Help! Calling ex Tesla Model 3 owners

[feye]

I get a kick out of some Porsche owners who feel an obligation to denigrate all other cars to bootstrap their decision to spend the dough on the Porsche.

Makes no sense, people can buy a new Porsche usually don't have money problems - at least over here.

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[artdept]

Makes no sense, people can buy a new Porsche usually don't have money problems - at least over here.

to be fair he did not say all porsche owners.

 

[feye]

One pedal driving is both faster and more efficient then using the traditional ICE form of breaking and accelerating.

Fanboy fantasy - the exact opposite is true!

The coasting feature in the Taycan is superior in terms of ease, driving style and consumption: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/posts/64346

When I drive my MS90D I am annoyed that I cannot just let go and let the car coast. So finding the exact point, where I don't recoup nor accelerate is ridiculous hard work.

 

[artdept]

When I drive my MS90D I am annoyed that I cannot just let go and let the car coast. So finding the exact point, where I don't recoup nor accelerate is ridiculous hard work.

true.
this is a nice thing about the drive mode options in the taycan and even nicer if you have drive mode selector on the steering wheel. just wished it had a way to customize the regenerative braking settings

 

[Bognar67]

Fanboy fantasy - the exact opposite is true!

The coasting feature in the Taycan is superior in terms of ease, driving style and consumption: https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/posts/64346

When I drive my MS90D I am annoyed that I cannot just let go and let the car coast. So finding the exact point, where I don't recoup nor accelerate is ridiculous hard work.

Be polite man! Do not do this "fanboy fantasy" stuff please.

 

[Jhenson29]

I get a kick out of some Porsche owners who feel an obligation to denigrate all other cars to bootstrap their decision to spend the dough on the Porsche.

to be fair he did not say all porsche owners.

@Helixer @artdept

lol, who is this mythical person?

I’m not sure I’ve run across them…

I assume someone in the thread given the context, but I don’t see it. ?‍

 

[Helixer]

@Helixer @artdept

lol, who is this mythical person?

I’m not sure I’ve run across them…

I assume someone in the thread given the context, but I don’t see it. ?‍

 

[Rainforest]

It is actually one more thing to focus on: to coast you have to keep your foot on the "gas" pedal at a level that precisely matches the speed you want to coast at. This feels awkward. With the Porsche you just rest your foot comfortably on the floor, hit the "brakes" whenever you want to slow down.



Braking is faster to the point that it becomes annoying. As soon as you lift your foot you begin to brake - whether you intended that or not. As explained very nicely by @Bognar67 efficiency is similar to Tesla regeneration. My Taycan is of similar size and weight to my previous P85D. Wh/mi across a broad spectrum is virtually identical; overall range is actually better in the Taycan because of the larger battery. So the "one pedal driving" and the "coasting" get you to the same result in terms of driving efficiency / regeneration. If anything, the Taycan is at a disadvantage in my winter testing - I refused to pay an arm and a kidney for the Porsche winter set and use aftermarket wheels that are aerodynamically inefficient (3-5% penalty).

Does someone know if the car is more efficient with regen on or off in the Taycan? I have no idea, and just leave regen I’m auto right now. Why would someone choose one over the other?

 

[Helixer]

There is no “mythical person”, but there are some real people. The modus operandi is to ignore the obvious and incontrovertible merits of another vehicle while pointing out equally obvious inferior points vis-a-vis Porsche. Reasonably common commentary on car forums. Surprised this has escaped your notice, lol. By way of example, ignoring superior software, acceleration, innovation, and value while focusing on handling, interior quality, and prestige. All very valid points; all worthy of mention.

 

[Jhenson29]

Does someone know if the car is more efficient with regen on or off in the Taycan? I have no idea, and just leave regen I’m auto right now. Why would someone choose one over the other?

More efficient with overrun recup off.
Overrun recup settings are for driving dynamics.

See this post.

https://www.taycanforum.com/forum/threads/recuperation-modes.5718/#post-79271

 

[whitex]

Here you go:

• One pedal driving:
  • in the beginning you will miss it. After a while you realize the Porsche coasting is better. I hate when switching to Sport it engages a low level regen, have to disable it every time

It is worth mentioning that Porsche max regen is about 5x of what Tesla's max regen is, meaning overall less wear on the physical brakes. Also, with blending, the feel of the brake pedal, and therefore driving experience, is more consistent regardless of the state of the battery (too cold, too full, too hot). The last one is a pet peeve of mine when it comes to Tesla one pedal driving, especially evident in the winter when starting with a cold battery and there is little to no regen.

Full disclosure: I have been driving Model S'es since 2013. Switching to Taycan whenever Porsche manages to sell me a car (coming up on 6 months waiting, not even an allocation yet). My Tacyan hands on experience limited to test drives of few trim levels. Tesla hands on experience, 8 years and 4 Model S's, also different trim levels (but no Plaid experience, stopped at Ludicrous). Outside of hands-on, I have done a lot of research on both, from various sources.

 

[Jhenson29]

There is no “mythical person”, but there are some real people. The modus operandi is to ignore the obvious and incontrovertible merits of another vehicle while pointing out equally obvious inferior points vis-a-vis Porsche. Reasonably common commentary on car forums. Surprised this has escaped your notice, lol. By way of example, ignoring superior software, acceleration, innovation, and value while focusing on handling, interior quality, and prestige. All very valid points; all worthy of mention.

Hmm. I see people do that with both cars. In either case, I assume they prioritize those attributes. I don’t assume they’re trying to justify their decisions to themselves (or whatever you mean by “bootstrap their decision”). Maybe your assumptions say more about you than them?

Personally, a car purchase is more emotional and can’t be compared on paper so easily. Tesla makes me sad. Porsche makes me happy. ?‍Seems like I should buy the Porsche. I’m not sure if matters what the acceleration, technology, or value of the Tesla is. Note that I really mean the Porsche makes me happy, which is different than saying I’m happy with the car (which I also am).

If someone else feels opposite, seems like they should get the Tesla.

If someone is just buying by comparing specs on paper, well, that’s how I buy refrigerators. I guess, tally your marks and make your purchase. ?‍

If both cars make you happy (not “you’d be happy with either car”, but really saying either car is an equal source of joy), then I feel bad for you. You have a difficult decision.

 

[Fitz]

I have had a number of BMW M cars and big petrol cars. My last Car was a M3P and I sold it and ordered a Taycan 4s. The Taycan is slower on paper but not in actual driving.

The model 3 is a wonder of technology. Its logical, it all worked well. Its fast. But it grows boring. Tesla do everything in their power to shield you from having to interact with the car. The car does nothing to entice you to drive fast. If anything you get into a more sedate type of driving. Sure there is straight line speed, but that grows old pretty quickly. Also the M3P performance degrades quickly with decreasing charge levels, and I found below 70% it was fairly ordinary.

The interior of the Tesla is kinda cool at first, so minimal. But after you sit in it for a few thousand km you realise its a fairly cheap place. Somebody else described like IKEA furniture, cool design, cheap execution. I have no problems with build quality, it just was not luxury.

It all depends on what you want and what you are coming from. I really have nothing bad to say about tesla. They do exactly what they say on the tin. They have democratised performance. I think a lot of the time Tesla owners are evangelical about them. Often their new tesla is the best car they have ever purchased, and they mistake that for it being the best car in the world. They also focus on panel gaps and other issues like children that dont know this effects all manufacturers. (I had a 997.1 so I know about build quality issues let me tell you)

The Taycan has one major advantage. It looks great and its more uncommon. Where I live every second car is a model 3 or model S, and if you choose the performance variant, there is little to show you forked out the extra cash. The Porsche is a lot more configurable to your individual taste (albeit at a price).

I have not taken delivery of the Porsche yet (Jan 22 - its already built and in transit). But my level of excitement is far greater than it was with the tesla. I feel like I am getting back into cars, the tesla made me fell like I was out.

 

[svp6]

Does someone know if the car is more efficient with regen on or off in the Taycan? I have no idea, and just leave regen I’m auto right now. Why would someone choose one over the other?

Regeneration never recovers 100% of energy - that is the reason Porsche gave for choosing coasting instead of regenerating when you lift your foot off the pedal.

 

[feye]

Be polite man! Do not do this "fanboy fantasy" stuff please.

Could you be so polite and write a few less messages about T in this Porsche Taycan forum?

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