We have a 100A panel, the charger is 35A, we have a Model Y and theTaycan. No problems with having only 100A, we don't dry clothes at night nor use the oven. Even if AC comes on, there is so little usage at night that it never causes an issue.
Quick note that everyone in Europe/UK has 220/240, since that's the electricity standard (no 110/120).
Well maybe in the Netherlands it may be unusual, but that is not Europe. You seem to have a very high pricing scheme for 3 phase power. No such thing in France.
Well maybe in the Netherlands it may be unusual, but that is not Europe. You seem to have a very high pricing scheme for 3 phase power. No such thing in France.
Here in France it is quite common to have 63 amp connection with 3 phase. It is quite common to run 22kW t home if the car can take it.
22 kW Is no problem at all at home. Around where I live we have a hell of a lot of 22 kW chargers AC and actually even higher power. See below.
It is quite nice to have that power available when you are going for a meal at lunchtime or in the evening.
We recently visited friends in Stockholm city centre and there they had a hell of a lot of 22 kW chargers along the streets. I counted to at least 40 - 50 places with parking within about 300 meters radius.
So Europe has home charging as well as a lot of public charging at 22 kW.
That makes sense. In the US I don’t even bother to charge at shopping malls where they only a have 6-10 5.5Kw to 6Kw chargers for their customers for 2 hours max so I can only put 11 -12 Kw in my vehicle which is just a waste of time waiting for a charger to free up so I can get another 25 to 30 miles of range.Well maybe in the Netherlands it may be unusual, but that is not Europe. You seem to have a very high pricing scheme for 3 phase power. No such thing in France.
Here in France it is quite common to have 63 amp connection with 3 phase. It is quite common to run 22kW t home if the car can take it.
22 kW Is no problem at all at home. Around where I live we have a hell of a lot of 22 kW chargers AC and actually even higher power. See below.
It is quite nice to have that power available when you are going for a meal at lunchtime or in the evening.
We recently visited friends in Stockholm city centre and there they had a hell of a lot of 22 kW chargers along the streets. I counted to at least 40 - 50 places with parking within about 300 meters radius.
So Europe has home charging as well as a lot of public charging at 22 kW.
Ok, to use your own example. For someone who paid for the 22kW Porsche OBC, then paid £15,000 to install a 22kW EVSE at one of their locations because that is what their usecase calls for (e.g. they go to that location, work there for 3 hrs, go back, but need the 22kW to charge enough to get back home, and cannot stay more than 3hr at the destination because they need to make a ferry connection which doesn't run at night). What would be a reasonable compensation for Porsche halving the charging performance and killing the above usecase? Price of 22kW OBC? OBC+£15,000 install costs, or perhaps a duplicate Taycan so the person can have one parked each each end charging slow, then switch which one they are driving? Or maybe Porsche should just cover the cost of 22kW DC charger installation for every location where this person ever charges at 22kW?
Appropriate refund needs to address the impact, not the cost of a part. A hyperbolic example, Porsche cannot just disable both motors in the Taycan, and say the appropriate refund is just the cost of the motors, because it kills the usecase of driving (though I'm sure there would be people who use their Porsches as garage decorations who would say motors are not really needed by them
).
If the original filling took 4hrs and new one takes 8hrs, that is a significant impact if you only have 4hr to fill. Most common real life usecase could be someone who has different electricity rates at different times, and having to charge longer increases their cost. A less common, but still possible is a sales person who is now losing hours every day to longer charging, therefore losing income.
There, I fixed it for you. You are looking only at your own usecase, and lack imagination to conceive another other way people use their cars. As hard as it may be for you to believe it, not everyone only charges overnight.
Why would such such proof be required? If Porsche was to disable the front motor on a Taycan which was bought with this option, would you have to prove in court that you in fact are using all motors every day and rear-wheel-drive Taycan would not get you where you need to go, in order to get compensation higher than the cost of the front motor part?
There are many use cases where a faster charging during hours with low rates would benefit the owner a lot. .
All options depreciate to zero within 3-5 years. A 4 year old base Turbo S is worth more as a tradein than a 4 year old 4S with options that made its MSRP higher than the Turbo S. Such is the nature of car trade. So what? It doesn’t mean the options are not worth anything to the original owner who ordered it, or even people who bought the car used (how would people react if they took their used car in for service, and dealer replaced leather seats with cloth, then told them leather wasn't worth anything because it was a used car).
