Taycan the (front) tyre killer!

[Jackholl0]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

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[Browning]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Really don't like the sound of that as I also have 265/35 ZR21 on the front and 305/30 ZR 21 104Y on the rear maybe consider another make in that size if possible just got my car car 1st March so will keep checking also just got price for spare set same as originals from local garage £265 front and £282 rear after reading post

 

[Jackholl0]

Really don't like the sound of that as I also have 265/35 ZR21 on the front and 305/30 ZR 21 104Y on the rear maybe consider another make in that size if possible just got my car car 1st March so will keep checking also just got price for spare set same as originals from local garage £265 front and £282 rear after reading post

Thanks for your response. Be careful when looking at cheaper alternative tyres! I believe the tyre must have the exact Porsche N rating as a minimum. When I looked at sourcing the exact same tyre through my tyre dealer contact there were precisely 'none' available and none on back order either!!! This was from a national data-base. It's a worry to be sure. I'm no expert in these matters, so all advice is welcome.

 

[Silveral]

Not sure about this. My 4S is at 11,300 miles and all tires show equal wear and probably half way done

 

[Archimedes]

I drive my car like I stole it pretty much every time out in it, but I’ve only been watching my rear tires. This thread’s gonna make me check the fronts now.

My guess is that you have an alignment issue. Where are the tires wearing out? Inside edge, outside edge, or across the entire tire?

 

[Browning]

Really don't like the sound of that as I also have 265/35 ZR21 on the front and 305/30 ZR 21 104Y on the rear maybe consider another make in that size if possible just got my car car 1st March so will keep checking also just got price for spare set same as originals from local garage £265 front and £282 rear after reading post

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Thanks for your response. Be careful when looking at cheaper alternative tyres! I believe the tyre must have the exact Porsche N rating as a minimum. When I looked at sourcing the exact same tyre through my tyre dealer contact there were precisely 'none' available and none on back order either!!! This was from a national data-base. It's a worry to be sure. I'm no expert in these matters, so all advice is welcome.

Agree best keep to originals would you recommend always buying from Porsche dealers or buys from garage and let them fit and balance ? just seems high mark up from prices I was quoted albeit that was tyres only not balancing etc

 

[Browning]

Not sure about this. My 4S is at 11,300 miles and all tires show equal wear and probably half way done

Are the wheels / tyres same as 21 inch ZR21

 

[W1NGE]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Given the AWD nature of the car the tyres should wear pretty evenly and last much longer in normal use.

Perhaps tracking, balance, suspension needs checking?

 

[DerekS]

My rears were toast around 10500 miles. Fronts are still ok.

I have an RWD so the weight distribution is different of course.

 

[Jackholl0]

Given the AWD nature of the car the tyres should wear pretty evenly and last much longer in normal use.

Perhaps tracking, balance, suspension needs checking?

I agree. The tyre wear is even so that rules out the tracking I guess. The suspension is the obvious go to starting point, obvious to all except my Porsche dealer that is. I'm going to have to book it in for yet another close inspection by the service team. More time off the road and in a courtesy car (invariably not a Porsche)!! First World problems I know, but annoying and expensive. I note that nobody on the forum is yet reporting the same issue which tends to reinforce my argument that it is specific to my car and not a wider issue.

 

[Fish Fingers]

Couple of pointers from above posts.

OP did say the tyres were worn evenly.

Am I right in thinking that only the Pirelli's and Contis are currently rated for the Taycan 21" wheels?

Not had Pirellis for years. They used to be like Italian Ice cream. Quite sticky but didn't last long.
Is that still the case?

 

[f1eng]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

That is unusual and indicates a problem, even as big as the car remaining mainly in front wheel drive or something big like that.
Does your car have the monitoring ”tube” for torque sharing so I you can look at how much is going to front and rear?
Mind you that could be monitoring the software request rather than actual torque so it may not tell the whole story but unless your driving style is barrelling into every corner with armfulls of under steer which is a bad way to drive, hugely uneven wear front to rear is a strong indicator of a fault.

Uneven tyre wear is a reliable way of indicating a problem IME.

 

[wurzitup]

What pressures are you running front and rear?

 

[Vercingetorix]

Pirelli tires+cold weather=massive tire wear. It has been my experience that Pirellis are much more comfortable and grippy when the temperatures are above 70 Fahrenheit. My guess is the rears are getting semi warm but maybe the fronts are not.

 

[Dslev]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

I'm at a bit over 6K miles, very little wear, and even wear back to front. I do check my pressure every other week minimum, especially since weather where I live can be 58 degrees high for a few days, then switch to 80+ degrees a few days later. The weather impacts pressure and wear greatly. I have always set pressure (weekly, bi-weekly) before driving in the morning (my car is garaged) so the tires are cold, and use the values on the inside of the drivers door. I've done this with all my Porsches/cars, and my tires have always outlasted dealer/manufacturers expectations. With the higher weight of the Taycan, using the door values is a must, if you use the alternate values for a more "plush" ride in the manual, I believe it causes premature wear as they are actually under inflated in an effort to give you a more forgiving ride.

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