Tesla FSD Safety Stats Misleading

[whitex]

This is with their robotaxi fleet in Austin, Houston and Dallas.
Why haven't they released it for all Tesla ? Probably will in time once they get more data as the miles accumulate. As Austin Texas is their first city with their robotaxi fleet, I'm sure they are being extra cautious. Can't predict everything that can go wrong and it would be much easier to correct it before it goes wide release.

Robotaxis are strictly geofenced, only allowed to drive where Tesla has extensively mapped the area and trained the cars. No different with Waymo by the way, they always start a new area with cars driven by humans.

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[whitex]

As far as Tesla taking responsibilities for FSD at at service centers. Their cars drive off from the assembly plant in Texas, drive off by themselves across public highway, and self park in the delivery parking lot. I'm assuming if it got into a collision along the way, then Tesla would take responsibility.

Yes, they trust it in an extremely well controlled and mapped out environment. Apparently the effort to do the same for Service Centers is not worth the effort. Superchargers would be an even more useful scenario, use the supercharger snake (which Elon announced over a decade ago) and valet cars through superchargers to eliminate manual queuing, parking while idle, etc. Again, the system is not capable of this yet.

 

[Zcd1]

Because it's really expensive. At one point it was 15k. When you can get a Tesla for 35k-45k, paying and additional 15k is a no go. That's a 30-40% increase in price. Honestly I'm surprise that the uptake was 20%. I thought it would be 5% or less.

Yes, I’m aware.

My point was that despite the hype and everyone asking whether my Teslas have had FSD, the vast majority of Teslas don’t have it.

It will be interesting to see whether the subscription-only FSD offering that’s now in effect will move that needle…

 

[69Mach390]

This quote did not mention Musk, but others have and some of those had nothing to do Tesla, but rather his politics. That's why it's mention.

Again, there's a lot that Tesla can improve upon in their cars such as more buttons, better door handles, fancier interior. Etc. But a lot of arguments I hear from people that dislike Tesla are talking points, and has no correlation with reality. Most of these people have no first hand experience with Tesla or FSD.

It’s still a distraction and complete fallacy.

Other people don’t like Musk therefore this particular persons argument against FSD has no merit?

That’s completely illogical and NOT worth mentioning.

Same with the argument you keep making about first hand experience with FSD. I do have first hand experience, but that doesn’t matter. You don’t have to try something in order to be able to form an opinion on it.

Drugs are bad, I haven’t tried them. The Yankees suck, I don’t play baseball.

Learning through observation and other people’s experiences is quite a useful skill.

 

[AutoX]

It’s still a distraction and complete fallacy.

Other people don’t like Musk therefore this particular persons argument against FSD has no merit?

That’s completely illogical and NOT worth mentioning.

Same with the argument you keep making about first hand experience with FSD. I do have first hand experience, but that doesn’t matter. You don’t have to try something in order to be able to form an opinion on it.

Drugs are bad, I haven’t tried them. The Yankees suck, I don’t play baseball.

Learning through observation and other people’s experiences is quite a useful skill.

Sure, everyone can have their own opinions. But that doesn't make it true.

"Yankees suck" But they're in first place.
"FSD is dangerous" But it's 3x less likely to get into a collision than the avg driver.

See, you can have an opinion, but that doesn't mean that it's well informed.

 

[69Mach390]

Sure, everyone can have their own opinions. But that doesn't make it true.

"Yankees suck" But they're in first place.
"FSD is dangerous" But it's 3x less likely to get into a collision than the avg driver.

See, you can have an opinion, but that doesn't mean that it's well informed.

You are just racking up the logical fallacies.

Who said it wasn’t safer than the average driver? It wasn’t me. That’s a straw man argument.

We did say Tesla lied about the safety stats….. thus the whole point of this thread.

When the systems are used properly, they are safer.

I can summary my points if it helps:

I think FSD is actually a great system and makes the roads safer.

My problem is that Tesla LIES about the safety and markets it as “full self driving” which it is NOT.

This gives “the average driver” a false sense of security and they end up abusing the systems (driving drunk, thinking it is self driving, not paying attention, using weights to trick it etc).

The fault of the above is mostly on Tesla. Other manufacturers with similar level 2 systems don’t market the same and we don’t see the same abuse.

And who is at the core of this problem? Yeah, it’s their fearless leader. His narcissism bleeds into Tesla marketing. Root cause analysis…… a good product was made worse by a bad leader. So maybe you were on to something when you said it’s because people “don’t like Musk.”

 

[4424]

It's humorous reading all these posts from people who have never used FSD. Especially people who say they don't have to experience it to know how good/bad it is. Those of us who have it and have used it for thousands of miles objectively know much more about it than those who have watched videos or read articles about it. Keep on hating though...

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