PCA - EV Mythbusting

[questionmillennium]

One interesting mention in this video is at the 6:10 minute mark about there being a major update coming to all Taycans ever made

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[chun]

It's just a car club. There's close to 0 chance they would have any info on software updates, and leak the release window just like that...

A big software update has been rumored since MY25 was announced, and it never came, doubt it ever will.

Hell, they're not even allowing MY25 cars to have plug&charge on tesla chargers, and it's literally a certificate update. They are desperate to find any differentiating criteria for new Manufacturing Years to push people over the edge to get the newest one... and it seems to be software only

 

[chun]

It's also a lot of grossly misrepresented info in there, so I would take everything with a big ass grain of salt.

Replacing cells in the taycan is just as hard as in a tesla, it's just that they are choosing not to do it in services, and instead replace whole modules.

He also interprets that having 23 modules replaced out of 33 by the end of the 8 year warranty is great, because it's almost a new battery. Well, in fact it's horrible, because all it does is show that it's unreliable AF, and you're still left with 10 modules that will break outside the warranty - mandated by EU, not from porsche's big heart.

The point about the charging planner also completely ignores that it's vastly different between my20-24; my25 and my26 cars, with a lot more filters and performance, because shockingly... only newest cars get the newest software Not to mention that in europe it's been broken for 8 months.

A good point in there about the 800V architecture, that would in theory allow for better batteries to be put in the car to improve performance slightly... but it would require an unlocked BMS, which porsche won't provide

The info in there is good for marketing purposes only really, or for folks that are just getting into their first EV and need some encouragement.

 

[questionmillennium]

It's also a lot of grossly misrepresented info in there, so I would take everything with a big ass grain of salt.

Replacing cells in the taycan is just as hard as in a tesla, it's just that they are choosing not to do it in services, and instead replace whole modules.

He also interprets that having 23 modules replaced out of 33 by the end of the 8 year warranty is great, because it's almost a new battery. Well, in fact it's horrible, because all it does is show that it's unreliable AF, and you're still left with 10 modules that will break outside the warranty - mandated by EU, not from porsche's big heart.

Yeah I get what he was trying to say about new batteries replacing faulty ones almost giving you a new battery overall, but that message is the exact opposite of what non-EV prospective customers want to hear.

 

[chun]

Yeah I get what he was trying to say about new batteries replacing faulty ones almost giving you a new battery overall, but that message is the exact opposite of what non-EV prospective customers want to hear.

Also kind of ignores that, as per his words, a fix takes a few weeks... and he listed 8 fixes in 8 years; that's basically 6-8 months without the car
Spinning something so obviously horrible in a positive way is definitely a nice skill to have, definitely some marketing experience in his life

 

[questionmillennium]

Still, I hope he’s correct about an update coming in the Fall. Even if the update just adds some like watching videos I would be cool with that

 

[chun]

I hope he is right also; but more than likely it's just bad faith rumors.

If Porsche had anything in the pipeline, they would have informed dealers to calm the unrest and also to avoid spending the millions they are paying to services right now in europe due to people brining their cars to service every few weeks because of navigation issues/charging planner issues.

If anything was in the pipeline dealers would have said: "known issues, updated coming in september, sorry for the trouble, here's 6 months of connect/warranty/a mug" ... but that's not what's happening. So unlikely there's any update in the pipeline. But that's just my opinion.

 

[freinando]

He also interprets that having 23 modules replaced out of 33 by the end of the 8 year warranty is great, because it's almost a new battery. Well, in fact it's horrible, because all it does is show that it's unreliable AF, and you're still left with 10 modules that will break outside the warranty - mandated by EU, not from porsche's big heart.

I lmao so hard when I saw this. Like, is he for real? Telling people having battery issues every 2 years is great because you end up with an almost new battery by the 8th year?

 

[DerekS]

One interesting mention in this video is at the 6:10 minute mark about there being a major update coming to all Taycans ever made

This guy totally lost me at the “battery lifecycle” slide.
If a car sent me to the shop every two years, for several weeks, due to battery faults…I’d be out.

 

[Fun TC Driving]

That there will be major 2027 Taycan software changes was first reported in a TheDrive article shared in a separate thread here ( https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/2027-taycan-possible-software-and-hardware-updates.32329/), in which TheDrive also said that the 2027 Taycans will be not only be getting software changes but also getting a virtual PDK trans with simulated gear sound and torque changes (as the Hyundai Ionic 5N’s now have). The Drive reported that all of these changes were shared last November in Porsche’s annual dealership rep meeting.

 

[chun]

That there will be major 2027 Taycan software changes was first reported in a TheDrive article shared in a separate thread here ( https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/2027-taycan-possible-software-and-hardware-updates.32329/), in which TheDrive also said that the 2027 Taycans will be not only be getting software changes but also getting a virtual PDK trans with simulated gear sound and torque changes (as the Hyundai Ionic 5N’s now have). The Drive reported that all of these changes were shared last November in Porsche’s annual dealership rep meeting.

A software update to the 2027 Taycan is expected; a software update that applies to all Taycan years is just rumours. There’s a difference there

 

[ct14garage]

Replacing cells in the taycan is just as hard as in a tesla, it's just that they are choosing not to do it in services, and instead replace whole modules.

Well, what he is talking about boils down to two philosophies...

Taycan battery is CTM (Cell to Module) type. Because Taycan uses pouch cell there is no other way really. 6 pairs of cells totalling 12 cells make up 1 module. Either 33 or 29 modules make up one battery (33x12= 396 cells or 29x12 = 348 cells). When one single cell dies you cannot replace it and you can only replace the whole module which contains it.

Tesla battery is CTB (Cell to Body) type. Because they use prismatic batteries there are no module, each cell mounted directly onto the battery's body with a thermal interface in between. When one single cell dies you can replace it standalone.


So depending on which way you look at it, for me, Taycan is way easier to service because you just replace the failed module with very little risks and be done with it. Whereas in Tesla although you can replace individual cells you have to cut your way to them........
But his way of looking at it is that in Taycan you can't even change a single failed cell so that's bad for him.

 

[Tooney]

@Techwizard100

 

[Techwizard100]

This guy totally lost me at the “battery lifecycle” slide.
If a car sent me to the shop every two years, for several weeks, due to battery faults…I’d be out.

That was a for-instance, worst case scenario. Not expected experience. Come on now.

 

[Techwizard100]

It's just a car club. There's close to 0 chance they would have any info on software updates, and leak the release window just like that...

A big software update has been rumored since MY25 was announced, and it never came, doubt it ever will.

Hell, they're not even allowing MY25 cars to have plug&charge on tesla chargers, and it's literally a certificate update. They are desperate to find any differentiating criteria for new Manufacturing Years to push people over the edge to get the newest one... and it seems to be software only

You’re right just a car club. 170,000 porsche owners.

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