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Do you know for sure the dampers are the same and the base charge pressure in the air system is the same?

The dampers are stiffer and the stability control is recalibrated with higher thresholds. Apparently the drive modes are calibrated differently too.

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Apart from the different suspension settings and the different calibration of the rear wheel steering, amongst other things?

Rear Steering is an option on 4S and GTS

No, suspension setting and RAS are important too. Adding bigger wheels doesn't make a car sportier.

Rear Steering is an option on 4S and GTS

I think you mentioned ‘sportier handling’ hence the 21in wheel point, wider lower profile tyres on 21 provide this. I found 20in wheels rather lacking in comparison.

I think you’ve flogged this horse to death now… I’m merely presenting a real life alternative view. Over and out!

 

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I think you mentioned ‘sportier handling’ hence the 21in wheel point, wider lower profile tyres on 21 provide this. I found 20in wheels rather lacking in comparison.

I think you’ve flogged this horse to death now… I’m merely presenting a real life alternative view. Over and out!

The GTS comes on 20" as standard. Larger wheels and hence tyres provide more grip but not necessarily sportier handling. The OP will be happy whichever car he buys and will need to decide what his priorities are.

 

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The GTS comes on 20" as standard. Larger wheels and hence tyres provide more grip but not necessarily sportier handling. The OP will be happy whichever car he buys and will need to decide what his priorities are.

Wider lower profile tyres generally provide Sportier handling. This discussion is a bit like Brexit… no one likes to admit they were wrong but ultimately the reality of a faux choice sinks in…

 

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The dampers are stiffer and the stability control is recalibrated with higher thresholds. Apparently the drive modes are calibrated differently too.

The damper settings and the 3 rates the air suspension can have are all set by the controller depending on how it is programmed. I suspect the base pressures in the air suspension (which, along with volume, control the spring rate) are just a controller programme issue. If the dampers are the same ones that also means all the suspension settings are in the controller.
If the dampers are GTS specific the other models can not be made the same by programming, not that I can see that being a good idea, personally.

I chose the Cross Turismo for the extra 20mm of bump travel giving a better ride and sports + being plenty sporty enough for me - 99% of the time normal is best on the crap roads around here.

 

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Wider lower profile tyres generally provide Sportier handling. This discussion is a bit like Brexit… no one likes to admit they were wrong but ultimately the reality of a faux choice sinks in…

The information provided by Porsche and the numerous reviews linked above supports my choice, given my preferences. You made a different choice with different considerations, which is also fine.

 

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The information provided by Porsche and the numerous reviews linked above supports my choice, given my preferences. You made a different choice with different considerations, which is also fine.

Of course.. my point to the OP is to seriously consider what Taycan you buy and what options you want/need. Porsche are very good at up selling and often it’s dead money being spent on very marginal or unquantifiable differences. Just take the badges off and no one will notice or quite frankly care if it’s an S or GTS.

 

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Of course.. my point to the OP is to seriously consider what Taycan you buy and what options you want/need. Porsche are very good at up selling and often it’s dead money being spent on very marginal or unquantifiable differences. Just take the badges off and no one will notice or quite frankly care if it’s an S or GTS.

I don't agree.

I do not, and never have, bought a car for people to notice what it is. I choose what I want.

I considered a GTS Sport Turismo when my order for a 4S Cross Turismo was no longer allowed to have matrix lights.
Generally speaking I preferred the styling details but preferred other things about the CT4S which was the sweet spot for me.

I am not sure how many customers can genuinely exploit any difference in handling or grip, unless they do track days, and even then most won't be that near the limit most of the time IME.

 

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I don't agree.

I do not, and never have, bought a car for people to notice what it is. I choose what I want.

I considered a GTS Sport Turismo when my order for a 4S Cross Turismo was no longer allowed to have matrix lights.
Generally speaking I preferred the styling details but preferred other things about the CT4S which was the sweet spot for me.

I am not sure how many customers can genuinely exploit any difference in handling or grip, unless they do track days, and even then most won't be that near the limit most of the time IME.

What don’t you agree with? I don’t think most people will know the difference or feel much difference between ST/ CT S /GTS.. the sweet spot for me like you is the CT4S but prefer the sharper sportier handling of 21in CT wheels and they fill out the arches nicely too!

 

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What don’t you agree with?

Your implication that everybody buys a car so people notice which model they have.
I also disagree they are more or less all the same, but realise 99.9% of drivers wouldn't be actually able to tell the difference, even though quite a few will be sure they do.

21" wheels have more grip and a poorer ride. I wouldn't believe any handling difference would be noticed on anything other than a track, though the worse ride may make it feel that way.

The launch will probably be quicker though, if you ever do it.

 

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Your implication that everybody buys a car so people notice which model they have.
I also disagree they are more or less all the same, but realise 99.9% of drivers wouldn't be actually able to tell the difference, even though quite a few will be sure they do.

21" wheels have more grip and a poorer ride. I wouldn't believe any handling difference would be noticed on anything other than a track, though the worse ride may make it feel that way.

The launch will probably be quicker though, if you ever do it.

Definitely not suggesting people buy a car to be noticed just most will not know the subtle differences .. I have experienced 21 and 20 variants and was not impressed with 20 on and off track and ride quality is still fine… in my opinion. Took CT4S round Silverstone on 20s and was unimpressed and validated on the road.

 

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Your implication that everybody buys a car so people notice which model they have.
I also disagree they are more or less all the same, but realise 99.9% of drivers wouldn't be actually able to tell the difference, even though quite a few will be sure they do.

21" wheels have more grip and a poorer ride. I wouldn't believe any handling difference would be noticed on anything other than a track, though the worse ride may make it feel that way.

The launch will probably be quicker though, if you ever do it.

I do struggle a little with the idea that these suspension set-up changes make little (noticeable) positive benefit for handling in day-to-day driving, but do have a significant detriment in other areas e.g. ride! Wheels are a slightly different story, but will also be linked to the tyre construction as well as the tyre size.

My (limited to date) experience of the 4S v GTS was that the benefits in (very) slightly tauter body control outweighed the (very) slightly harsher ride. However, that's coming from an RS4 and a GT3 and thereby being very familiar with a firm ride and stiff suspension.

 

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I have experienced 21 and 20 variants and was not impressed with 20 on and off track and ride quality is still fine…

I have both 20s and 21s for my CT4S and I like the styling of the 21" Cross Turismo wheels, almost the only Taycan wheels I actually like rather than can tolerate, but I do find the ride irritatingly worse, and did on demo - the first demo car was on 20s and I was impressed by the ride, the second on 21s and it was markedly inferior.

You are lucky if you find the 21" ride "fine", it is sort of acceptable, and I probably wouldn't complain as much if I hadn't so much experience of both.

 

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I have both 20s and 21s for my CT4S and I like the styling of the 21" Cross Yurismo wheels, almost the only Taycan wheels I actually like rather than can tolerate, but i find the ride irritatingly worse, and di on demo - the first demo car was on 20s and I was impressed by the ride, the second on 21s and it was markedly inferior.

You are lucky if you find the 21" ride "fine", it is sort of acceptable, and I probably wouldn't complain as much if I hadn't so much experience of both.

Out of interest, were both sets of wheels on the same types of tyres?

 

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I have both 20s and 21s for my CT4S and I like the styling of the 21" Cross Yurismo wheels, almost the only Taycan wheels I actually like rather than can tolerate, but i find the ride irritatingly worse, and di on demo - the first demo car was on 20s and I was impressed by the ride, the second on 21s and it was markedly inferior.

You are lucky if you find the 21" ride "fine", it is sort of acceptable, and I probably wouldn't complain as much if I hadn't so much experience of both.

I’ve had experience of both 20 and 21 on Taycan and coming from S7 and RS4 Audis am very happy with the ride on 21’s.. wonder if tyres make a difference. All my 21 experience has been P Zero which are a soft compound.

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