RWD 2025 PBP with launch control - 4.0sec

[Mikesd23]

Have a new my25 RWD with performance battery plus. Thought I’d share this.
Did two benchmark runs of 0-60 with launch control - one with GPS race timer app on ios, one by hand, my son running the stopwatch.

gps race timer automatically registered a 4.0sec 0-60 while my son clocked 4.1 manually, with me even letting off the accelator a little on the top end.

clearly underpromise/overdeliver is working here.

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[SergeyIndy]

This is pretty impressive given marketing materials state 4.8 sec from 0 - 62mph (100kph) and 4.5 sec from 0 - 60 mph while having 30kW less power with PB+ with LC vs. 5.1 sec previous gen 0 to 60 mph from the corp website. I wonder if you could share your SoC, outside temp, tire/wheel setup.


This is showing PB battery Taycan RWD with no net increase in power vs first gen with LC:

This is showing that second gen Taycan RWD has 30kW less power with PB+ with LC:

 

[Mikesd23]

About 62% state of charge,
75 degrees or so, 20inch aero turbo with summer tires.

 

[Mikesd23]

This is pretty impressive given marketing materials state 4.8 sec from 0 - 62mph (100kph) and 4.5 sec from 0 - 60 mph vs. 5.1 previous gen from the website and no net increase in kW power vs. previous gen. I wonder if you could share your SoC, outside temp, tire/wheel setup.

Fwiw that graph seems to show no benefit to launch control available power, if I am reading correctly. I am probably missing the point somewhere, but perhaps sloppy presentation work?

 

[SergeyIndy]

@Mikesd23, my apologies, I revised the notes and the graphs, these are official Porsche presentations, and I am pretty sure they are very accurate in obsessive German kind of way. Actually, your PB+ with LC has 30kW less power vs previous gen, which is the point of my revision, and the only "less" power across the entire new range, which has been pointed out on the forum before. This makes your numbers even more impressive.

 

[Mikesd23]

@Mikesd23, my apologies, I revised the notes and the graphs, these are official Porsche presentations, and I am sure they are very accurate. Actually, your PB+ with LC has 30kW less power vs previous gen, which is the point of my revision.

Right, basically showing no difference in power w/ launch control vs not. Are we sure this isn’t in error? 4s shows 60kw more…

 

[SergeyIndy]

Right, basically showing no difference in power w/ launch control vs not. Are we sure this isn’t in error? 4s shows 60kw more…

The data is showing:

RWD with PB battery: 300kW for both gen 1 and gen 2 with LC

RWD with PB+ battery: gen 2 is +40kw vs. gen 1 without LC
RWD with PB+ battery: gen 2 is -30kw vs. gen 1 with LC <---- this is your setup during measurement run

 

[Mikesd23]

The data is showing:

RWD with PB battery: 300kW for both gen 1 and gen 2 with LC
RWD with PB+ battery: gen 2 is -30kw vs. gen 1 with LC <---- this is your setup

Yes I see exactly that, but it is entirely inconsistent with respect to the rest of the lineup, in that LC vs no LC has no difference in peak power for PBP for rwd. I suspect a possible error barring another explanation…

 

[SergeyIndy]

I am sure we would not mind if you reach out directly to this guy who presented these slides and ask him if there is an error in his slides:

 

[Mikesd23]

I am sure we would not mind if you reach out directly to this guy who presented these slides and ask him if there is an error in his slides:

You should do that and report back, if not an error, an explanation.

i am just naturally skeptical there is either an error or they really want to upsell performance gains from non-rwd models.

 

[Mikesd23]

I mean maybe there is no overperformance here, accounting for reaction time lags that might need to be imposed from start of the run to the end of sample period, especially on the manual. Human reaction time about 250ms.
The app may be leaving out the beginning of the sample where we wait for the car to move.

Still, fast nonetheless.

 

[SergeyIndy]

This is another Porsche source confirming the accuracy of the data in the graphs:

 

[SergeyIndy]

The explanation is that they have optimized the entire second gen package, so even with less raw kW the graphs are showing, second gen is faster from 0 to 60 mph.

 

[Mikesd23]

The explanation is that they have optimized the entire second gen package, so even with less raw kW the graphs are showing, second gen is faster from 0 to 60 mph.

that’s not what my eyes are on, as that’s already a given - it is the point that there is no difference in max power for LC vs no LC for rwd, yet there is a difference for all other models.
Holding that we are just looking at ‘25.

This graph says LC gains are achieved entirely by means other than max kw being higher for just the rwd. Like they are leaving extra peak power entirely off the table.
Maybe it is just the timing of deployed peak power that is altered and that is the explanation, or… maybe an error in common source materials.

 

[d00d]

Yes, must be difference in the powerband curve between non LC and LC, otherwise why include LC mode.

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