Realistic negotiation on used Taycans?

[Frsc]

I’ve been looking at used Taycans for a while (Turismo/Cross) and was wondering how much room there is for negotiation.

Usually OPCs and even independents won’t budge much on Porsches, but I’m not sure if the same is true for the EVs.

Im looking at 5 seater Turismo/Cross, ~3 years old. If it’s via an independent id prefer in warranty so I can easily extend, OPC ofcourse that wont matter. I only do ~2k/year so dont mind higher mileage. Pretty flexible on option:

1) Preferably Bigger battery. Purely for future proofing.
2) Kids would like Pano Roof.
3) Folding mirrors (Live in London, should really be standard on a car this size).
4) Surround View would be nice (useful on my Cayenne).

Given the mileage I do I’m not bothered about the rest. RWD is fine and I may even prefer it. Ofcourse if there’s only a couple of K in it I’d grab a higher specd one.

So back to my original question, where have people been putting their offers with success? From searches on AT, 22 regs seem to be starting around ~£45k at indis and ~£50k at OPCs. But there aren’t as many of the hatches as the saloons so dont want to annoy dealers with unrealistic offers.

The other option I’m considering is the Macan which looks like it’s starting to drop now. But ideally want to get back to a low slung car now the kids are older.

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[Frsc]

On a side note I see Porsche have finally given in on battery capacity:

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Battery capacity​

You will receive the latest information on the remaining battery capacity directly from the dealer.​

That’s on the Porsche Used site now. When I first looked at these the OPCs were very evasive on residual capacity/health. Not a single one got back to me when I requested this info. One of the reasons I didn’t end up pulling the trigger in all this time.

 

[W1NGE]

I’ve been looking at used Taycans for a while (Turismo/Cross) and was wondering how much room there is for negotiation.

Usually OPCs and even independents won’t budge much on Porsches, but I’m not sure if the same is true for the EVs.

Im looking at 5 seater Turismo/Cross, ~3 years old. If it’s via an independent id prefer in warranty so I can easily extend, OPC ofcourse that wont matter. I only do ~2k/year so dont mind higher mileage. Pretty flexible on option:

1) Preferably Bigger battery. Purely for future proofing.
2) Kids would like Pano Roof.
3) Folding mirrors (Live in London, should really be standard on a car this size).
4) Surround View would be nice (useful on my Cayenne).

Given the mileage I do I’m not bothered about the rest. RWD is fine and I may even prefer it. Ofcourse if there’s only a couple of K in it I’d grab a higher specd one.

So back to my original question, where have people been putting their offers with success? From searches on AT, 22 regs seem to be starting around ~£45k at indis and ~£50k at OPCs. But there aren’t as many of the hatches as the saloons so dont want to annoy dealers with unrealistic offers.

The other option I’m considering is the Macan which looks like it’s starting to drop now. But ideally want to get back to a low slung car now the kids are older.

Get the highest spec you can for your budget and I would advocate AWD (dual motors) as these cars are awesome in bad weather including snow. RWD only made an appearance to help with list pricing IMHO.

Pano roof is great (fixed so doesn't open) but in summer will cook the interior of the car - positive is lots of light.

Folding mirrors (and dimming) are now standard of course but ensure you get one that has this along with either 14-way Comfort of 18-way Sport seats - bundles these options along with memory package and electric steering column adjustment.

Surround view I would say is "essential" but 3D not. Really helps to avoid kerbing wheels so better to have than not. Not sure what vintage your Cayenne is but the Taycan one may be better (you get a solid blue line to mark the kerbs) - I have it in my Macan ICE and it isn't as good as my MY23 Taycan was (my 992 has 3D which is better again (sensors catch the kerb) but I didn't option it and wouldn't pay extra for the other features it brings).

Performance Battery Plus is "essential" you'll get hammered again come resale as the range is already poor on J1.1 Taycans, notably in winter months.

400V DC to DC converter - ensure you have this as this will allow max charge power at 400V DC EVSEs (otherwise you'll only get half the potential power throughput).

Air suspension - really excellent and combines SmartLift for automatically raising the car at geo tagged locations (speed bump, ramp to driveway) etc.

Battery is warranted for 8 years, 100K miles and 70% of original capacity at that point.

In terms of pricing - personally - I would only purchase from an OPC to ensure I got the gold plated Porsche warranty (it is excellent) and therefore the additional cost will likely pay for itself. That said, make a bold offer for the right car and the ST (again personal preference) over any other (I've had a 4S saloon - boot is restricted - and a GTS ST (perfect) unless you like the plastic cladding of the CT variants.

According to my dealership, Taycans are the most expensive cars to prepare for resale due to the level of touch-up required (painting) in the frontal area and typically they set aside around £9K for making the car look it's best (with warranty). That could be "sheepskin coat" talk but in my experience OPC cars are always turned out exceptionally well.

 

[Frsc]

Get the highest spec you can for your budget and I would advocate AWD (dual motors) as these cars are awesome in bad weather including snow. RWD only made an appearance to help with list pricing IMHO.

Pano roof is great (fixed so doesn't open) but in summer will cook the interior of the car - positive is lots of light.

Folding mirrors (and dimming) are now standard of course but ensure you get one that has this along with either 14-way Comfort of 18-way Sport seats - bundles these options along with memory package and electric steering column adjustment.

Surround view I would say is "essential" but 3D not. Really helps to avoid kerbing wheels so better to have than not. Not sure what vintage your Cayenne is but the Taycan one may be better (you get a solid blue line to mark the kerbs) - I have it in my Macan ICE and it isn't as good as my MY23 Taycan was (my 992 has 3D which is better again (sensors catch the kerb) but I didn't option it and wouldn't pay extra for the other features it brings).

Performance Battery Plus is "essential" you'll get hammered again come resale as the range is already poor on J1.1 Taycans, notably in winter months.

400V DC to DC converter - ensure you have this as this will allow max charge power at 400V DC EVSEs (otherwise you'll only get half the potential power throughput).

Air suspension - really excellent and combines SmartLift for automatically raising the car at geo tagged locations (speed bump, ramp to driveway) etc.

Battery is warranted for 8 years, 100K miles and 70% of original capacity at that point.

In terms of pricing - personally - I would only purchase from an OPC to ensure I got the gold plated Porsche warranty (it is excellent) and therefore the additional cost will likely pay for itself. That said, make a bold offer for the right car and the ST (again personal preference) over any other (I've had a 4S saloon - boot is restricted - and a GTS ST (perfect) unless you like the plastic cladding of the CT variants.

According to my dealership, Taycans are the most expensive cars to prepare for resale due to the level of touch-up required (painting) in the frontal area and typically they set aside around £9K for making the car look it's best (with warranty). That could be "sheepskin coat" talk but in my experience OPC cars are always turned out exceptionally well.

Thanks for the detailed response. My thought process, in the context of 2k annual mileage (3k max if I do a UK break) is:

PB+ - I won’t need it, but as you say selling it in a few years may be a PITA

400V DC to DC converter - I won’t need it, but will it matter come resale?

Air Suspension - I’m not bothered with other then ride height for speed bumps (if possible). When I’ve had it before I’ve always left it on the stiffest setting.

Surround View - My car is an early 9Y, so not self parking. But side view has still saved my alloys, I went for diamond cut which is why I specd SV. It’s also been great for tight gaps (traffic calming). I’ve only had one minor kerbing in several years and that’s because of evasive action when a pedestrian stepped out.

Folding Mirrors - When did they become standard?

In summary the last two are my priorities spec wise. Unfortunately neither seem to be ticked that often

Also given my mileage I think I’m better off prioritising age over mileage. I’m never going to hit the 100k limit even if I buy a 60k mile car, but could hit the 8 year limit if I keep the car for a while. Also I’d have more chance of hitting 70% SoH if I buy a high mileage car and getting a new battery, which I’d presume would help residuals more significantly then anything else?

WRT warranty, if I buy independent I’d ideally want one with existing warranty (under 3y old or active extended warranty). Otherwise I’ll have to arrange and pay for a pre warranty inspection. To justify that there would have to be a big differential in price.

RWD/4WD - Unless the Taycan is compromised in RWD guise I probably prefer RWD cars. But it’s not a deal breaker either way for me. I switched to a Cayenne when I had kids to save my back loading pushchairs/etc. Now the kids are older I have the itch to get back into something that’s low slung and a bit of fun to drive.

 

[prj]

400V DC to DC converter - ensure you have this as this will allow max charge power at 400V DC EVSEs (otherwise you'll only get half the potential power throughput).

This option is called the 150 kW converter, and it gives you 150 kW charge power on 400V DC chargers.
Maximum is 270 kW, and that is available on 800V.
So with this option it charges at roughly half the possible speed.
Without this option you are limited to 50kW on 400V chargers, which is less than a fifth of the maximum speed.

 

[W1NGE]

Sstandard items. On J1.2

Thanks for the detailed response. My thought process, in the context of 2k annual mileage (3k max if I do a UK break) is:

PB+ - I won’t need it, but as you say selling it in a few years may be a PITA

400V DC to DC converter - I won’t need it, but will it matter come resale?

Air Suspension - I’m not bothered with other then ride height for speed bumps (if possible). When I’ve had it before I’ve always left it on the stiffest setting.

Surround View - My car is an early 9Y, so not self parking. But side view has still saved my alloys, I went for diamond cut which is why I specd SV. It’s also been great for tight gaps (traffic calming). I’ve only had one minor kerbing in several years and that’s because of evasive action when a pedestrian stepped out.

Folding Mirrors - When did they become standard?

In summary the last two are my priorities spec wise. Unfortunately neither seem to be ticked that often

Also given my mileage I think I’m better off prioritising age over mileage. I’m never going to hit the 100k limit even if I buy a 60k mile car, but could hit the 8 year limit if I keep the car for a while. Also I’d have more chance of hitting 70% SoH if I buy a high mileage car and getting a new battery, which I’d presume would help residuals more significantly then anything else?

WRT warranty, if I buy independent I’d ideally want one with existing warranty (under 3y old or active extended warranty). Otherwise I’ll have to arrange and pay for a pre warranty inspection. To justify that there would have to be a big differential in price.

RWD/4WD - Unless the Taycan is compromised in RWD guise I probably prefer RWD cars. But it’s not a deal breaker either way for me. I switched to a Cayenne when I had kids to save my back loading pushchairs/etc. Now the kids are older I have the itch to get back into something that’s low slung and a bit of fun to drive.

Standard items on J1.2 along with other kit - LCA, PB+, ambient lighting, power charge port doors.

DC booster option was poorly explained when it was an option (not required on J1.2) - many legacy DC EVSEs of 150kW are 400v and as the Taycan only has a 400v 50kw DC charger you would be limited to this. The booster doubles the voltage to enable native 800v charging up to 150kW is possible. Cheap option at the time.

 

[Frsc]

Sstandard items. On J1.2

Standard items on J1.2 along with other kit - LCA, PB+, ambient lighting, power charge port doors.

DC booster option was poorly explained when it was an option (not required on J1.2) - many legacy DC EVSEs of 150kW are 400v and as the Taycan only has a 400v 50kw DC charger you would be limited to this. The booster doubles the voltage to enable native 800v charging up to 150kW is possible. Cheap option at the time.

Thanks, it’s probably not something I’ll prioritise given I’ll charge at home and not get near running out of juice.

Folding mirrors aren’t going to be standard on the cars I’m looking at then Annoying a lot of cars don’t seem to have that box ticked given the width of the car.

 

[W1NGE]

This option is called the 150 kW converter, and it gives you 150 kW charge power on 400V DC chargers.
Maximum is 270 kW, and that is available on 800V.
So with this option it charges at roughly half the possible speed.
Without this option you are limited to 50kW on 400V chargers, which is less than a fifth of the maximum speed.

150kW Onboard Booster is the actual option name (£295).
Either way it's simply a voltage DC to DC booster.

 

[prj]

150kW Onboard Booster is the actual option name (£295).
Either way it's simply a voltage DC to DC booster.

Yes, just your assessment of charging speeds was incorrect. You will never get full speed on 400V. It just sucks a lot or sucks less.

 

[PhileasFrog]

I got £2k off an OPC but finally went with an independent dealer on a Taycan which still had 1Y warranty (therefore can be extended with Porsche) and all the recalls done under warranty. Hope that helps

 

[Frsc]

I got £2k off an OPC but finally went with an independent dealer on a Taycan which still had 1Y warranty (therefore can be extended with Porsche) and all the recalls done under warranty. Hope that helps

Thanks, that’s helpful. Do you mind me asking how much the OPC had the car up for, so I can get an idea of the %

 

[Frsc]

Also where did you search. Looking on AT the Indi prices aren’t far off OPC for ST/CT once I factor in paying for a 2y warranty.

Ofcourse an Indi might budge on price more.

 

[PhileasFrog]

It was 4% of advertised price so not huge discount to be honest. For search, I used the Porsche website, PistonHeads & AutoTrader

 

[Frsc]

It was 4% of advertised price so not huge discount to be honest. For search, I used the Porsche website, PistonHeads & AutoTrader

Thanks, those are the 3 I’ve been keeping an eye on.

 

[Leccy61]

Took me several months to find my just over 3 year CT Back in March this year. At that age there are loads coming off a lease and have been looked after by OPC etc. Prefer the ST and light colour interior, but had to compromise on something. Based on my experience I would be open minded about OPC, independent even private and focus on price/spec.

The EV indie deal was a good £5k more advantageous including me putting a 2 yr Porsche warranty on it. They were more flexible on their price but also the trade in allowance they gave me for our Tesla. Trade in may not be relevant to you, but OPCs were laughable.

The indie prepped the car well, not £9k worth, but they had the alloys refurbed properly, polished the paintwork and sent it off to their local OPC for outstanding recalls/updates.

We’re not in London but urban enough to value the surround parking and fold in mirrors. The rear wheel steer is also a big help with manoeuvrability plus I wanted bose and innodrive, pano roof etc. Had to be open minded about where I bought it from otherwise I might still be looking!

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