Taycan the (front) tyre killer!

[Canadian204]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Pzero’s are horrid for wear. I find Pirelli in general wears quite quickly. I would suggest switching the tires and going with Michelin PS4S. You will have to change all 4 instead of two but they last longer and are a much better tire to drive on than the Pzero.
Cheers,

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[Cyberslow]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Firstly, I want to point out I am not an expert, but..... I do work with Formula Student as a judge and design mentor for Student built EV racecars. Chronic tyre wear on one axel (where each axcel only has one motor, i.e not motor per wheel) would be to me indicative of the motor speeds (front and rear) not being in sync, this often happens when a motor speed encoder starts to drop the pulses it should be counting and that motor then overspeeds. In this case the tyres on the lightest axel will scrub. There can be a lot reasons for this, encoder issues, electrically noisy wiring etc.

One other cause (and i don't know how your vehicle is optioned) would be mal-functioning torque vectoring (usually a loosely mounted g sensor, in student built cars) causing tempory overspeed of an axcel or individual wheel.

 

[Jackholl0]

P zeros are notoriously soft and burn through them rapidly in many cars Including my 911 turbo S and several of my Ferraris (458, 488GTB and Spider). Unfortunately my incoming F8 will also have them but I generally always swap them out for Michelin's on first change.

Pzero’s are horrid for wear. I find Pirelli in general wears quite quickly. I would suggest switching the tires and going with Michelin PS4S. You will have to change all 4 instead of two but they last longer and are a much better tire to drive on than the Pzero.
Cheers,

Thanks for the recommendation. Today Porsche have agreed to check the car for any obvious defects that may be causing the problem. I shall keep the group posted ?

 

[jheard]

Hi all,

Is anyone else suffering from ridiculous front tyre degradation on their Taycan 4S? I know that I am, in fact I may hold the current record for worse tyre wear to-date! Here are my stats: Pirelli Zero P 265/35 ZR 21 101 Y

Front set replaced at 6008 miles having been condemned as unsafe and dangerous by my Porsche dealer. Rear tyres - barely a mark on them. After a minimum of of research (and a maximum of finger pointing) it was decided (by them) that this was untypical and down to my 'driving style' and the condition of the roads . Hmmm I said, so what you're implying is that by my driving the car on normal roads, at normal speeds this will always be the outcome? No they said, drive carefully within the limits of the vehicle and things will almost certainly improve. But I said, I have had Mercedes high performance cars for the last 10 years and have always managed to get at least 12,000 miles from my tyres, all without the benefit of AWD. My driving style hasn't changed since those times (largely due to range anxiety) so why is it a problem now? We can't comment on that sir, they replied.

Front set due for replacement again at 10,300 miles!!! Rear set - going strong. So having made a conscious effort to maintain the highest driving standards (in light of my earlier shock at finding I have been doing it wrong all these years), the net result is that this set of tyres have fared even worse than the first set. The 4292 miles they have managed is absurd... but not according to my dealer! 'We are seeing this more and more sir' they explained. 'It's all to do with the weight of the car at the front, it's a very heavy car sir as you know'. How many other owners are reporting the same problem I enquired? You know where the front tyres are having to be replaced on average every 5150 miles? 'We have a few issues on this subject that are known to us sir', they responded. And so on......

The upshot is that getting Porsche to admit to a specific problem is like pulling teeth without anaesthetic; painful in the extreme and a last resort.

Here's the serious point. Do any other owners have similar experiences? If so, what reasons have been given as to explain the problem? How have you been treated by your dealer? I have a couple of tyre centre/garage owning contacts and they say they have never seen anything like this on any Porsche model that have been driven reasonably. At £550 a tyre (plus re-balancing) this is starting to get on my nerves, so any help would be appreciated. For the record the wear is even across each tyre.

Many thanks.

Front tyres definitely wear quicker due to weight of car and steering is all on the front tyres unless you have RWS. My fronts were changed at 13k miles and I still have 4mm on rears and have now done 14.5k miles. I drive what you would say is enthusiastically. 21 inch P zero elect Taycan specific tyres are £280 online, plus £15 fitting per corner! Not sure who is quoting you £550!

 

[4EVer]

Pzero’s are horrid for wear. I find Pirelli in general wears quite quickly. I would suggest switching the tires and going with Michelin PS4S. You will have to change all 4 instead of two but they last longer and are a much better tire to drive on than the Pzero.
Cheers,

Agree. My 2021 4S came with Michelins, now 8.5k miles, all four tyres showing minimal wear and no real difference between front to back.

Had a chat yesterday at Ionity Chippenham with a guy who has an 15 month old 4s with 19k miles (13.5k kms for those who can't be bothered to do the math), also on Michelin, and all four were still well legal.

 

[f1eng]

19k miles (13.5k kms for those who can't be bothered to do the math)

? ? ? ?

 

[WattTurbo]

Agree. My 2021 4S came with Michelins, now 8.5k miles, all four tyres showing minimal wear and no real difference between front to back.

Had a chat yesterday at Ionity Chippenham with a guy who has an 15 month old 4s with 19k miles (13.5k kms for those who can't be bothered to do the math), also on Michelin, and all four were still well legal.

Is that math correct?

 

[MrBlueSky]

Is that math correct?

Yes - if I can’t be bothered to do the math (correctly). ?

 

[Archimedes]

In my experience, the PZero Interwebs hate is way overblown. I’ve had them on multiple cars with no issues of excessive wear or noise. Have them on my 4S now and they’re dead quiet and showing no noticeable wear at 2,500 miles. And grip is solid.

 

[4EVer]

Had a chat yesterday at Ionity Chippenham with a guy who has an 15 month old 4s with 19k miles (13.5k kms for those who can't be bothered to do the math), also on Michelin, and all four were still well legal.

Is that math correct?

No! Typo, designed to see if anyone was awake..

19k miles = 30.5k kms

 

[Fish Fingers]

Had a chat yesterday at Ionity Chippenham with a guy who has an 15 month old 4s with 19k miles (13.5k kms for those who can't be bothered to do the math), also on Michelin, and all four were still well legal.

We are going on holiday soon. Any chance you could exchange some currency for us?
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[Fish Fingers]

Pzero’s are horrid for wear. I find Pirelli in general wears quite quickly. I would suggest switching the tires and going with Michelin PS4S. You will have to change all 4 instead of two but they last longer and are a much better tire to drive on than the Pzero.
Cheers,

Do they do Michelin PS4S for the 21" Taycan wheels?
I thought Pirellis and Contis were the only 2 options.

But I may be wrong because:

1. I don't have the 21" wheels.

2. I was once wrong about something else (in 1989).

 

[Docjonday]

Hi no price was from local garage have not asked dealer my thought process just getting a spare set in case going forward with everything going on maybe not available so seriously thinking of buying a set of 20 inch wheels /tyres from dealer as back up plan or am I overreacting ?

Personally, I think you’re overreacting. The Taycan uses a standard P Zero, which can be swapped for a Michelin variant. It’s not a Veyron using bespoke tyres.

 

[f1eng]

Personally, I think you’re overreacting. The Taycan uses a standard P Zero, which can be swapped for a Michelin variant. It’s not a Veyron using bespoke tyres.

I don’t think there are any Porsche EV rated Michelins yet. Tyres for EVs have a construction suited to the torque delivery (very different from and IC engine) and weight, and sometimes quieter so as to not be so intrusive in an inherently quiet car.
I admit that having worked with tyre engineers in racing my preference would generally be Michelin though.

 

[Fish Fingers]

I don’t think there are any Porsche EV rated Michelins yet. Tyres for EVs have a construction suited to the torque delivery (very different from and IC engine) and weight, and sometimes quieter so as to not be so intrusive in an inherently quiet car.
I admit that having worked with tyre engineers in racing my preference would generally be Michelin though.

My 20" Turbo Aero wheels came with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s as standard. NFO rated.

Just don't think they do them in 21"?

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