot of cumulative changes to OTA, infotainment, range and software that the model years before it didn't have.

Please detail these changes exactly.
Because infotainment and OTAFC wise a 2020 and 2023 are identical.
There have not been any range improvements either - not sure where you are taking that from. Batteries and motors are the same. Testing methodology might have changed and the tyres, but there have been no changes to the powertrain.

The only difference is the vario roof in 2023, which is useless anyway. All the other changes came with J1.2 (range, new 5G combox, new PCM software and so on).
MY24 had SFD2 protection implemented in the gateway and MY24 had the battery issues solved already from factory, but not MY23.

Literally the only thing you're getting on a 2020 vs 2023 car is 3 more years of battery warranty.

 

[kempez]

This is according to Porsche press releases and some of the old MY forum threads on here. I cba looking them up but feel free to do so

Not quite sure why you’re so aggressive about this, but I do know I personally wouldn’t go for anything below an MY23 model and would personally maybe wait on MY24 to be cheaper if pre-J1.2 is a preference. And this is my opinion

Some cell technology changes too from original 2020 models. Had this saved somewhere on my files though.

 

[prj]

This is according to Porsche press releases and some of the old MY forum threads on here. I cba looking them up but feel free to do so

You are claiming something bogus, so the onus is on you to provide proof.

The "range improvements" came to all the older cars because they were part of the "UPdate".
Same goes for OTA and PCM updates - all the older cars got updated with the campaign.

Some cell technology changes too from original 2020 models. Had this saved somewhere on my files though.

This is irrelevant to range and to the fault in the batteries with the tab attachment, which is causing the issues. That only got fixed late 2023.

I do know I personally wouldn’t go for anything below an MY23 model and would personally maybe wait on MY24 to be cheaper if pre-J1.2 is a preference. And this is my opinion

So:
1. Was range improved? Yes, on all the cars incl. the 2020, as it was a software update
2. Was the battery fixed? No, only for late MY2024. The 2021 or 2022 is not any better, as the same defect is present. ARB6 recall even includes early MY2024 VINs. Change of chemistry just means cell balancing requirements changed, so they could not mix and match the different modules, and during battery replacement they needed to reprogram the BMS, which is completely normal, but did not result in any improvements.
3. Were there Infotainment and OTA updates? Yes, they got applied to all the older cars as part of the big update campaign.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ge-software-update-2023-model-year-29112.html

regardless of vehicle age, engine, and body, all model variants can be brought up to the status of the 2023 model year with a software update.

You are free to prefer anything you like, but spreading misinformation isn't it. The hardware from 2020-2024 is pretty much identical, you are not more or less likely to have issues with the car (except for the last MY2024 models, where there isn't the ARB6 recall anymore).

 

[69Mach390]

You are claiming something bogus, so the onus is on you to provide proof.

The "range improvements" came to all the older cars because they were part of the "UPdate".
Same goes for OTA and PCM updates - all the older cars got updated with the campaign.


This is irrelevant to range and to the fault in the batteries with the tab attachment, which is causing the issues. That only got fixed late 2023.



So:
1. Was range improved? Yes, on all the cars incl. the 2020, as it was a software update
2. Was the battery fixed? No, only for late MY2024. The 2021 or 2022 is not any better, as the same defect is present. ARB6 recall even includes early MY2024 VINs. Change of chemistry just means cell balancing requirements changed, so they could not mix and match the different modules, and during battery replacement they needed to reprogram the BMS, which is completely normal, but did not result in any improvements.
3. Were there Infotainment and OTA updates? Yes, they got applied to all the older cars as part of the big update campaign.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/202...ge-software-update-2023-model-year-29112.html

regardless of vehicle age, engine, and body, all model variants can be brought up to the status of the 2023 model year with a software update.

You are free to prefer anything you like, but spreading misinformation isn't it. The hardware from 2020-2024 is pretty much identical, you are not more or less likely to have issues with the car (except for the last MY2024 models, where there isn't the ARB6 recall anymore).

Ok now I’m curious.

What was the cutoff date for the battery fix for model year 2024 models?

My 2024 4S has a production date of Oct 13, 2023.

Edit: I think I found the answer- vehicles produced after 04.03.2024 are not subject to the recall:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V732-8320.PDF

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