Battery Technology

[FutureEV08]

It's my understanding that EV battery tech is rapidly evolving. In the next few years technology advancements could result in significant weight reductions, performance / range increases, and reduced costs.

For the members that have already purchased a Taycan, or are actively looking, how concerned are you? Will your $150K Taycan depreciate much more than an ICE Porsche. Will you be able to buy a superior Taycan in 2-3 years for same or even less money. Will your 4,500 pound Taycan seem bloated if new battery tech results in a 500 pound weight reduction? Will your 250 mile range seem overly restrictive if new battery tech results in a 500 mile range?

Between technology advances and competition things are going to get very interesting.

I realize that nobody knows for sure what will happen - but what are reasonable assumptions. I am trying to justify my desire to jump into a new Taycan today vs waiting 2-3 years.

Looking for knowledgeable opinions.

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[Dabz]

Did people buy personal computers when processor technology was doubling every 18-24 months? Yes, because we needed, enjoyed and appreciated PCs. Same thing with EVs and technology

 

[W1NGE]

The next step will be larger capacity as per the Macan and Cayenne EV - 100kW gross up from 93kW. No significant tech change.

Solid state is probably where it's headed but my guess is 2027 earliest with Nissan possibly out first with it. These will be really high density, low weight and much higher capacity.

Perhaps Porsche have thought of the impact on residuals and have a plan to offer a paid for upgrade to the new battery tech when it arrives - a long shot but who knows!

 

[Wakesurfer]

It's my understanding that EV battery tech is rapidly evolving. In the next few years technology advancements could result in significant weight reductions, performance / range increases, and reduced costs.

For the members that have already purchased a Taycan, or are actively looking, how concerned are you? Will your $150K Taycan depreciate much more than an ICE Porsche. Will you be able to buy a superior Taycan in 2-3 years for same or even less money. Will your 4,500 pound Taycan seem bloated if new battery tech results in a 500 pound weight reduction? Will your 250 mile range seem overly restrictive if new battery tech results in a 500 mile range?

Between technology advances and competition things are going to get very interesting.

I realize that nobody knows for sure what will happen - but what are reasonable assumptions. I am trying to justify my desire to jump into a new Taycan today vs waiting 2-3 years.

Looking for knowledgeable opinions.

Hell, I might be dead by then! ? Seriously, when you purchase a car like this anything can happen. Yes, I do think that things will change/improve over time and then, just like now, I will have the choice to purchase (or not) something from the same manufacturer, a different manufacturer, and/or maybe not even an EV. I purchased my Taycan with pretty much no concern to what the future holds. I knew that it would be a great driving machine, a great looking vehicle, and that is what I have today. And if something better comes up in the future, put me in line.

 

[Ompre]

Taycan will be ever Porsche first electric EV. I think Collectors will keep the price high.

 

[j.w.s]

It's my understanding that EV battery tech is rapidly evolving. In the next few years technology advancements could result in significant weight reductions, performance / range increases, and reduced costs.

For the members that have already purchased a Taycan, or are actively looking, how concerned are you? Will your $150K Taycan depreciate much more than an ICE Porsche. Will you be able to buy a superior Taycan in 2-3 years for same or even less money. Will your 4,500 pound Taycan seem bloated if new battery tech results in a 500 pound weight reduction? Will your 250 mile range seem overly restrictive if new battery tech results in a 500 mile range?

Between technology advances and competition things are going to get very interesting.

I realize that nobody knows for sure what will happen - but what are reasonable assumptions. I am trying to justify my desire to jump into a new Taycan today vs waiting 2-3 years.

Looking for knowledgeable opinions.

As a relatively "early" performance EV, I assume that my Taycan will, by say 2026-2028, be eclipsed by new models with far better batteries, lighter weight, and so on. But then agan, in 2027 it'll still look like a Taycan and drive like a Taycan, which is pretty awesome. I'll take the depreciation in exchange for being able to drive a Taycan from now until then.

My previous car was a 2011 Jaguar XKR175 with electronics that felt even older than its age. It was say 15 years behind the competition in terms of navigation, touchscreens, etc. But, then again, it looked like an XKR, drove like an XKR, and made me smile every time I drove it. So it was "obsolete" on paper but not at all obsolete in actual use. I suspect or at least hope that the Taycan will fare the same, so that I can skip a generation or two and keep it until maybe 2030.

 

[laua]

I thought this was insightful. I doubt anything will come out of this in the next 5 years but maybe 10, 20-30 years down the line, Taycans might see some improved battery tech? Like how Porsche releases new infotainment for 997s and 996s?

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/porsche-battery-repairability-reusability-sustainability/

 

[Btf49]

The analogy of this being a pc on wheels need to go away. In 10 years this car will still be able to get you from A to B in style. Sure range might be limited to new offerings, but no way does that hinder how the Taycan will still be able to drive. This isn’t a smart phone where you need apps to load faster or camera to take 100mpx images…

 

[Fall7St8nd]

I thought this was insightful. I doubt anything will come out of this in the next 5 years but maybe 10, 20-30 years down the line, Taycans might see some improved battery tech? Like how Porsche releases new infotainment for 997s and 996s?

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/porsche-battery-repairability-reusability-sustainability/

Given the pouch (flexible) cell design of the Taycan battery, it would be great if newer, future battery tech could also be retrofitted into this Gen1 modular case... for a fee of course. The fact that the Taycan was also built with 800v architecture does make me think Porsche was thinking for the longterm, but we'll have to wait and see over time.

 

[Fall7St8nd]

The analogy of this being a pc on wheels need to go away. In 10 years this car will still be able to get you from A to B in style. Sure range might be limited to new offerings, but no way does that hinder how the Taycan will still be able to drive. This isn’t a smart phone where you need apps to load faster or camera to take 100mpx images…

I agree that the PC analogy is not as applicable... although, with over-the-air software updates, there will be a point where some EV's won't be able to take new features, given the likely need for increased processing power / complexity.

I've also thought of the Taycan using the iPod analogy. I still have some of the early generation devices that charge just fine (don't last nearly as long as today's iPhone) and play music as intended. I anticipate the same enjoyment from the Taycan for many years.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

Taycan will be ever Porsche first electric EV. I think Collectors will keep the price high.

100k units delivered over the first 3 years. Maybe 2-3 of them will ascend to collector status - those with 1-200 miles, and kept in A/C environments with all the original screen protectors in place.

The aircooled models became collectibles because they stopped making them (that, and because people are mad) - not because they were the first gen.

 

[WasserGKuehlt]

I am trying to justify my desire to jump into a new Taycan today vs waiting 2-3 years.

How's this for a justification: in 2-3 years you can repost the same question, with slightly tweaked numbers, asking if you should wait for another 2-3 years.

Looking for knowledgeable opinions.

Oh. Sorry, nvm then.

 

[Fish Fingers]

How's this for a justification: in 2-3 years you can repost the same question, with slightly tweaked numbers, asking if you should wait for another 2-3 years.

Exactly.

Its like saying I nearly bought a smart phone when they first came out, but am waiting until they 'peak'.

In the meantime I have spent the last 15 years using an old Nokia dumb phone and am still waiting for that perfect moment to jump in.....

 

[bsclywilly]

A reasonable assumption is when new battery tech comes out, people will then be concerned about it’s reliability and ask if they should wait another 2-3 years to see how those new batteries fair.

I also assume that EVs are not going to get much lighter with higher density batteries. There is a bit of an unreasonable desire for more range so we’re going to see the same driving performance but more range and fast, flatter charging curves.

 

[Crazymind]

After 3 years of driving electric cars I think going forward battery size will be irrelevant if more charging points will be available.

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