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I purchased a fully loaded Jet Black 4S in late July and had it shipped from Virginia. Upon its arrival, it had a coolant leak due to an improper jack position, resulting in a burst pipe. $58K later, I received a new J1.2 battery pack and an insurance claim against the shipper. The vehicle arrived with a Turbo GT emblem, and I began to explore the cost of upgrading to a Turbo GT feature by feature.



Rear: The only difference I can appreciate in the rear is the two non-functional vents to the turbo-style rear bumper. This seems like an easy graft, not even requiring new paint for around $1,000. A Weissach “style” fixed wing can easily be had for under $500, with many knock-offs being under $200, which I will paint to match. I am a fan of the look of carbon fiber. I am also not a fan of fixed-wing support and drilling holes into the trunk to mount them. I am leaning towards a more active aerodynamics with an active 911.1 Turbo style raising wing (although the 922.2 air brake feature is interesting), for $2,000 which would come through the existing wing which would remain in a fixed closed position with modification and paint for $1,250 to $1,500.



Front: Cosmetically, the facelift is most apparent in the front bumper cover, which can be replaced with a Trubo J1.2 front bumper cover for $1,400 plus potentially some tweaking given the different sensor locations. The two turbo inserts (4 total) will cost $1,500, and a turbo front spoiler will cost $1,000. I intend to keep the J1 fenders that are more aggressive than the more tapered J1.2. I will upgrade from the current LED Matrix headlights by using its single projector, but placing it in a J1.2 housing at a cost of around $1,500. Paint and modifications will cost an additional $1,500.



Wheels and brakes: I already have 21” Carbon Fiber Areostyle wheels, which are already Turbo GT appropriate, but I will take the opportunity to protect the leading carbon blades by applying glossy black PPF for $900 to $1,200. The most expensive single upgrade will require the purchase of a used salvaged PCCB rotors and calipers at around $9,000. Because Taycans rely heavily on regenerative braking, even the purchase of used rotors should last the life of the vehicle. I am leaning towards keeping the classic yellow calipers, although the Turbo GT black might be more appropriate.

Interior: There are not many distinctive changes between the J.1 and J1.2; however, three main distinctive features make it a Turbo GT. The first is signage at the door sills, and the Taycan insert above the center screen with “Turbo GT” is slightly off-white lettering. I purchased carbon fiber sill overlays for the sills for $150, which will be wrapped in matte black, matching the existing plastic, with off-white lettering applied on top and covered with clear PPF to protect the sills from scuff marks. Similarly, the small rectangle will receive the same treatment, all for $750. The only remaining distinctive change will require the addition of he paddle shifters currently unique to the Turbo GT. I anticipate grafting the paddle shifters onto the existing steering wheel, leaving the change non-functional for $500. I am hopeful that one day, push to pass or Attack mode in a GT using the right paddle might be an option, but it seems very unlikely without an inventive tuner. With the addition of a raising wing further limiting the view of the rear view mirror, a rear view mirror dashcam with a rear camera will replace the view with a 2K LCD monitor, as well as function as a front and rear dash cam for $300.


Tuning: While there is no way to increase available horsepower to match the 1,000+ Turbo GT without fitting a Turbo motor, inverter, etc. Tuners do offer a modest 100 to 140 HP tuning boost for $1,500 - $2,000. To date, no tuner has offered the boost as available on demand (like push-to-pass), but it would be an interesting option. Volkswagen already provides an upgrade to remove the limits on its upgraded battery pack, and I hope that Porsche similarly offers the upgrade at a reasonable price.



The cost of the conversion is approximately $23,000. The net cost will be less, as most of the existing parts, like the glacial blue headlights and rear reflector, front bumper cover, brakes, etc., might generate as much as $6,800 in savings, bringing the build to $16,200. There are at best 400 Turbo GTs that will be produced yearly, with a list price of over $250,000 with similar options. An expenditure of $16,200 to more than double the perceived value of a 2023 4S to a 2025 Turbo GT appears to be a somewhat reasonable investment. As I step into this project, I can only hope that forum members will chime in on each feature upgrade.
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The Turbo GT battery is the same as all J1.2 performance batteries.
This is not what makes the Turbo GT different.

Here is what makes a Turbo GT different than a J1.1 4s

Front inverter:
4s 300amp - TGT 600amp

Rear Motor:
TGT has a different rear motor than any other Taycan

Rear Inverter:
900amp SiC that no other Taycan has.

Aero front and rear
Rear defuser
Porsche Active Ride
Lighter brake calipers (trivial)

There are a few components unique on. Turbo GT compared to a J1.2 Taycan 4, but there is a $100k premium on those for a Turbo GT

Upgrading the 4S is a requirement. You can get the 60-130mph similar to a stock J1.1 Turbo S from a roll.

The data is on here to show all the hard facts on how much horse power you can get from any Taycan variant.
These are the max capabilities.
 
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I had not explored a different rear diffuser but it should be on the list.

As upgrading the rear motor to a J1 Turbo S. It is always a possibility as as prices go down over the next few years I purchased a 4S because it was the best bang for the buck. I had seen the YouTube videos of people exploring a turbo GT launch they claimed it was quite painful.. I am well aware that Porsche decided to use a strip of road on Pacific Coast Highway not far from my Malibu Beach house that burn down in the fires earlier this year that road was closed. It’s usually bumper-to-bumper and that’s the point it was better to buy a for us and imagine it was a turbo GT but there is nowhere in Los Angeles for someone to actually drive a turbo GT to its limits.

The forest came with the performance package, including air suspension. I am simply unable to justify the cost of moving to an active ride involving hydraulics.
 

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@Alib , can I ask what your end goal is? Same performing car as Taycan Turbo GT, or same looking car as Taycan Turbo GT, or both?
 
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Wicked.com who I reached out to purchase a 992.2 wing lift assembly which I was quoted $15,000 to purchase with a 991.2 lift assembly at $10,000 which I can purchase for $2,000. I am intrigued with the air brake available on a 992.2 turbo S and if I could pick it up for 1/5 the price of at $3,000, I certainly would do so. If I could pick one up, I would keep the Turbo wing with its advanced aerodynamics and just extend the wing tips down to mimic the Weissach wing.

Wicked makes a living by converting 991 and 992.2 turbos into GTRSs. Why would someone who just purchased a brand new 992.2 turbo S convert? Because even buyers who spend a quarter of $1 million can’t afford to justify spending a half of $1 million on the GTRS. They know they’re driving a turbo S but everyone sees a GTRS racing down the roadway. Those cars sell for significantly more than what they cost their buyers showing that demand is high even for a knock-off.

They’re just are not very many turbo GT‘s cons on the road for anyone to question the authenticity of a modified 4S. I did not go for the Weissac front and rear sboilers. They come in the Weissach edition because they’re too flashy and over the top. I went for a more conservative look because it’s a believable daily driver.
 
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I’m really looking forward to seeing more of this!

From an engineering perspective, the difference between the Taycan Turbo and a 4S isn’t all that dramatic—especially compared to what we’re used to with ICE cars.
My guess is that a big part of the “Turbo” premium comes down to marketing.
On the conversion side, a pair of second-hand motors can be picked up for around €10k, plus another €5k for bodywork.


If you were to go with new OEM units, the front motor alone runs about €23k and the rear around €14k.
 


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I’m really looking forward to seeing more of this!

From an engineering perspective, the difference between the Taycan Turbo and a 4S isn’t all that dramatic—especially compared to what we’re used to with ICE cars.
My guess is that a big part of the “Turbo” premium comes down to marketing.
On the conversion side, a pair of second-hand motors can be picked up for around €10k, plus another €5k for bodywork.


If you were to go with new OEM units, the front motor alone runs about €23k and the rear around €14k.
You can't just plug in a new inverter or a new different motor into a a Taycan.
It requires software compatibility and programming.

I had a friend try and put a 600amp inverter in his upgraded RS E-Tron GT (it's a Taycan Turbo) so it can have the same 0-60 as a Turbo S.
The project went nowhere due to software compatibility.

Turbo Gt is probably 30% marketing cost. If you add up all the parts you will see where the true cost comes in
 

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Honestly this doesnt make much sense for me too. Visually they arent really much different, but under the hood its the same 4s

I'd rather work on adding whats missing on your 4s instead of trying to fake it into TGT. For ex. I retrofitted burmester, activated matrix headlights, now adding sport+ mode(my 4s didnt have it), probably next - rear steering rack unless my Panamera project arrive earlier
 
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As with the ICE Porsches, the trim levels in each model involves lots of small changes or differences. You can easily add HP to all of them but that isn’t what makes them what they are. It’s the combo of many small things that gives them certain driving characteristics. It is those characteristics that makes an S, GTS or Turbo, etc. Picking and choosing from the parts bin will almost always fall short….on the other hand, that approach is enough for some. Choose your adventure…
 
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I have certainly thought of purchasing a salvaged J1 Turbo S from Coparts . They usually go for $40-$50K. I could swap out motors, inverters, etc. along with PCCB and re Sell for $25-$40K. As more Taycans age and owners start totaling more of these cars, the price will come down.

Software upgrades are always a problem. I wanted to use HD matrix headlights but in order to use them I would have to purchase J1 version that was available in 2024 get a software upgrade and then use a J1.2 housing. Even though the harnessing is the same because Porsche will not authorize retrofitting a J1.2 headlight to a J1 vehicle. Likewise, a simple software update could unlock my J1.2 battery pack’s full potential but absent a (possible upgrade) purchase, Porsche will never authorize it.

RCrazymind, what bodywork is involved in the swap?
 
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I have certainly thought of purchasing a salvaged J1 Turbo S from Coparts . They usually go for $40-$50K. I could swap out motors, inverters, etc. along with PCCB and re Sell for $25-$40K. As more Taycans age and owners start totaling more of these cars, the price will come down.

Software upgrades are always a problem. I wanted to use HD matrix headlights but in order to use them I would have to purchase J1 version that was available in 2024 get a software upgrade and then use a J1.2 housing. Even though the harnessing is the same because Porsche will not authorize retrofitting a J1.2 headlight to a J1 vehicle. Likewise, a simple software update could unlock my J1.2 battery pack’s full potential but absent a (possible upgrade) purchase, Porsche will never authorize it.

RCrazymind, what bodywork is involved in the swap?
you can have matrix lights on J1. I do have matrix lights on my 2020 4s
 
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alex_bell, I too have Matrix headlights, I want the HD-Matrix which Porsche offered as an option MY2024 for the J1, then convert to J1.2 using the 4 projector J1.2 housing. There aren’t very many J1 HD Matrix headlights so it’s all retai, the conversion is over $10K.
 

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alex_bell, I too have Matrix headlights, I want the HD-Matrix which Porsche offered as an option MY2024 for the J1, then convert to J1.2 using the 4 projector J1.2 housing. There aren’t very many J1 HD Matrix headlights so it’s all retai, the conversion is over $10K.
there's only 1 type of matrix lights for taycan. In US - they can be installed physically but its working as regular LED due to some law restrictions and AFAIK they weren't changed on j1.2
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