2024 Model 3 Performance

[Watchesandburgers]

Long time Tesla Model S owner here, now upgraded to a Taycan GTS. Before my switch I drove the new Model S and Lucid Air Touring sedan. I'm surprised to see @DerekS comparing the Taycan to the Model 3, as they are in vastly different price brackets, even comparing the most expensive Model 3 and the least expensive Taycan RWD. My thoughts:
1. The Model 3, if you're definitely going that way, is a great "transportation appliance." I found the interior cheap, the lack of a driver's screen annoying, and the "stalkless" user experience somewhere between annoying and dangerous.
2. The Model S, which is more price and size comparable to Taycan, is nicer inside than the Model 3, but still not at the level of the Porsche. And in both Tesla cases, you're likely to lose your car in a sea of Teslas in any given parking lot, especially in California.
3. The Lucid Air offers a downright amazing interior, packaging, range, and driving experience. The risk is, "Will the company survive?" Even with Saudi Wealth Fund being the major shareholder.
4. We all know the Taycan well. It's a fantastic car. Fit & finish is better than any of the others mentioned here. Performance and handling is on-par or better in all cases. More expensive, surely, but like many people in this thread have said, car buying isn't a totally logical process.

IMHO, if you can afford it, Taycan is a much better car so in many ways. If you need more room or a larger vehicle, drive the Lucid Air and see if you can deal with some of the software foibles. If you want the least expensive car, get the Tesla. As always, YMMV.

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[fullmetalbaal]

No just with the Taycan. All my other Porsches have been fantastic. Which is a shame as it has really soured my impression of the brand lately. The absorbent price increases have also put me off the brand. None of the new cars are worth the price to me anymore outside the GT4RS and Spyder RS.

100% this.
I've had 911 etc. before, and while not perfect (looking at you, 12v battery!) the reliability was acceptable. The Taycan is just a mess - and contrary to my expectation they haven't really sorted it out over the last few years. I've had more recalls on this car than on all Porsche before combined - and some of them were real safety recalls...

 

[Caraholic]

Heck I’ve had more recalls and dealers visits/shop time. Then all my prior 40+ cars combined and some of them were/are Italian.

 

[DerekS]

Welp, we can close this thread.
For personal reasons I won't be doing any further business with Tesla.

Additionally, I'm just going to keep my Taycan.

I doubt I will be a day one buyer on the E-Boxster though, now. Instead I will wait for year two or three and buy one for half off, given my Taycan experience.

 

[Uknown]

Welp, we can close this thread.
For personal reasons I won't be doing any further business with Tesla.

Additionally, I'm just going to keep my Taycan.

I doubt I will be a day one buyer on the E-Boxster though, now. Instead I will wait for year two or three and buy one for half off, given my Taycan experience.

I was very very close to ordering a MY25 Taycan but the latest threads I am just holding onto my current Taycan. It has 55k miles, and I can still get 240 miles on road trips. I don’t want to jinx it but EA has been 240-260 on charge sessions and even though I have a MY20 my sessions are still free. I barely have time to get a coffee and go to the bathroom before the session has added enough to move on.


That said it goes in to get wiring harness replaced in August for the sporadic camera loss.

 

[DerekS]

I was very very close to ordering a MY25 Taycan but the latest threads I am just holding onto my current Taycan. It has 55k miles, and I can still get 240 miles on road trips. I don’t want to jinx it but EA has been 240-260 on charge sessions and even though I have a MY20 my sessions are still free. I barely have time to get a coffee and go to the bathroom before the session has added enough to move on.


That said it goes in to get wiring harness replaced in August for the sporadic camera loss.

At 55K miles that's got to be close to the bottom of the depreciation curve, right?
THere's got to be a price floor somewhere, because at a certain price people will buy it "because, Porsche."

 

[Uknown]

At 55K miles that's got to be close to the bottom of the depreciation curve, right?
THere's got to be a price floor somewhere, because at a certain price people will buy it "because, Porsche."

I hope so . But at this time I am not super keen on selling. I am not exactly clear how I dodged ARA 4 and ARA5, but maybe it is one of the few lucky Taycans.. don’t want to risk getting an unlucky one.

 

[Donlam]

Welp, we can close this thread.
For personal reasons I won't be doing any further business with Tesla.

Additionally, I'm just going to keep my Taycan.

I doubt I will be a day one buyer on the E-Boxster though, now. Instead I will wait for year two or three and buy one for half off, given my Taycan experience.

Taycan -> e-Boxster ? I will keep mine for couple years till it has arrived.

 

[whitex]

I’ve tried to find it. It does put the seat back a little but not enough, and does nothing with the wheel.

My 2023 Taycan Turbo CT retracts the seats and steering column whenever I unlock the car (or whenever I turn the car off with the OFF button and open the door). I never figured out how to set how far it goes. During my initial trip home from the dealer (3,500 miles) I did at one point somehow set the retracting of the seat to be in the laying down position (when I opened the car, the seat moved back and the back of the seat went horizontal) but I never figured out how I set it (probably accidentally did it during one of my many charging stops taking a nap).

 

[hhf2]

So after the shocking thread about a shallow dent causing a 72k battery repair, I am really not sure about getting another Porsche EV. In fact I’m strongly considering selling the one I’ve got.

My wife has been driving a Model 3 since 2018, and after 120K happy miles we upgraded to the 2024 model which I quite like. I’ve been driving both cars and thinking about potentially getting a Model 3 Performance.

Here are the various factors I’m considering.

Feature	Porsche	Tesla	Winner
Styling/appearance	The Taycan looks great as all Porsches do. It has Porsche cachet.	The Tesla is also a very attractive car, but it’s also a ubiquitous one. They are so popular they are as common and basic as a Camry.	Porsche
Driving experience	The Taycan drives like a proper Porsche, it feels great, responsive, and controllable.	The Tesla, especially the 2024 model, has greatly improved driving dynamics. The handling is very good and the upgraded model is less bouncy than the previous generation. However, it has the one-pedal driving where the car brakes when you lift off the accelerator. I know Tesla people love this but I do not.	Porsche
Keyless entry	Porsche has a nice looking painted keyfob that must go in your pocket. The car unlocks when you approach, but must be manually locked by clicking the keyfob or touching the door handle.	Tesla lets you use your phone as a key which is outstanding. We always have our phones! It uses the phone to identify the driver, move the seats/mirrors/wheel. The car unlocks when you approach and locks when you walk away. It’s seamless.	Tesla
Infotainment system	The Porsche PCM has been pretty poor for me. Often the music will just stop playing which has become a running joke for us. It does have carplay, but I find I don’t like using it for anything but iMessage. When I try to stream music on Carplay from Apple Music as a backup for the PCM, it sometimes “skips” like an old CD player.	The infotainment system is rich and robust. I’ve noticed no issues with music playback. It does not have Carplay, but it does have a system for reading your texts and allowing voice replies. There are many extras such as streaming services while parked, and even a web browser.	Tesla
Navigation system	Porsche’s navigation system is clunky but serviceable. It doesn’t handle long distance trips well and sometimes requires breaking a long trip up into smaller ones. The callouts are fine, and it does a good job of making sure charging stops are weaved into the trip, including recalculating when excess consumption changes the plan. I don’t know why it always tells me “caution: the destination is a restricted access area” which is also now a running joke for us.	Tesla really thought their nav system through. They made navigation not a secondary feature, but the primary action you take first thing when getting in the car. This makes sense! It’s fast, responsive, easy to understand and very good at lookups. No notes.	Tesla
Ingress/Egress	Getting in and out of the Taycan is quite a chore for me. I‘m tall and also have a hip issue. I have to move the wheel all the way forward and seat all the way backward, something the car will not do for me automatically. I have to set different memory presets for driving and exiting, and manually hold the buttons every single time.	The Tesla handles this much better. When I put the car in park the wheel and seat move to my desired exit positions, and they automatically move to driving position. I really wish my Taycan would do this!	Tesla
Interior	The Porsche interior is minimal but well presented. I like having “something” on the dash in my cars, and I mostly like the way they’ve done the e-dash. Fit and finish is quality. It mostly looks like it should for a car of this price.	The Tesla is starkly minimalist to a fault. There is no dash requiring looking to the side for info like speed, destination etc. I don’t hate this, but I don’t love it.	Porsche
Range	I get around 200 miles on the Taycan at 85%.	The Tesla gets over 250 miles at 80%. It also seems to last longer real-world due to the forced regen of one-pedal driving.	Tesla
Charging network	Electrocute America is serviceable but deeply flawed. I’ve never been left stranded, but I’ve certainly had sub-par charging experiences. Broken chargers, under-performing chargers, slow-charging vehicles hogging high-speed chargers are the norm. But when the stars align - unused 350kW unit working correctly, prewarmed battery, low SoC - the Taycan is a charging monster.	Tesla’s network may not be as fast as EA but they make up for it with reliability and availability. I made a long road trip in the Taycan, then repeated it with the Tesla, and found Tesla‘s route had fewer charging stops, miles, and a more direct route overall. Charging a Tesla is a non-event. It just works.	Tesla

I think it really comes down to “what for”.
As a daily driver my 2019 Tesla M3DMP is the superior car to my 2021 Taycan RWD PB+.
But when I walk out the door and get to pick one or the other for a longer ride, the Taycan takes it 9 out of 10 (10th being that one snowy day I want AWD).
One of the two is a fantastic car, the other one a sexy beast.
So like in marriage, it’s beyond pros and cons, but imho comes down to “what for” ?

 

[whitex]

Tesla buying experience: all handled online like buying anything from Amazon. The only shenanigan they pull is trying to take “fuel savings” off the price, but you can shut that off. It’s absolutely painless.

I bought 4 new Teslas. Yes, buying experience definitely better, though one huge drawback for Tesla - their wordsmithing and fine printing. For example, I bought a Model S P85D which had in its official specs "Motor power 691hp". After people like me noticed the car was not producing anywhere near that much power, we were told that there is an OTA update coming for "highway passing speeds power". Two years later, a lawsuit in Europe forced Tesla to admit there is a fuse in the battery which limits the power that can be drawn from it. Tesla finally admitted P85D only produced 463hp (would need a 50% power increase to reach originally advertised numbers when stars and the moon align just right) - Tesla official response to customers was "we didn't lie, the motors are in fact capable of 691hp, just not with this battery in this car". Well, that was their final response on the issue, their initial response by their CTO was that "EV horsepower is special, different" and that 463hp by an electric motor is the same as 691hp by an ICE motor. By the time they finally admitted the truth, they didn't care so much to admit that as they were already selling P100D, so admitting P85D's were nowhere near the specs didn't hurt sales. I'm sure people who paid for Full Self Driving in 2016 have some complaints about Tesla promises too (look for a video Tesla had on their website, showing the car driving all by itself, with a title screen stating the human behind the wheel is just for legal reasons - proven to be a complete fake video years later), Tesla of course has fine print to lean on there too. Then there are the disappearing features, they are there when you buy the car, gone after some OTA, sometimes only for few months, other times forever.

Tesla service: scheduled easily online via the app. Most issues can be handled at your home or work via mobile service. Costs are reasonable in comparison to Porsche. Even bodywork is better as some repairs can be handled by installing new factory painted parts.

Mobile service was amazing during my decade of Tesla experience. I have however noticed a trend Elon borrowed from dealers towards the end of my ownership experience. Whenever I booked service, they would automatically add services to the quote even though I didn't ask for, like $50 tire rotation and $75 new wiper blades. Yes, they would remove those from the quote when I rejected the original quote and asked to remove those, but perhaps most people would not read the quote line by line to realize that these were added. Trying to sneak in services is one trick I never liked from the dealers, so that left some bad taste in my mouth on last couple of services. Other things that annoyed me about Tesla were things like refusing warranty coverage for a less than one year old Model S which had its screen yellow (Tesla answer was "screen is still readable, normal wear and tear item, repair costs $2K if you want to pay for it) or their infotainment wearing out its emmc memory for which they tried charging me $3,000 (for an $8 part which broke) or $700 for a door handle which has a $2 part broken - I fixed both myself, the infotainment $8 part eventually became a free recall replacement, but it was $3K service when mine died.

So bottom line is every brand has its issues. In the end you have to pick the set of issues you are willing to live with.

 

[Redhot2474]

Welp, we can close this thread.
For personal reasons I won't be doing any further business with Tesla.

Additionally, I'm just going to keep my Taycan.

I doubt I will be a day one buyer on the E-Boxster though, now. Instead I will wait for year two or three and buy one for half off, given my Taycan experience.

Exactly, you’re even more wise since you first posted this

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