New Cayenne EV impact on Taycan Values

[Gino]

Handling, it definitely handles better than an audi platform and a SUV body, despite what Macan EVs might claim.

But most people buying a 4 door car don't give a rats ass about handling

Makes you wonder what the fk is so expensive in the taycan, that a taycan turbo/s is 250k; with smaller battery, weaker older motors, weaker inveters, outdated computers, software from the antiquity times, shit interior space... and still a Cayenne turbo with better everything technology wise, is cheaper.

I doubt the taycan turbo s costs 250k to make and a cayenne turbo costs 160k. Likely they both cost closer to 120k

I suspect porsache put a +100k on taycans to cover platform development costs, and while using the audi platform for the cayenne, they simply didn't have to put a +100k. Otherwise it makes no sense how they improved tech in 1-2 years quite a bit (even compared to taycan GT), while reducing the cost by 100k+ apparently.

Porsche counts on a select group of buyers who will pay a huge premium to get the best of the best performance at that $250k number but that doesn’t translate to used high end Taycans. I wouldn’t pay that same huge premium for a CPO Taycan Turbo. That’s why I bought a nicely equipped Taycan RWD CPO with the standard battery.
I could care less about the range since I have 2 other vehicles for completely different purposes. My H2 Hummer blows away the Cayenne or Macan EVs because I need storage space and the ability to drive over anything. My Airstream Mercedes Sprinter van is for long trips & weekend camping which the Cayenne & Macan would be completely insufficient for. I could care less about how fast my H2 or Sprinter goes. I could care less about depreciation or fuel efficiency on these specialty vehicles which only get driven 2500 to 3500 miles per year.
Regarding my Taycan, I bought it knowing I will never sell it so depreciation is of no concern to me which was why I bought the CPO after a $30K drop in price from sticker.
The Taycan is the most beautiful sports sedan ever built for less than $80K CPO.
Macans & Taycans are for people looking to combine uses of multiple vehicles in one platform. I could care less.
My next vehicle (without selling any of my existing vehicles) will likely be a 911 convertible which gives me enough interior space in a sports car and the convertible top I miss since my Boxster got t-boned in 2021.
Again, I will buy a CPO since I won’t drive it more than 4000 miles a year and more likely 2500 when I have both the Taycan & an ICE 911. It won’t be a turbo. I won’t pay the premium for a turbo when the base is plenty fast enough.
If I had all the money in the world burning a hole in my pocket then maybe I might splurge and pay the ridiculous premium Porsche puts on it’s turbos but the fact I will never put more than 50K miles on any Porsche over 20 years I would likely still buy a fully depreciated CPO than feel taken advantage of by Porsche or any other vehicle maker. I remember the days of the ADMUs (Additional Dealer Mark Ups) which were charged to people who just couldn’t wait to get a limited availability vehicle so they pay crazy premiums to get a depreciating asset.
I don’t waste money on ADMUs or grossly inflated list prices which are insulting to me. I’d rather give the premium to a charity than Porsche just so I could shave a second or two off my zero to 60.
My only concerns on my Taycan are “How long will the battery last?” & “What will it cost to replace the battery?” Both of these questions will be answered in due time before my extended warranty ends in 2030. I doubt Porsche or third party battery service centers will price battery replacements so high that these gorgeous Taycans will be considered a disposable worthless asset after 8 years. Batteries will cost less than $20K to replace in 2030 which I will gladly pay to get another 8 years guaranteed and likely 12-15 years where my Taycan in Southern California will still look perfect. I have friends with 40+ year old 911s that are perfect and I doubt Porsche will allow their Taycan or their EVs in general to not stand the test of time. If they do stop supporting them the Porsche will be done & finished as a premium brand.

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[69Mach390]

That's just not true.
Porsche plays difficult with allocation on certain 911s, and did so with taycans during covid, and are still doing with Macan EVs - and they for sure will pull the same shit with the Cayennes, when they release next June

Building and selling a limited supply is different than what was suggested- that they build a bunch of cars and have them sit somewhere for a year before releasing them to dealers.

 

[cometguy]

I need some ground clearance, which is why I have a Cross Turismo. I had two low-slung Panameras previously, and I kept scraping bottom on driveway dips and on speed bumps (despite having air suspension and lift modes on both); this hasn't happened once yet in my Cross Turismo. The Cayenne EV looks better (exterior) to the Cayenne ICEV -- but nowhere near as nice as the Taycan, of course.

What the Cayenne EV has that my Taycan doesn't have, which attract me, are: even better ground clearance; I can get an all-metal roof here in the US; normal door handles; much better range (50% better, roughly, at 70 mph); faster DCFC charging speeds; can get a heated windshield; more storage capacity behind the front seat and more rear-seat legroom; much better cockpit, in three ways (better screens, better front-seat storage design, and physical controls for climate controls); better visibility via larger side mirrors and out larger rear window; dual sun visors for both front-seat occupants.

The two biggest things that I don't like (other than the exterior appearance and presumed worse handling) concern charging in the Cayenne EV: an electronic-only charge-port door; and the NACS-only fast-charging port (as a road-tripper, I find far more plentiful CCS stations than NACS stations currently, meaning I'll need to use a NACS-to-CCS adapter more often than not, based on my travels across 17 states this year -- though this could change 3-5 years from now). I wish that Porsche put a CCS port on one side and a NACS port on the other side in the Cayenne EV (they have only a J1772 port on the passenger side, and NACS on the driver side).

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